Reparations for Slavery

[joko104]

Re: Slavery was held to be right & just - in the South

The Democratic Party should pay reparations to Donald Trump for their collusion hoax.

 

[Bodi]

Is this stupid topic still going on? No. Reparations to black people is stupid.

 

[PTF]

Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren and some other presidential candidate for president are calling for paying trillions of dollars in reparations to blacks, transgenders, gays and hispanics

No way.
Though I'm in favor for reparations for the New Orleans Saints after the "no call" interference in the NFC Championship Playoffs last year.

 

[Huey Freeman]

Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren and some other presidential candidate for president are calling for paying trillions of dollars in reparations to blacks, transgenders, gays and hispanics. I do not think this is a good idea. What do you think?

They are leaving East Asians out because America is so racist that the minority known as Asians have higher IQs and make more money on average than white people. Yet they are not a minority.

Actually, in regards to Asians, the interred Japanese Americans received reparations. You're welcome.

 

[danarhea]

Why does responsibility matter?

Fact is: intergenerational wealth matters. And that blows your "if you were a slave" out of the water. Let's be intellectually honest.

Yes, let's do be intellectually honest. Today is not the 1850's. Yes, many black Americans have to work a little harder to get ahead, and that is wrong. However, I personally know black bankers, physicists, doctors, and my own representative is black. There is nothing stopping anybody, no matter their ethnicity, race, or religion, from being whatever they want to be. The people in the positions I mentioned were not held in captivity, and therefore are not entitled to what others went through 150 years ago. Bottom line is that you pack your own chute, and you should not expect anybody else to do it for you. On the other hand, my ancestors on my father's side were Scottish, but lived in Ireland for a couple of generations, and were regarded as Irish when they came to America. Some of them died in the coal mines and were virtually enslaved by the companies they worked for. They were paid crap, and could only buy food from the company store at highly inflated prices. Should they complain, they would have been fired and kicked out into the world homeless. So let me, at this time, demand the government give me a million bucks for what they went through. Or, on the other hand, I could put my nose to the grindstone and make a life for myself. I'm glad I did the latter instead of whining about how things "just aren't fair". Life isn't fair sometimes, but anyone with a bit of integrity, and desire to make it, can overcome those obstacles. I did, and I ain't all that. I didn't get white privilege, as a lot of rich white boys did, but I did pretty damn good in life. If I can do it, anybody can. I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for those who don't try, but are instead looking for an easy life without working for it.

 

[ecofarm]

Yes, let's do be intellectually honest. Today is not the 1850's. Yes, many black Americans have to work a little harder to get ahead, and that is wrong. However, I personally know black bankers, physicists, doctors, and my own representative is black. There is nothing stopping anybody, no matter their ethnicity, race, or religion, from being whatever they want to be. The people in the positions I mentioned were not held in captivity, and therefore are not entitled to what others went through 150 years ago. Bottom line is that you pack your own chute, and you should not expect anybody else to do it for you. On the other hand, my ancestors on my father's side were Scottish, but lived in Ireland for a couple of generations, and were regarded as Irish when they came to America. Some of them died in the coal mines and were virtually enslaved by the companies they worked for. They were paid crap, and could only buy food from the company store at highly inflated prices. Should they complain, they would have been fired and kicked out into the world homeless. So let me, at this time, demand the government give me a million bucks for what they went through. Or, on the other hand, I could put my nose to the grindstone and make a life for myself. I'm glad I did the latter instead of whining about how things "just aren't fair". Life isn't fair sometimes, but anyone with a bit of integrity, and desire to make it, can overcome those obstacles. I did, and I ain't all that. I didn't get white privilege, as a lot of rich white boys did, but I did pretty damn good in life. If I can do it, anybody can. I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for those who don't try, but are instead looking for an easy way out.

If a group was not totally disenfranchised, economically and socially, a hundred years ago, think they'd be doing better on average?

We're talking about long term impact of disenfranchisement on a specific group. This isn't about what an individual might accomplish today, it's about a group lagging as a result of disenfranchisement that requires generations to regrow.

When 13% of the population is reduced to 0% of the power, it takes generations to reach proportional power. In a just world, that's accelerated.

