Protesters block Betsy DeVos from entering public school in Washington

[haymarket]

Poor performance against other western nations. Except of course for multiculturalism and transgender restrooms.

here was your claim:

Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
Public schools are a total disaster, the liberalism is the cause. Time for the punishment.

Where is the verifiable evidence of both these allegations?

 

[Jack Hays]

Ahh, so data doesn't matter.

OK. Interesting world to live in.

Michagan schools continue to slip, I know I know, that's not a deflectionary statement, and not dealing with the issue, pretending there is no data point, is the only way you can progress your point. But there is a measurement.

Also studies of Louisiana's voucher system have shown that it has harmed overall education, not helped. I know, I know...we're not to speak of measurement because we need to dismiss dismiss dismiss. But measurements have been made.

And for every study that's configured to produce one result, another can be produced to show the opposite. The revolution is coming regardless.

 

[D_NATURED]

My path is simple, get the federal bureaucrats out of the equation and put discipline, respect, and personal responsibility back into the schools. Get rid of the PC mentality and allow for corporal punishment again not just time outs. Competition will begin the process

I see, your proposal is to inundate children with empty conservative platitudes. Then the schools WILL run just like Washington.

 

[Conservative]

I see, your proposal is to inundate children with empty conservative platitudes. Then the schools WILL run just like Washington.

If personal responsibility, discipline, consequences for failure, working is a platitude then YES!! Aren't you tired of screwing everything up yet? Progressive my ass

 

[minnie616]

I came across this interesting letter to Betsy DeVos from a blog I sometimes follow:

Hi Betsy!

Can I call you Betsy? I’m calling you Betsy – because we’re going to really get to know each other now that you’re Education Secretary.

<snip>

Why am I writing to you? Well, because my youngest child, Maura, is in special education and you seem like you’re not that sure how special education runs in public schools in the U.S.

<snip>

We’re all watching you, you see. All of us parents with kids in special education. You caught our eye when you were all “Oh, IDEA? Sorry, I was confused.” You may have heard a resounding thunk sound after those words came out of your mouth – that was the sound of thousands of parents heads hitting their desks. A collective head thunk.

Now, imagine a child like Maura in a regular 7th/8th grade classroom. Where everyone else is reading “Lord of the Flies” and Maura’s flipping through a My Little Pony book. Or when everyone else is learning the fundamentals of algebra, and she’s still learning how to count to 30 properly. Imagine her in a science class where she doesn’t realize that you shouldn’t drink the blue liquid.

Imagine how a private school would handle her. Or a charter school that’s design for students to excel in STEM.

You have to imagine it because those schools don’t take kids like Maura.

“Oh surely you can find…” you might start.

“No Betsy. I can’t.” I will state.

“But if you had school of choice-” you may say.

“Not even then Betsy.” I will reply.
<snip>
“But you had school of choice! You could have moved her to a better school!” you may say.

“Oh Betsy…Betsy Betsy Betsy…it’s not that easy.” I reply.
<snip>

This is where IDEA helped us. IDEA and FAPE (Free Appropriate Public Education). Those federal laws and protections you found “confusing” were our safety net. They made things happen, stuff got done. See, it’s like you’re captured by pirates and you invoke the right to parlay, like Elizabeth Swan did in “Pirates of the Caribbean”. We shouted “IDEA! FAPE!” and invoked our right to get a lawyer and things happened.

IDEA and FAPE are kind of Special Ed 101, along with IEP (Individualized Education Plan). That you failed those questions? Well it did not inspire confidence in any of us.

Read more:

https://phoebeholmes.com/2017/02/09/dear-betsy-devos/

 

[humbolt]

I completely and fully endorse the idea of a complete and thorough exam for Trump so that all these burning national questions about his suspected mental illness cane examined.

I'll write that down and send it to Al Franken. He brilliantly stated two concerns about Trump: 1) Trump lies, and; 2) Trump doesn't tell the truth. You guys are a hoot. You ever consider taking yodeling lessons?

 

[haymarket]

I'll write that down and send it to Al Franken. He brilliantly stated two concerns about Trump: 1) Trump lies, and; 2) Trump doesn't tell the truth. You guys are a hoot. You ever consider taking yodeling lessons?

What does that post from you have to do with the post from me you pretended you were replying to?

 

[EnigmaO01]

It stopped being protesting some time ago. It is instead a deliberate use of violent obstruction to inhibit the functioning of a legitimate, democratically-elected government in pursuit of their own political motives.

Fascism.

Plain. And. Simple.

Most protesters aren't violent. Get real.

 

[humbolt]

What does that post from you have to do with the post from me you pretended you were replying to?

Franken also believes Trump should be psychiatrically evaluated. Personally, I think you and Franken should be psychiatrically evaluated. Of course, originally you thought Trump had already been evaluated, but you retreated from that absurd position, at least in response to me, to another absurd position. There's a pattern there.

 

[haymarket]

Franken also believes Trump should be psychiatrically evaluated. Personally, I think you and Franken should be psychiatrically evaluated. Of course, originally you thought Trump had already been evaluated, but you retreated from that absurd position, at least in response to me, to another absurd position. There's a pattern there.

Attacking me does not make a case for Trump.

 

[humbolt]

Attacking me does not make a case for Trump.

I'm not attacking you, and I'm not making a case for Trump. If you claim Trump needs an evaluation based solely on your opinion, I can claim you need one based on mine.

