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quid pro quo

... They shouldn't take bribes...

I agree but for a democrat supporter to call out a republican makes your posistion bias. Call out the ones in the party you support, its the only way things might change.
 
On both sides of the aisle, crap like this is normal.
Yes, it was a bribe.
Both sides bow to the will of the people.....
The oil people
The gas people
The drug people
The medical people
The defense contractor people
ect...ect...ect.
 
Is that what you're doing here? :lol:

I dont start until the other side starts. I cant afford to lose people who vote with my values cause they may get replaced with people who vote with yours.
 
I agree but for a democrat supporter to call out a republican makes your posistion bias. Call out the ones in the party you support, its the only way things might change.

No it doesn't. I don't think you know what bias means.

I dont start until the other side starts. I cant afford to lose people who vote with my values cause they may get replaced with people who vote with yours.

Well at least you're honest about the emotional maturity of the right.
 
That's exactly what Harshaw said, tres.

Thanks for your input, Josie, but no, that isn't "exactly what Harshaw said".

Here is exactly what Harshaw said:

These donations aren't even to Ryan. They're to a joint fund of which Ryan is only one of the beneficiaries. It's not like this "$500K" goes directly to him.

Give the fact that 1, these donations ARE to Ryan as the donations were made to "Team Ryan", his re-election campaign, his statement was false, and 2, "its' not like this $500K goes directly to him" is also false because he is the recipient of funds donated to "Team Ryan", both of his statements were wrong.

But like I said, thanks for your input.
 
Thanks for your input, Josie, but no, that isn't "exactly what Harshaw said".

Here is exactly what Harshaw said:



Give the fact that 1, these donations ARE to Ryan as the donations were made to "Team Ryan", his re-election campaign, his statement was false, and 2, "its' not like this $500K goes directly to him" is also false because he is the recipient of funds donated to "Team Ryan", both of his statements were wrong.

But like I said, thanks for your input.

I thought you were "honest," Tres. Obviously, that's complete bull****.

I explained exactly what I meant by that. But you're pretending the part you made ostentatiously big was all I said. It wasn't. I immediately explained and qualified it. You even quoted that explanation.

I said that it doesn't go to Ryan, because the OP implied it was a direct donation to Ryan. It wasn't. It was to a fund of which Ryan is one beneficiary, along the the NRCC and a super-Pac. So no, the donations from the Koches DON'T go directly to Ryan. They are intermingled with the rest of the donations, divvied up with the rest of the donations, and distributed among the three beneficiaries of the fund.

You claim I said there were "many" other beneficiaries of the fund. You claimed it twice, in quotes, even after I corrected you. "Many." I didn't say that. You lied:

Who are the other "many" beneficiaries of "Team Ryan 2018"? Just curious.

The NRCC and the PAC are two beneficiaries (that isn't "many" by the way).

You claim I indicated Ryan didn't benefit the most from that fund. I never did. You lied:

Ryan is the primary beneficiary. You do know that, right?

You even claim I said that Ryan doesn't benefit. I never did any such thing. You lied:

It isn't like he isn't going to benefit from that donation. He is. Very much so.

You are not "honest."

And you never answered the question -- do you agree with the OP that the Koch donations were a "bribe" and represent a "quid pro quo"? Well? C'mon, HonestRyanFan3. Let's hear it.
 
I thought you were "honest," Tres. Obviously, that's complete bull****.

I explained exactly what I meant by that. But you're pretending the part you made ostentatiously big was all I said. It wasn't. I immediately explained and qualified it. You even quoted that explanation.

I said that it doesn't go to Ryan, because the OP implied it was a direct donation to Ryan. It wasn't. It was to a fund of which Ryan is one beneficiary, along the the NRCC and a super-Pac. So no, the donations from the Koches DON'T go directly to Ryan. They are intermingled with the rest of the donations, divvied up with the rest of the donations, and distributed among the three beneficiaries of the fund.

You claim I said there were "many" other beneficiaries of the fund. You claimed it twice, in quotes, even after I corrected you. "Many." I didn't say that. You lied:





You claim I indicated Ryan didn't benefit the most from that fund. I never did. You lied:



You even claim I said that Ryan doesn't benefit. I never did any such thing. You lied:



You are not "honest."

