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Rep. Omar defends invoking allah to combat ‘evil’ israel

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Israel is a country, not a race, and it has done evil things. What's the problem again?

That Israel is used by antisemites as a form to express their antisemitism.

It's legitimate to believe Israel "has done evil things" - this simply makes you an immoral person in thinking that a nation defending itself is an act of evil - but those obsessed with an anti-Israeli world view and think it is evil incarnate and needs to be destroyed and all that nonsense are merely looking to express their Jew hatred in forms they hope will be seen as legitimate.
 
Don't understand what's not clear about what I said.
Being against a policy is fine. Being in support of a Palestinian state is a position held by many Israelis, what's this to do with antisemitism? You're clearly lost in confusion.
What's clear is that the obsession against Israel is antisemitic in its nature.

Also not understanding your repeated use of Jews holding such and such views. It doesn't matter at all if a person holds an antisemitic opinion and he is Jewish or not. It's extremely racist to believe that saying "All Jews must burn" for example is fine as long as the one saying it is Jewish. It remains a rabid and vile racist expression in either case.

So then you agree that the Muslim Congressman was not being antisemitic since his comment were directed against the State of Israel and not "All Jews".
 
That Israel is used by antisemites as a form to express their antisemitism.

It's legitimate to believe Israel "has done evil things" - this simply makes you an immoral person in thinking that a nation defending itself is an act of evil - but those obsessed with an anti-Israeli world view and think it is evil incarnate and needs to be destroyed and all that nonsense are merely looking to express their Jew hatred in forms they hope will be seen as legitimate.

So, let's be clear:

You are claiming Israel has never done a single evil thing. This is your opinion.
 
So then you agree that the Muslim Congressman was not being antisemitic since his comment were directed against the State of Israel and not "All Jews".


Well he suggests "Israel hypnotized everyone". That's a reference to a well known antisemitic canard that Jews have such level of influence.
Simply using Israel instead of Jews shouldn't prevent those who oppose racism from calling him out.
The "but I said Israel/Zionists, not Jews" excuse isn't working anymore.
 
Israel is a country, not a race, and it has done evil things. What's the problem again?

I agree. Israel has done and continues to do terrible stuff.
But this bitch called them "dogs".
That's a racial slur and you guys turn a blind eye to it.
Thus...ur all hypocrites and LIARS!
 
I agree. Israel has done and continues to do terrible stuff.
But this bitch called them "dogs".
That's a racial slur and you guys turn a blind eye to it.
Thus...ur all hypocrites and LIARS!

Dogs is not a race-specific word. It also does not appear in the OP.
 
Did you misread "doings" as "dogs?"

I think I might have...my bad.
She did call them "evil". Which is by definition of anti-Semitism...anti-Semitic.
Zionism is, and always has been, a problem. I think even Zionists are beginning to see that.
Let's imagine that instead of saying "some" migrants from the south were criminals and such, Trump said "Mexico is evil"?
How do you figure you would have reacted? Or do I even need to ask...
Which BEGS the question...
'Why is your morality so...malleable?'
 
I think I might have...my bad.
She did call them "evil". Which is by definition of anti-Semitism...anti-Semitic.
If you call the Taliban evil, you are also a bigot. Right? If you criticize the Saudi government, you hate Muslims?

Can we expand this? Calling North Korea evil makes you racist against asian people?

You have claimed that any criticism of the Israeli government is automatically anti-Semitism. So, to you, Israel can literally just start murdering children on live television and you wouldn't say a word. Because you're not anti-Semitic.
 
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Let's imagine that instead of saying "some" migrants from the south were criminals and such, Trump said "Mexico is evil"?
How do you figure you would have reacted? Or do I even need to ask...
Which BEGS the question...
'Why is your morality so...malleable?'

So, let's answer your dumb ass question here.

You mean to tell me if Donald Trump said "the Mexican government did something evil," you would call him racist?
 
I just find it disgustingly stupid when people try to equate the government/nation of Israel as the same as the religion of Judaism.

In other words, when you criticize Israel regarding ANY policy you might disagree with, you are branded a "joo-hater."

****ing retards. Sick of reading their stupid ****.
 
Of course, CNN didn’t push back on the anti-Semite... bigot.

While I find it pathetic that religious zealots appeal to their gods to confront other religious zealots, this is really just the same sort of magical thinking that is the stock and trade of magical thinkers everywhere. Allah aside, Israel HAS done a lot of evil **** to the Palestinians and vice versa. However, one group is captive and another is not. There is a moral imbalance there that the American right, in their own bigotry, refuse to acknowledge.

