Prostitution poll

[joko104]

So fire the cops and throw them in jail

Get the drug addict into rehab.

The addict will be safe if prostitution is legalized as well as fairly wealthy

You would force her to become a criminal and place her at the mercy of crooked cops or pimps





What's best for her ?

Enter a criminal, underground occupation where she can't seek help

or

Enter a legal, well paid occupation - one small downside is you don't approve of it. I think she'll live with that.

If prostitution is legal, it is the prostitute's word against the cops - and before you even get to that, she has to be willing to be exposed to everything from arrest to giving up her drug usage to being killed.

You are a study in lack of integrity in your message. I have nothing against prostitutes whatsoever. I worked with prostitutes every working day for over decade, many became friends. I've physically protected them in the most literal sense and time to time very seriously physically hurt men who had hurt one of them. All you want to do is imprison and humiliate them.

The only thing you want to do is create a huge collection of new criminal laws against prostitutes because you are afraid of them and are by your messages a government control freak wanting to put the government into the pimping business - backed up by jails and prisons which even a pimp doesn't have such power.

Your absurdly claim that prostitution is a "well paid occupation" is because you sexualize women in super model fantasy and believe Hollywood movies are reality. You have no clue about the realities of prostitution. Most are not gorgeous. Most are not perfect figure. Most do not have beautiful faces. Most are not young. Most are into drugs. Not 1 in 1000 are "well paid," nor worth being well paid. Not 1 in 1000 would do any of the control freak rules would want to control and punish them with.

What controls do you want put on people who hire prostitutes? Same rules? FIRST get a license? First get an STDs test (and another every month)? Put themselves into the public registry as going to prostitutes? Fill out paperwork of how much they paid prostitutes and how many? Of course not, this is just your fantasizing about cool brothels of fabulous women - and wanting all other prostitutes imprisoned because they don't meet your standards and won't let you/the government control them.

You are who wants to put prostitutes in prison, not me. I just want a misdemeanor law so:
1. They are off the streets for everyone's sake - from kids to themselves and
2. Because I oppose sex trafficking prostitution rings so want that misdemeanor law to use for this.

You want a huge collection of criminal laws, bureaucratic requirements and demand publicly exposing anyone who is a prostitute in a lifelong record for their family, potential future employers, future spouse, children and grandchildren - because you think they are trash and want them all publicly humiliated for the rest of their lives.

It doesn't cost that much to fly to Nevada. You can see your wonderful brothels of women that cost hundreds of dollars there. Of course, it should be required that your name as someone who went to prostitutes should be put permanently online for any to see now and forever. That's what you demand be done to prostitutes - all of them.

 

[joko104]

The Nevada brothel system has also been criticized by activists in the sex worker rights movement, who are otherwise supporters of full decriminalization of prostitution.[60][61] Organizations and individuals supporting the rights of prostitutes typically favor deregulation and oppose Nevada-style regulation, mainly for three reasons:[62]

the licensing requirements create a permanent record which can lead to discrimination later on;
the large power difference between brothel owner and prostitute gives prostitutes very little influence over their working conditions;
while prostitutes undergo legal and health background checks, their customers do not; the regulations are thus designed to protect customers, not prostitutes.
Teri, a prostitute who has worked in a Nevada brothel (and who would like prostitution to be decriminalized), stated that "The brothel owners are worse than any pimp. They abuse and imprison women and are fully protected by the state".[63]

Another former prostitute who worked in four Nevada brothels attacked the system, saying, "Under this system, prostitutes give up too much autonomy, control and choice over their work and lives" and "While the brothel owners love this profitable solution, it can be exploitative and is unnecessary". She described how the women were subject to various exaggerated restrictions, including making it very difficult for them to refuse clients, not being allowed to read books while waiting for customers, and having to deal with doctors who had a "patronizing or sexist attitude" (the brothels discouraged and in many cases forbade prostitutes to see doctors of their own choosing).[64]

In an article published in The Guardian in 2007, anti-prostitution campaigner, Julie Bindel wrote: "If you believe their PR, Nevada's legal brothels are safe, healthy – even fun – places in which to work. So why do so many prostitutes tell such horrific tales of abuse?"[65]

In her 2007 report, Prostitution and trafficking in Nevada: making the connections, anti-prostitution activist Melissa Farley presents the results of numerous interviews with brothel owners and prostitutes, she says that most brothel prostitutes are controlled by outside pimps and that they suffer widespread abuse by brothel owners and customers.[66][67] Farley said that "What happens in legal brothels is sexual harassment, sexual exploitation and sometimes rape";[68] she also said more than 80% of the women she had interviewed told her they wanted to leave prostitution.