 

[ecofarm]

Yes, let's do be intellectually honest.

To continue my point, the world would be a different place with proportional power. Let's look merely at the US. If one in ten CEOs, senators, reps, judges and such were black, racism would not be what it is today.

Do you have a reason, beside disenfranchisement, that power should not be (in the macro) proportionate?

 

[BahamaBob]

If a group was not totally disenfranchised, economically and socially, a hundred years ago, think they'd be doing better on average?

We're talking about long term impact of disenfranchisement on a specific group. This isn't about what an individual might accomplish today, it's about a group lagging as a result of disenfranchisement that requires generations to regrow.

When 13% of the population is reduced to 0% of the power, it takes generations to reach proportional power. In a just world, that's accelerated.

The Irish, the Italians, the Jews, Catholics, Chinese and other have all faced the same disenfranchisement. Sometimes you just have to put on your big boy pants and man up.

 

[ecofarm]

The Irish, the Italians, the Jews, Catholics, Chinese and other have all faced the same disenfranchisement. Sometimes you just have to put on your big boy pants and man up.

Yeah, everything is like slavery and racism.

Using false equivalence to excuse slavery and racism is horrendous.

 

[washunut]

To continue my point, the world would be a different place with proportional power. Let's look merely at the US. If one in ten CEOs, senators, reps, judges and such were black, racism would not be what it is today.

Do you have a reason, beside disenfranchisement, that power should not be (in the macro) proportionate?

There are all sorts of reasons besides disenfranchisement. People of all types make excuses for why they are less successful. Should I be upset because I nor my son had a chance to make the NBA.

 

[Moderate Right]

If a group was not totally disenfranchised, economically and socially, a hundred years ago, think they'd be doing better on average?

We're talking about long term impact of disenfranchisement on a specific group. This isn't about what an individual might accomplish today, it's about a group lagging as a result of disenfranchisement that requires generations to regrow.

When 13% of the population is reduced to 0% of the power, it takes generations to reach proportional power. In a just world, that's accelerated.

There will always be injustice anywhere you go, no matter what system is used. To continually pay everyone reparations for every wrong that was ever committed is total lunacy.

 

[Moderate Right]

There are all sorts of reasons besides disenfranchisement. People of all types make excuses for why they are less successful. Should I be upset because I nor my son had a chance to make the NBA.

Yep. Fat people and people with no talent are discriminated against. Sports shouldn't discriminate against fat people. Time for reparations.

 

[Logician Man]

Yep. Fat people and people with no talent are discriminated against. Sports shouldn't discriminate against fat people. Time for reparations.

Clearly you must not watch sports very much. Sports has less discrimination that just about any job category on the planet.

 

[Moderate Right]

Clearly you must not watch sports very much. Sports has less discrimination that just about any job category on the planet.

Ummmmmmmmmm. Clearly you must not watch sports very much. I don't see any fat people playing any of the major sports. They are discriminated against. We need to pay reparations to them. And, women are not allowed to play in the NFL, the NBA, or MLB. They need reparations as well. And, we need to pay reparations to blacks who could not play these sports in the past. After all, today doesn't count. We need to pay reparations to descendents of those in the past who were discriminated against. And, Hollywood needs to pay reparations for all of the awards not won due to discrimination.

 

[BahamaBob]

Yeah, everything is like slavery and racism.

Using false equivalence to excuse slavery and racism is horrendous.

Wake up call. Slavery has been illegal in this country for over 150 years. Hundreds of thousands of white men died gaining that freedom for them. It is time to stop living in the past. Society moves on. The smart blacks people figured that out and became productive members of that society. The rest kept listening to the Democrats.

 

[ecofarm]

Wake up call. Slavery has been illegal in this country for over 150 years. Hundreds of thousands of white men died gaining that freedom for them. It is time to stop living in the past. Society moves on. The smart blacks people figured that out and became productive members of that society. The rest kept listening to the Democrats.

Wake up call. A 100% death tax and obliteration of family and social capital takes generations to recover from. Add to that segregation and Jim Crow. And racism in general. And we have a population still lagging due to disenfranchisement.

It's a social and generational thing measured in the macro. It's not something discernible in an individual.

