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Republic Vs Democracy

There is a swedish saying based on a quate from one of our authors:

You can close your eyes to things around you until one day you go straight into them and hit yourself.
 
Juks said:
There is a swedish saying based on a quate from one of our authors:

You can close your eyes to things around you until one day you go straight into them and hit yourself.
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There is a quote from one of Britain's most famous authors:

"“I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.” ― Oscar Wilde.
 
:lol:
 
Rich2018 said:
Does anyone think the the USA is NOT a democracy ?

If so, then why ?
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The U.S. is a constitutional republic. In a democracy if I could get enough people to agree to jail you for anti american posts we could.
 
AlphaOmega said:
The U.S. is a constitutional republic. In a democracy if I could get enough people to agree to jail you for anti american posts we could.
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So you don't recall the House Committee on "Un-American" Activities ?
The Hollywood blacklist ?

"HUAC was created in 1938 to investigate alleged disloyalty and rebel activities on the part of private citizens, public employees and organizations suspected of having Communist ties. Citizens suspected of having ties to the communist party would be tried in a court of law."

House Un-American Activities Committee | Harry S. Truman



There was no government body in say the UK, for "un-British" activities, or Australia for "un-Australian" activities...

But those countries aren't Republics are they ?
 
WillyPete said:
I believe technically we're a republic that chooses it's representatives via democratic elections.

An actual democracy would make policy decisions directly via vote, instead of our representative voting on our behalf. We have a bit of that at the state and local levels, but not at the national level.
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There are 2 kinds of democracy, a direct one and a representative democracy. Both are democracies.
 
Rich2018 said:
So you don't recall the House Committee on "Un-American" Activities ?
The Hollywood blacklist ?

"HUAC was created in 1938 to investigate alleged disloyalty and rebel activities on the part of private citizens, public employees and organizations suspected of having Communist ties. Citizens suspected of having ties to the communist party would be tried in a court of law."

House Un-American Activities Committee | Harry S. Truman



There was no government body in say the UK, for "un-British" activities, or Australia for "un-Australian" activities...

But those countries aren't Republics are they ?
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what about it?
 
Rich2018 said:
Does anyone think the the USA is NOT a democracy ?

If so, then why ?
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Being a Federal democratic republic, we are a democracy in the colloquial sense. But not in the technical sense. In that, we elect our representatives, but we do not directly elect the leadership of the national government. Instead, a College of Electors elect the President. But we, the citizens, do not technically even directly elect the electors either.
 
Felis Leo said:
Being a Federal democratic republic, we are a democracy in the colloquial sense. But not in the technical sense. In that, we elect our representatives, but we do not directly elect the leadership of the national government. Instead, a College of Electors elect the President. But we, the citizens, do not technically even directly elect the electors either.
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The USA, like every (national) democracy on Earth, is a "Representative Democracy", not a "Direct Democracy".
 
Rich2018 said:
Except on a national scale, a direct democracy doesn't exist.
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I agree, it is not an effective way to govern even in a relatively small country like the Netherlands, let alone a juggernaut of a country as the US.
 
Peter King said:
I agree, it is not an effective way to govern even in a relatively small country like the Netherlands, let alone a juggernaut of a country as the US.
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Direct democracy can work for small groups, like a rock band and collective farms like an Israeli Kibbutz.
 
Nothing more toxic than a true democracy, I'd rather have a theocracy or even a Marxist hellhole than a true democracy. In a true Democracy, California would never have legalized gay marriage, instead it went against the will of the ethnic minorities who voted against and legalized on the basis of constitutional individual rights.

In reality tho, even the Republic as it is now is in trouble as too many people are allowed to vote. How anyone who takes more from society than they contribute can vote is bizarre to me. I suppose anyone with a job, or better, anyone who at taxtime paid taxes, any taxes, should have the right to vote, but that's about it. Any politician who argues that people who are on welfare and contribute nothing should vote, is buying votes, which is highly immoral. Naturally, once you're off welfare and working, you get your political voice back, same goes for ex-cons.
 
danielpalos said:
Why can't Persons vote from home over the Internet?
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Security issues I would guess

But I think you're speculating if the digital age can facilitate direct democracy, and IMO it can't

We have a big enough problem getting people to vote once every 4 years as it is

And secondly, you start messing with consensus politics. A government must be allowed to govern, not have every decision subject to approval.
 
Captain Adverse said:
It has never been a "true" democracy, not since it's inception.
It is a Democratic Republic. At state and local levels, most offices are filled by direct election. Then they "represent" those who elected them for a term until the next scheduled election. At the start of this Republic, only Members of the House of Representatives were elected directly. Senators were appointed by State Legislatures, and the President has always been elected by the Electoral College. Still, even with so many offices elected by popular vote, and even if the President were elected that way...our nation would not yet be a TRUE Democracy. In a TRUE Democracy ALL decisions are determined by the votes of ALL citizens each and every time any such decision need be made. Try to imagine 350 million people (much less all the billions on the world) having to vote for every single issue needing to be decided for the "national welfare?"
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True democracy is not voting procedures. In this you are wrong. True democracy is the rule of the state in the interests of the people. This is not right for Trump, the GOP, Congress or Senate. They rule not in the interests of the people, but in the interests of themselves. Election procedures are irrelevant to true democracy. There is no need for 350 million Americans to vote to elect a government. It is more likely that 1 American chooses a better government than 350 million.
 
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