I also question whether you even know what bigotry is. Here's a hint, when you have valid reasons to find the well documented actions of a group distasteful, it's NOT bigotry. Therefore, when I say that Islam and Israel are both bat ****, there's nothing bigoted about that.
 
Ah yes, the right wing idiocy of claiming anybody critical of Isreal is a anti-Semite and bigot. Oh, that's exactly what Israel has hypnotized people to believe, this bull****.

Sorry, Israel murders scientists, murders Palestinians, steals their lands, bombs neighboring countries, and is constantly provocative. Sorry, they are assholes, just as much as Palestinians have been assholes and other countries in that region have as well.

There is nothing racist about being critical of Israel Israel is a country, not a race of people




Didn't say strike down, just said "see". People do need to see Israel is not really the good guy,.

Says the anti-semite.
 
While I find it pathetic that religious zealots appeal to their gods to confront other religious zealots, this is really just the same sort of magical thinking that is the stock and trade of magical thinkers everywhere. Allah aside, Israel HAS done a lot of evil **** to the Palestinians and vice versa. However, one group is captive and another is not. There is a moral imbalance there that the American right, in their own bigotry, refuse to acknowledge.

I also question whether you even know what bigotry is. Here's a hint, when you have valid reasons to find the well documented actions of a group distasteful, it's NOT bigotry. Therefore, when I say that Islam and Israel are both bat ****, there's nothing bigoted about that.

Israel had been a bi-partisan issue until the progressives started to align with Farrakhan. You can no longer be a member in good standing of the democratic party unless you tolerate the anti-Israel stance. Not sure which side you say is captive. Is Gaza captive. They have built the society they voted for with their leaders Hamas.

Guess it is fine that Israeli kids live to be traumatized due to their running to bomb shelters whenever Hamas decides to try and rocket schools and houses. Find your relative morality disgusting.
 
Says the anti-semite.

That's a cop out, washunut. No bigotry is necessary to condemn the actions of the state of Israel. They did it themselves. Nobody ever forced them to adopt the tactics of an oppressor.
 
That's a cop out, washunut. No bigotry is necessary to condemn the actions of the state of Israel. They did it themselves. Nobody ever forced them to adopt the tactics of an oppressor.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I might ask what any other nation would do in the name of the near constant attacks to their citizens. America has been in Afghanistan for 17 years for being the training ground for 9/11. If you take into account the difference in populations, the number of Americans killed would equal less than 100 Israelis. How many Afghans and Iraqis have we killed in retaliation. What would america do if part of its population was under constant threat on rocket attacks. Would there be hand wrenching over the deaths of some in the military of the attackers,think not.

The world is comfortable with Jews accepting their fate to be killed at the whim of whomever. Thus there are 16 million Jews in a world of 7 billion. Half of that number is under nearly daily attack. Yet non-bigots (joke correct?) call for a universal boycott of Israel and question its right to exist.
 
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I might ask what any other nation would do in the name of the near constant attacks to their citizens. America has been in Afghanistan for 17 years for being the training ground for 9/11. If you take into account the difference in populations, the number of Americans killed would equal less than 100 Israelis. How many Afghans and Iraqis have we killed in retaliation. What would america do if part of its population was under constant threat on rocket attacks. Would there be hand wrenching over the deaths of some in the military of the attackers,think not.

The world is comfortable with Jews accepting their fate to be killed at the whim of whomever. Thus there are 16 million Jews in a world of 7 billion. Half of that number is under nearly daily attack. Yet non-bigots (joke correct?) call for a universal boycott of Israel and question its right to exist.

If you criticize the Saudi government, are you a bigot?
 
Israel had been a bi-partisan issue until the progressives started to align with Farrakhan. You can no longer be a member in good standing of the democratic party unless you tolerate the anti-Israel stance. Not sure which side you say is captive. Is Gaza captive. They have built the society they voted for with their leaders Hamas.

I will excuse your ignorance to a degree because I actually agree that the left has not done enough to distance themselves from Farrakhan, who is a proud bigot. He is respected, though, in the black community because he has told an unvarnished version of this country's history while so many on the white, right only tell the revisionist, white washed version. Black people are very aware of what happened to them and the stories of their ancestors still resonate with them as a source of discontent. Farrakhan is a bigot exploits that discontent and who appeals to many bigots in the black community. If bigotry can ever be understood, theirs is derived of a pervasive sense of futility in ever achieving dignity and equality for their kind. They were made to feel that way by hundreds of years of government complicity, by white representatives, who did too little to change things on their behalf.

Guess it is fine that Israeli kids live to be traumatized due to their running to bomb shelters whenever Hamas decides to try and rocket schools and houses. Find your relative morality disgusting.