And you never answered the question -- do you agree with the OP that the Koch donations were a "bribe" and represent a "quid pro quo"? Well? C'mon, HonestRyanFan3. Let's hear it.

Why not just admit you were wrong. Completely wrong. Ryan in fact does get these donations which you claimed he didn't, and yes, it goes directly to him, which you also claimed it didn't.

My name isn't "HonestRyanFan3".

I never said this was a bribe but like all political donations, it's a quid pro quo. Ask your hero Trump how that works. He loves to brag about all of the donations he made to get things out of politicians. It's called a quid pro quo.
 
You act like it's not normal to hand half a million dollars to a political candidate who isn't planning on running for re-election.

You realize $2,700 is the maximum campaign contribution per election, ohh your were quoting the fake news, now we understand.
 
I dont start until the other side starts. I cant afford to lose people who vote with my values cause they may get replaced with people who vote with yours.

So do as you say, not as you do. That's some stand up values right there. :2rofll:
 
Why not just admit you were wrong. Completely wrong. Ryan in fact does get these donations which you claimed he didn't, and yes, it goes directly to him, which you also claimed it didn't.

Not one word of what I said was wrong. Not a single word. All you've done is peddle a string of abject and repeated lies about what I said. "Honest." Pffff.

I said the donations go to a fund of which he is only one beneficiary. Apparently, you think my calling him a "beneficiary" of the fund means I'm saying he doesn't get anything from the fund, which is laughable in its sheer numbskullery, not to mention craven, repetitive dishonesty.

My name isn't "HonestRyanFan3".

No ****. Your name isn't actually "tres borrachos," either. So glad we could clear all that up.

I never said this was a bribe but like all political donations, it's a quid pro quo. Ask your hero Trump how that works. He loves to brag about all of the donations he made to get things out of politicians. It's called a quid pro quo.

Then that's your jaded opinion. And you're lying again -- Trump isn't my "hero," and he has nothing at all to do with this.
 
So do as you say, not as you do. That's some stand up values right there. :2rofll:

Which proves my point that things wont change as long as the left and right choose to hate the other side with hypocritcal agruements.
 
Not one word of what I said was wrong. Not a single word. All you've done is peddle a string of abject and repeated lies about what I said. "Honest." Pffff.

I said the donations go to a fund of which he is only one beneficiary. Apparently, you think my calling him a "beneficiary" of the fund means I'm saying he doesn't get anything from the fund, which is laughable in its sheer numbskullery, not to mention craven, repetitive dishonesty.



No ****. Your name isn't actually "tres borrachos," either. So glad we could clear all that up.



Then that's your jaded opinion. And you're lying again -- Trump isn't my "hero," and he has nothing at all to do with this.

My name on here is tres borrachos. That's what you're supposed to call me. I know you channel your hero Trump at every turn, but I'm not a tweenie. Refer to me as my name.

I'm not lying. Your words are there for anyone with a brain to read. Ryan does get money. And it is a quid pro quo. That's what all large political donations are. Just like your hero said.
 
Which proves my point that things wont change as long as the left and right choose to hate the other side with hypocritcal agruements.

You mean like what you're trying to do now?

Perhaps you have a point.
 
My name on here is tres borrachos. That's what you're supposed to call me. Refer to me as my name.

Sorry you can't handle sarcasm. :shrug: We don't always get what we want, do we?


I know you channel your hero Trump at every turn, but I'm not a tweenie.

A repeated lie. "Honest" tres in action.


I'm not lying. Your words are there for anyone with a brain to read. Ryan does get money.

You're lying yet again by claiming I said he didn't. Doesn't matter how many times it's pointed out, and how stupid it is, you keep repeating the lie. THAT is clear to anyone with a brain.

"Honest" tres in action.


And it is a quid pro quo. That's what all large political donations are. Just like your hero said.

Apparently, your opinion coincides with Trump's. I myself disagree.
 
Sorry you can't handle sarcasm. :shrug: We don't always get what we want, do we?




A repeated lie. "Honest" tres in action.




You're lying yet again by claiming I said he didn't. Doesn't matter how many times it's pointed out, and how stupid it is, you keep repeating the lie. THAT is clear to anyone with a brain.

"Honest" tres in action.