 

[haymarket]

I'm not attacking you, and I'm not making a case for Trump. If you claim Trump needs an evaluation based solely on your opinion, I can claim you need one based on mine.

I have posted all manner of evidence from many mental health professionals regarding the mental disability of Trump.

 

[humbolt]

I have posted all manner of evidence from many mental health professionals regarding the mental disability of Trump.

No, you've posted baseless opinions. We've already been through all of that. Apparently you don't remember. You know what that means. That's right. Senile dementia. Ah well. I'll post my diagnosis in it's entirety at a later date. I'm sure you'll enhance the "evidence" by then.

 

[haymarket]

No, you've posted baseless opinions.

Educated opinion from leading professionals in the mental health care field ARE NOT BASELESS.

 

[humbolt]

Educated opinion from leading professionals in the mental health care field ARE NOT BASELESS.

No, and THEY ARE NOT CLINICAL, either. We don't conduct such crap with our elected officials or anyone else in a civil society, or are you suggesting we start eliminating the rights of various people based on the random and unfounded observations of blowhards just passing by?

 

[haymarket]

No, and THEY ARE NOT CLINICAL, either. We don't conduct such crap with our elected officials or anyone else in a civil society, or are you suggesting we start eliminating the rights of various people based on the random and unfounded observations of blowhards just passing by?

What rights are being eliminated by mental health professional trying to alert the nation to a possible serious mental illness our president may have which threatens the security of all of us?

 

[humbolt]

What rights are being eliminated by mental health professional trying to alert the nation to a possible serious mental illness our president may have which threatens the security of all of us?

The mental health blowhards lacked professionalism, and therefore can't be called a professional. It's a half-assed attempt to discredit a duly elected official who occupies the office through legitimate means we all witnessed. You engage in any ridiculous smear that pops out of the sewer that is the democratic party these days, and then you run around acting all offended when that's pointed out. You have no shame.

 

[haymarket]

The mental health blowhards lacked professionalism, and therefore can't be called a professional. It's a half-assed attempt to discredit a duly elected official who occupies the office through legitimate means we all witnessed. You engage in any ridiculous smear that pops out of the sewer that is the democratic party these days, and then you run around acting all offended when that's pointed out. You have no shame.

I see your screed against me - but where is the answer to my question raised by upon own comments?

Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
No, and THEY ARE NOT CLINICAL, either. We don't conduct such crap with our elected officials or anyone else in a civil society, or are you suggesting we start eliminating the rights of various people based on the random and unfounded observations of blowhards just passing by?

Here it is again

What rights are being eliminated by mental health professional trying to alert the nation to a possible serious mental illness our president may have which threatens the security of all of us?

 

[humbolt]

I see your screed against me - but where is the answer to my question raised by upon own comments?

I'm sorry. That's unintelligible.

Here it is again

What rights are being eliminated by mental health professional trying to alert the nation to a possible serious mental illness our president may have which threatens the security of all of us?

I'll tell ya what. When you can give me the clinical procedure for declaring a person mentally incompetent, pit that against what you claim here to be actionable, and justify it in some manner other than your partisan fever, I might respond to your next post. Otherwise, Trump was elected and certified in accordance with the constitutional procedures defined, and no amount of blathering on your part will undo it.

 

[haymarket]

I'm sorry. That's unintelligible.





I'll tell ya what. When you can give me the clinical procedure for declaring a person mentally incompetent, pit that against what you claim here to be actionable, and justify it in some manner other than your partisan fever, I might respond to your next post. Otherwise, Trump was elected and certified in accordance with the constitutional procedures defined, and no amount of blathering on your part will undo it.

Thank you for making it clear you were using something other than with your brain when you wrote that falsehood about taking away peoples rights.

 

[humbolt]

Thank you for making it clear you were using something other than with your brain when you wrote that falsehood about taking away peoples rights.

You're just demonstrating your ignorance of the constitution. Trump has the right to be president as the constitution describes it. I'm not surprised you don't understand that because you don't even know the difference between a clinical evaluation and some drive by mutterings. I've known four year olds with a better understanding of such things.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

Ehhh... For some reason im not outraged.. Something about her sly little car-salesman smile while activating the "deer staring in headlights" face. Can we impeach Trump just for picking Devos and Bannon?

 

[D_NATURED]

If personal responsibility, discipline, consequences for failure, working is a platitude then YES!! Aren't you tired of screwing everything up yet? Progressive my ass

If all you have in mind are ambiguous results, you don't have a plan. How do you return respect and discipline to schools without defining what they are?

If you think progressives have screwed everthing up, you're forgetting that the conservatives have done far more to establish the conditions of failure in our public education. It is they who support classist funding and who are constantly trying to find ways to siphon education dollars away to private schools.

Where the funding is there, our schools compete well with any others.

 

[Conservative]

If all you have in mind are ambiguous results, you don't have a plan. How do you return respect and discipline to schools without defining what they are?

If you think progressives have screwed everthing up, you're forgetting that the conservatives have done far more to establish the conditions of failure in our public education. It is they who support classist funding and who are constantly trying to find ways to siphon education dollars away to private schools.

Where the funding is there, our schools compete well with any others.

We have decades of definition of what schools are but what we have a total misunderstanding of how they are funded. Progressives have indeed screwed things up with their PC entitlement mentality. Just throw money at the problem. Maybe you ought to talk to your union buddies about funding and get the NEA out of the classrooms turning them over to the people totally responsible, the states.