If you want to be disgusted, consider who provides the weapons they fire back. Consider who gives Israel billions of dollars in aid and equipment so that they can maintain their hold on that disputed piece of holy ground, a blood soaked desert they call their divine right.

Israel was the consolation prize for Western blood guilt at the end of WWII that now serves only to divide the middle east in perpetual violence. Before you weep for the Jewish children who must fear that one of the guidance-free projectiles that Hamas launches might accidentally strike civilization, consider the huge imbalance in the death toll that has left much of the Palestinian territory in rubble and so many of their own children dead or wasting away in refugee camps. No Israeli child has ever died because they threw a rock. Israel has a strangle hold on the Palestinians and they deprive them of their right to their land and security at every whim.

It has ceased to surprise me when conservatives make heroes out of murderous theocrats and exaggerate the influence of petty bigots like Farrakhan, even as the Israelis murder, bomb and oppress at will. As bad as Farrakhan is, he isn't as bad as the conservatives who excuse the war crimes and persecution by Israelis.
 
If you call the Taliban evil, you are also a bigot. Right? If you criticize the Saudi government, you hate Muslims?

Can we expand this? Calling North Korea evil makes you racist against asian people?

You have claimed that any criticism of the Israeli government is automatically anti-Semitism. So, to you, Israel can literally just start murdering children on live television and you wouldn't say a word. Because you're not anti-Semitic.

I'm telling you what the law is.
I'm also saying that this woman is not being held to the same standards as any Republican would.
Which makes some people in here...hypocrites.
 
So, let's answer your dumb ass question here.

You mean to tell me if Donald Trump said "the Mexican government did something evil," you would call him racist?

I mean...you people are common hypocrites.
 
If you criticize the Saudi government, are you a bigot?


As I told you before the criticism of a specific action taken by one government is never racism or bigotry.
Your belief that an action X or policy Y of an Israeli government is "evil" is, while perhaps immoral, a legitimate opinion.
The obsession with Israel however, the belief that it should be destroyed and that it is evil incarnate and has no right to exist, that's antisemitism hiding itself as criticism.
Quite simple.
 
If you want to be disgusted, consider who provides the weapons they fire back. Consider who gives Israel billions of dollars in aid and equipment so that they can maintain their hold on that disputed piece of holy ground, a blood soaked desert they call their divine right.

That's just ignorant. Israel isn't entirely desert, and the right to self determination isn't "divine" but rather historical.
And there's nothing immoral, let alone disgusting, in providing weapons to a moral military defending itself from vile terrorists.

Israel was the consolation prize for Western blood guilt at the end of WWII that now serves only to divide the middle east in perpetual violence.

So you're against Israel's right to even exist to begin with.
Is there any other nation you believe has no right to exist or is that a thought you reserve to, shockingly, the only Jewish state on this planet?

Before you weep for the Jewish children who must fear that one of the guidance-free projectiles that Hamas launches might accidentally strike civilization, consider the huge imbalance in the death toll that has left much of the Palestinian territory in rubble and so many of their own children dead or wasting away in refugee camps. No Israeli child has ever died because they threw a rock. Israel has a strangle hold on the Palestinians and they deprive them of their right to their land and security at every whim.

A load of nonsense in this extremely ignorant drivel.
The death tolls would be more "balanced" were Israel not able to minimize its civilian casualties using shelters and alarm systems, that's just a NEDJ argument there. (Not Enough Dead Jews)
Had Israel used the same measures its terrorist enemies use against its citizens, against the territory of Gaza - meaning launching dozens of thousands of rockets filled with metal shards on cities and towns and highly populated areas, the death toll on the Gazan side would be in the hundreds of thousands so your playing down of that is extremely immoral. Regardless even the mere reference to an imbalance in a death toll as something that dictates the morality of one side or another is ridiculously stupid and expresses a complete detachment from the logical thinking of a functioning human brain.

Aside of that, you're saying "no Israeli child has ever died because they threw a rock" and you're first of all assuming here that Israel goes to wars because Palestinians throw rocks which is completely absurd and secondly you're just showing your ignorance here as Israeli children including infants have had their skulls crashed by Palestinian rock throwers in the past and were murdered by that method. Yehuda Shoham's murder case for example. So we based the fact that you're completely ignorant on this subject that has nothing to do with you and yet you're so keen to discuss.

It has ceased to surprise me when conservatives make heroes out of murderous theocrats and exaggerate the influence of petty bigots like Farrakhan, even as the Israelis murder, bomb and oppress at will. As bad as Farrakhan is, he isn't as bad as the conservatives who excuse the war crimes and persecution by Israelis.

