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haymarket said:
Yeah - I concede the point that your reply fails to make sense.
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As is the norm for those that chose not to understand. You ignore and give non replies to anything you chose not to discuss and argue minutiae and semantics until the cows come home. Your replies always make sense---totally partisan crapola.
 
OpportunityCost said:
As is the norm for those that chose not to understand. You ignore and give non replies to anything you chose not to discuss and argue minutiae and semantics until the cows come home. Your replies always make sense---totally partisan crapola.
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Why are you NOT talking about the thread topic?
 
haymarket said:
Actually I am taking the word from mental health professionals about him. I do not practice myself.
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That's why I said you're "parroting." And the mental health professionals whose word you are taking have never met nor diagnosed Trump either.
 
Jack Hays said:
Offered a public diagnosis of someone they never met. That's propaganda, not medicine.
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If they were a complete stranger who is a blank slate. That is NOT Trump as through his books, his writings , his appearances , his speeches, his actions, his public record - far far far more is known about him that any mental health professional could learn in a 50 minute consultation. And they have that wealth of information to work with to make a fairly accurate diagnosis.
 
nota bene said:
That's why I said you're "parroting." And the mental health professionals whose word you are taking have never met nor diagnosed Trump either.
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see post 482
 
faithful_servant said:
So you support school vouchers and charter schools. GOOD!!

YEah , I know. You hate charter schools because you've been told that they will destroy schools. Yet the source of your information comes primarily two sources - the teacher's unions sho know that vouchers and private schools will gut their power like a fish and Dem. politicians who know that successful voucher system would mean a victory for Reps.
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minnie616 said:
If the charter school accepts all educable students regardless of how poor or if they have learning disabilities/difference and supports and abides IDEA than vouchers for charter schools that are held to the same standards as public schools are acceptable to me.

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For those who are unfamiliar with IDEA ( like Ms. DeVos seemed to be when questioned by senate members during the hearing before she was confirmed as education sec.)

IDEA is an acronym concerning the education of special needs children.
Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA)

Read more at this website:

https://www.verywell.com/what-is-idea-3106870
 
nota bene said:
See the 1973 Goldberg Rule: Goldwater Rule: Don't Discuss Trump's Mental State | Law News
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see previous posts where articles explained why the Goldwater rule does not apply here as we should be thankful that patriots in the mental health field are willing to go above and beyond such limitations to speak out for their loved country. Some people put patriotism over personal self preservation.

Opinion: The Opinion of Leading Psychologists Is That Trump Is Mentally Deranged
 
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haymarket said:
If they were a complete stranger who is a blank slate. That is NOT Trump as through his books, his writings , his appearances , his speeches, his actions, his public record - far far far more is known about him that any mental health professional could learn in a 50 minute consultation. And they have that wealth of information to work with
to make a fairly accurate diagnosis.
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Should read...."to make a wild-assed guess to satisfy the preconceived notions of hopeless partisans". I could offer a similar clinical diagnosis without grounds for Hillary Clinton that would set your hair on fire, but most with any sense aren't so half-baked that they would accept it. Kudos to them.
 
humbolt said:
Should read...."to make a wild-assed guess to satisfy the preconceived notions of hopeless partisans". I could offer a similar clinical diagnosis without grounds for Hillary Clinton that would set your hair on fire, but most with any sense aren't so half-baked that they would accept it. Kudos to them.
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So what are your credentials as a mental health professional and how do they compare to the Doctor of Medicine who is a Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School?
 
haymarket said:
So what are your credentials as a mental health professional and how do they compare to the Doctor of Medicine who is a Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School?
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I don't need any to dismiss both your claims and the claims of the good professor. I have Harvard's own words and that of the WHO on the proper method of reaching a diagnosis. You should look into it when you take a break from your partisan hackery.
 
haymarket said:
If they were a complete stranger who is a blank slate. That is NOT Trump as through his books, his writings , his appearances , his speeches, his actions, his public record - far far far more is known about him that any mental health professional could learn in a 50 minute consultation. And they have that wealth of information to work with to make a fairly accurate diagnosis.
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Not by the standards of their own profession, and certainly not by the standards of common decency.
 
humbolt said:
I don't need any to dismiss both your claims and the claims of the good professor. I have Harvard's own words and that of the WHO on the proper method of reaching a diagnosis. You should look into it when you take a break from your partisan hackery.
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Love of country is NOT partisan hackery. It says much about your own position that would wrongly view it that way simply to attack me personally.
 
Jack Hays said:
Not by the standards of their own profession, and certainly not by the standards of common decency.
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Gee Whiz Wally - wouldn't you have thunk that the Harvard guy knew that before he spoke up like he did.

 
Jack Hays said:
Not by the standards of their own profession, and certainly not by the standards of common decency.
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So in your opinion, there is never any reason why such mental health professionals should express their opinion about the suspected mental illness of a leader who has the ability to end the world as we know it unless that leader presents themselves in the office of said professional?
 
haymarket said:
So in your opinion, there is never any reason why such mental health professionals should express their opinion about the suspected mental illness of a leader who has the ability to end the world as we know it unless that leader presents themselves in the office of said professional?
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They can express their non-medical views as citizens, as can we all, but they cross the line into unethical territory when they offer public medical diagnoses without a proper medical foundation. And medical diagnoses are always confidential in any case. When they go public they reduce themselves to mere propagandists.
 
haymarket said:
It certainly is a indication of many positive things in our society which are prized and treasured in a professional and the opinion they have- regardless if you like it or not.
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It is a marker for a successful career, nothing more.
 
haymarket said:
Love of country is NOT partisan hackery.
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Then you should have no problem explaining to me exactly how an unfounded diagnosis smearing the president equates with love of country.


It says much about your own position that would wrongly view it that way simply to attack me personally.
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Don't pull that personal attack crap on me. You do it all the time to others. All the time. And then run away with an arrogant assertion that YOU, at least, are above such things. It's disingenuous in the extreme. You just did it in the previous post to me. The effect of the content was, "Who are YOU to dispute a Harvard professor?"
First, you don't know who I am. Second, I don't have to be anybody in particular to know BS when I see it.
 
humbolt said:
Then you should have no problem explaining to me exactly how an unfounded diagnosis smearing the president equates with love of country.




Don't pull that personal attack crap on me. You do it all the time to others. All the time. And then run away with an arrogant assertion that YOU, at least, are above such things. It's disingenuous in the extreme. You just did it in the previous post to me. The effect of the content was, "Who are YOU to dispute a Harvard professor?"
First, you don't know who I am. Second, I don't have to be anybody in particular to know BS when I see it.
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The diagnosis is NOT unfounded.
And it does not smear anyone as it is truth.

I never said "who are you to dispute a Harvard Professor?" I asked you what your mental health credentials are compared to the person who you take strong issue with.

here it is

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So what are your credentials as a mental health professional and how do they compare to the Doctor of Medicine who is a Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School?
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