Apparently, your opinion coincides with Trump's. I myself disagree.

You are posting like a man who is triggered.

I am honest. Honest that political contributions are a quid pro quo, and honest that Paul Ryan will, in fact, benefit from the Koch donations. It's his campaign and his PAC. Fact. That's being honest.

Your post where you said "These donations aren't even to Ryan." is a lie. Fact. Unless you have evidence that he agreed to apply those funds solely to the NRCC, and not the other 2 and larger parts of Team Ryan, which are his campaign and his PAC.

Let's see it.
 
YYour post where you said "These donations aren't even to Ryan." is a lie. Fact.

Repeating your same bull**** about what I said doesn't make you any less dishonest, you know.

Unless you have evidence that he agreed to apply those funds solely to the NRCC, and not the other 2 and larger parts of Team Ryan, which are his campaign and his PAC.

I do not need to provide evidence for claims I didn't make, no matter the "lies" you want put into my mouth.

Your contributions to this conversation are worthless, mendacious garbage.
 
Repeating your same bull**** about what I said doesn't make you any less dishonest, you know.



I do not need to provide evidence for claims I didn't make, no matter the "lies" you want put into my mouth.

Your contributions to this conversation are worthless, mendacious garbage.

You lied, and you know it. Because unless you live under a rock, and don't know what "Team Ryan" is, you know as well as I do the donation went to his re-election campaign and his PAC, which completely contradict your claim that the donations aren't even to him.

You think when you make a donation to Team Ryan that it goes to Joe Manchin? Thom Tillis? Dick Durbin?

Just admit you made a mistake and move on. It isn't my fault that you lied by saying these donations didn't go to him. Team Ryan belongs to Paul Ryan. That isn't my opinion. That's a fact.
 
You lied, and you know it. Because unless you live under a rock, and don't know what "Team Ryan" is, you know as well as I do the donation went to his re-election campaign and his PAC, which completely contradict your claim that the donations aren't even to him.

You think when you make a donation to Team Ryan that it goes to Joe Manchin? Thom Tillis? Dick Durbin?

Just admit you made a mistake and move on. It isn't my fault that you lied by saying these donations didn't go to him. Team Ryan belongs to Paul Ryan. That isn't my opinion. That's a fact.

Enjoy thrashing in your pool of liquefied bull****, tres. Seems to be your natural habitat. Have fun.
 
I always considered money as an item, article or as you said, property. Never speech. But perhaps money has always been speech. Just not recognized as such or ruled upon by the SCOTUS. Usually, in elections the candidates with the most money wins. Not always, but most of the time. 2016 was an except as Clinton spent 1.4 billion to Trump's 957.6 million.

But money is what pays for TV and radio ads, flyers, the ground game, campaign visits and stops, campaign buttons and bumper stickers, newspaper ads and a bunch more. Perhaps politics has always been about money. But in a more covert or less glaring way. Less exposure to the public. Money bought newspapers and editors all the way back to our first elections. Money buys mass media.

I do think there is a point of diminishing returns on money. That once it reaches a certain point, amount, from that point on the money spent is wasted or at least doesn't have the same impact and that impact diminishes with each extra dollar spent.

I disagree with the SCOTUS ruling that money is speech or that corporations are people. I do understand how money can be considered speech since the one with money is able to utilize the mass media and everything associated with a campaign much more than one who hasn't as much money. Money does give them a bigger voice, a larger bull horn.

I do think all this campaign reform we have gone through to make elections fairer has actually made election worst. I remember when there were no limits on the amount of donations made. But they were all made to the candidates or political party and the candidates and political parties were responsible for the use of that money. No outside groups whatsoever involved.

Now we have all sorts of outside groups running their ads with the actual candidates and the political party's having no control over them. Against the law. No one is responsible for their ads. I think it was better, perhaps even more fairer prior to all this campaign reform.

While not fully 100% with you I do understand your point.
 
That's what happens when an idiot SCOTUS declares money "Speech" instead of what it is... property. Basically it is an originalist's ruling where those with property get to actually speak and have more representation politically than those without such money/property.

As it should have stayed, for good reason, to prevent looters like you from turning our Constitutional Republic into a ****ty Social Democracy. No skin in the game, no say.

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic." - Benjamin Franklin
 
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