Black people are disproportionately under-represented in wealth and power. How do you explain that? Disenfranchisement or inferiority?

13% of the population was reduced to 0% power. And it's not up to 13% yet. The sooner the better for everyone.

 

[ecofarm]

Wake up call. Slavery has been illegal in this country for over 150 years. Hundreds of thousands of white men died gaining that freedom for them. It is time to stop living in the past. Society moves on. The smart blacks people figured that out and became productive members of that society. The rest kept listening to the Democrats.

Wake up call. A 100% death tax and obliteration of family and social capital takes generations to recover from. Add to that segregation and Jim Crow. And racism in general. And we have a population still lagging due to disenfranchisement.

It's a social and generational thing measured in the macro. It's not something discernible in an individual.

Black people are disproportionately under-represented in wealth and power. How do you explain that? Disenfranchisement or inferiority?

13% of the population was reduced to 0% power. And it's not up to 13% yet. The sooner the better for everyone.

I think what you mean to post is, "I'm impressed. No one ever put it like that before. I'm gonna take some time to think about it."

Then I say, to my detractors, "suck it".


If that's not what you had in mind, you can just let it go and I'll go with that.

 

[BahamaBob]

Wake up call. A 100% death tax and obliteration of family and social capital takes generations to recover from. Add to that segregation and Jim Crow. And racism in general. And we have a population still lagging due to disenfranchisement.

It's a social and generational thing measured in the macro. It's not something discernible in an individual.

Black people are disproportionately under-represented in wealth and power. How do you explain that? Disenfranchisement or inferiority?

Total nonsense without any factual base. The finical wealth of nearly every family in the south was wiped out in the Civil War. If your blatterings had any truth, they would all still be poor too. Most of this country was wiped out by the depression in 1929. That was 75 years after the Civil War yet that didn't hold people down either. Your once down, you remain down theory holds no water.

Segregation, Jim Crow Laws, and the KKK are all Democrat creations. If you want to blame them for Blacks not progressing, you need to sue the Democrats.

Your allegation that Blacks are underrepresented in wealth and power is total nonsense. I live in a multi million dollar home in South Florida. A large number of my neighbors are Black athletes. They are just like me. Self made and proud of it. Herman Cain and Oprah say hello. The entertainment and news industries are loaded with Blacks. They are well represented and well paid. Laws ensure that they have equal access to every job. Blacks have a strong representation in Congress and the Supreme Court. Seems like one of them even became president.

The biggest place where they are underrepresented in in education. They lag behind all others in test scores. They also rank among the highest in the dropout numbers. Again this is a Democrat created problem. They strongly oppose letting them go to Charter Schools. They have them where they want them and will do everything they can to keep them there.

 

[ecofarm]

Couldn't just let it go, huh?

 

[BahamaBob]

Couldn't just let it go, huh?

Total ignorance must not go unanswered.

 

[HK.227]

There will always be injustice anywhere you go, no matter what system is used. To continually pay everyone reparations for every wrong that was ever committed is total lunacy.

I don't know. I would be happy to pay reparations to the descendants of people my forebears oppressed, but obviously only after I get full reparations for the oppression they suffered hemselves.

That would include the country of Norway, since one of my ancesstors was the first King of that country, and it was later stolen from us by evil oppressors whose descendants profited thereby. And that's just one of them. I can hardly wait to work out my share of the "being oppressed for being Christian" money owed by Muslims and Pagans, not to mention my pagan ancestors "being oppressed for *not* being Christian" owed by Christians, and all the "being oppressed for being the *wrong* kind of Christian" money owed by Catholics. Some guy once speared one of my ancestors right in the chest, while he was just minding his own business selling muskets and brandy, so Ghana owes me for that one. And someone is gonna pay for all of those corrupt noblemen who placed unjust taxes on my family, social class, nation, and race. I must be recompensed for all the armies and pirates who pillaged us. The foreign nations who blocked our trade. The ancestors unjustly imprisoned and executed. Genocidal Swedish kings. The British Navy. Nazi pilots. Japanese tourists. And my aunt's neighbour's dog once took a dump in her garden; that ought to be worth a few bucks as well.

Come to think of it, I am perfectly prepared to accept any kind of lunacy that will make me filthy rich.