I said earlier in this thread that the only people who protest and claim they cannot criticize specific actions of specific Israeli governments because they are called antisemites for it - are the very antisemites themselves. You've just gone and proven that point several times here.

First in being against the right to self-determination of the Jewish people and removing their historical claim to their homeland - completely antisemitic.
Secondly in only being against the existence of Israel, the one and only Jewish state. I'm sure your far-left radical agenda makes you engage in discussions against US policies and other Western nations since the key to this agenda beyond antisemitism and Jew hatred is also the hatred of everything Western, but I'm also sure you never argue that the US shouldn't exist and attack its legitimacy in similar discussions regarding say the US involvement in the Middle East. That's antisemitism as well.
And finally and the reason why I'm saying all that in response to the above quoted lines of yours is your claim that being in support of Israel - a highly moral position considering the righteousness of its battles for survival and against terror - is worse than being in support for antisemitic racists such as that Farrakhan bigot. This couldn't scream "Jew hatred" more and it's always those who express such antisemitic views as you did that protest the rightful claim that anti-Israeli obsession is merely a form of antisemitism.
 
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That's just ignorant. Israel isn't entirely desert, and the right to self determination isn't "divine" but rather historical.
And there's nothing immoral, let alone disgusting, in providing weapons to a moral military defending itself from vile terrorists.



So you're against Israel's right to even exist to begin with.
Is there any other nation you believe has no right to exist or is that a thought you reserve to, shockingly, the only Jewish state on this planet?



A load of nonsense in this extremely ignorant drivel.
The death tolls would be more "balanced" were Israel not able to minimize its civilian casualties using shelters and alarm systems, that's just a NEDJ argument there. (Not Enough Dead Jews)
Had Israel used the same measures its terrorist enemies use against its citizens, against the territory of Gaza - meaning launching dozens of thousands of rockets filled with metal shards on cities and towns and highly populated areas, the death toll on the Gazan side would be in the hundreds of thousands so your playing down of that is extremely immoral. Regardless even the mere reference to an imbalance in a death toll as something that dictates the morality of one side or another is ridiculously stupid and expresses a complete detachment from the logical thinking of a functioning human brain.

Aside of that, you're saying "no Israeli child has ever died because they threw a rock" and you're first of all assuming here that Israel goes to wars because Palestinians throw rocks which is completely absurd and secondly you're just showing your ignorance here as Israeli children including infants have had their skulls crashed by Palestinian rock throwers in the past and were murdered by that method. Yehuda Shoham's murder case for example. So we based the fact that you're completely ignorant on this subject that has nothing to do with you and yet you're so keen to discuss.



I said earlier in this thread that the only people who protest and claim they cannot criticize specific actions of specific Israeli governments because they are called antisemites for it - are the very antisemites themselves. You've just gone and proven that point several times here.

First in being against the right to self-determination of the Jewish people and removing their historical claim to their homeland - completely antisemitic.
Secondly in only being against the existence of Israel, the one and only Jewish state. I'm sure your far-left radical agenda makes you engage in discussions against US policies and other Western nations since the key to this agenda beyond antisemitism and Jew hatred is also the hatred of everything Western, but I'm also sure you never argue that the US shouldn't exist and attack its legitimacy in similar discussions regarding say the US involvement in the Middle East. That's antisemitism as well.
And finally and the reason why I'm saying all that in response to the above quoted lines of yours is your claim that being in support of Israel - a highly moral position considering the righteousness of its battles for survival and against terror - is worse than being in support for antisemitic racists such as that Farrakhan bigot. This couldn't scream "Jew hatred" more and it's always those who express such antisemitic views as you did that protest the rightful claim that anti-Israeli obsession is merely a form of antisemitism.

Are you serious? You wrote a lot of words for such a message of creative denial. So, the Israelis are the victims of their captives who murder them with rocks. I think I understand your perspective now. You're crazy.

In truth, you guys wouldn't know antisemitism if it bit you on the swastika. It's not antisemitism to point out the facts, historical and contemporary, of the Jewish state's oppression of their captives. However, it is the lowest form of conservative projection to accuse other people of bigotry in order to shut down a conversation about a nation that is committing daily human rights violations.

You and I both know why Israel is necessary to the US, so much so that we turn a blind eye to their crimes. We both know that the Israeli state is the manifestation of Christian efforts to create the conditions for end-times. Without Israel, the magical book would be wrong...again. The conservative clown car is full of doomsdayers, frantically trying to fulfill prophesy so they can prove to themselves that they didn't waste their lives praying to an empty sky rather than take some human responsibility for their lives and their planet. If it weren't so depressing, it would be hilarious.
 
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