Notice all the citations as proof

Prostitution in Nevada - Wikipedia

 

[joko104]

A shorter version is prostitutes rights groups HATE all the regulations and rules those who claim regulations equate to "legalization." They want DECRIMINALIZATION, not a massive stake of new criminal regulator laws against prostitutes falsely called legalization.

I do not support total decriminalization. I support keeping it off the streets via a ticket-level misdemeanor for everyone's sake - particularly young teens - and so law enforcement has a tool to arrest sex traffickers and forced prostitution rings in a way that does NOT expose those victims to retaliation nor otherwise puts them at risk. Without prostitution remaining a minor misdemeanor, might as well not bother trying to stop sex trafficking.

IN FACT, in every country that has legalized prostitution - replacing it with regulated prostitution - sex trafficking skyrockets and for obvious reasons.

 

[joko104]

Nope. Safer for women and men.

I suppose putting lots and lots of prostitutes in jails and prisons for all the new criminal laws you want against prostitution could be argued protects people who hire prostitutes by making less available - if accepting your premise that prostitutes victimize their customers. Then at least that is theoretically accurate. But don't be such a joke as to claim you help prostitutes by imprisoning them and publicly exposing them as a prostitute for the rest of their lives like you want to all prostitutes.

I'll ask again. Do you think "PROSTITUTE" should also be tattooed on their foreheads, or just forever searchable online? Have to wear a big red P badge everyone can see? Which one is it?

MOST prostitutes give up the profession and most quickly. Most are not full time and it is opportunistic. Most will eventually marry and have kids. Few of their spouses and even less of their children will ever know. BUT YOU DEMAND EVERYONE MUST KNOW by trying to force them to register as a prostitute. You want to make sure everyone knows who those damnable dirty prostitute are and everyone who ever was.

What you want is as hateful and harmful to prostitutes as it gets.

As for your "friendship" with prostitutes, you made it VERY clear you would ONLY be friends with prostitutes who are young, gorgeous and make over ten thousand dollars a month.

You made it very clear you would have NOTHING to do with the other 99% of prostitutes hoping to do another BJ in someone's car for $10 or $20. They are FAR too below you. You want those prostitutes in prison.

My experiences and friendship was with that other 99% you are too high up over them to even talk to them, other than some of that 99% were attractive exotic dancers - but still not your ten thousand dollar a month beauties. So you fight against the 99% you wanted nothing to do with. Those are who I (literally) fought to protect.

Unlike you, I don't want to harm, trash or expose any of your likely less than 1% brothel prostitutes. You want to put the 99% I knew and know who are trying to figure how to pay their rent in jail because they aren't good enough for you.

 

[vegas giants]

I suppose putting lots and lots of prostitutes in jails and prisons for all the new criminal laws you want against prostitution could be argued protects people who hire prostitutes by making less available - if accepting your premise that prostitutes victimize their customers. Then at least that is theoretically accurate. But don't be such a joke as to claim you help prostitutes by imprisoning them and publicly exposing them as a prostitute for the rest of their lives like you want to all prostitutes.

I'll ask again. Do you think "PROSTITUTE" should also be tattooed on their foreheads, or just forever searchable online? Have to wear a big red P badge everyone can see? Which one is it?

MOST prostitutes give up the profession and most quickly. Most are not full time and it is opportunistic. Most will eventually marry and have kids. Few of their spouses and even less of their children will ever know. BUT YOU DEMAND EVERYONE MUST KNOW by trying to force them to register as a prostitute. You want to make sure everyone knows who those damnable dirty prostitute are and everyone who ever was.

What you want is as hateful and harmful to prostitutes as it gets.

As for your "friendship" with prostitutes, you made it VERY clear you would ONLY be friends with prostitutes who are young, gorgeous and make over ten thousand dollars a month.

You made it very clear you would have NOTHING to do with the other 99% of prostitutes hoping to do another BJ in someone's car for $10 or $20. They are FAR too below you. You want those prostitutes in prison.

My experiences and friendship was with that other 99% you are too high up over them to even talk to them, other than some of that 99% were attractive exotic dancers - but still not your ten thousand dollar a month beauties. So you fight against the 99% you wanted nothing to do with. Those are who I (literally) fought to protect.

Unlike you, I don't want to harm, trash or expose any of your likely less than 1% brothel prostitutes. You want to put the 99% I knew and know who are trying to figure how to pay their rent in jail because they aren't good enough for you.

Dude you support prostitution. I just want it regulated to make it safe for everyone. Sex worker unions want all this too.


Let the prostitutes decide how to regulate the profession.



But every profession is regulated

 

[joko104]

I've treated prostitutes how I think they should be treated. Kept off the streets. Kept safe. Kept out of jail. Protected their privacy.

Why don't all you regulators DO want you claim you want to do to prostitutes and future ex-prostitutes. Posting on a forum is nothing.

For example, go to an adult book store and look for old video tapes and CDs with a copyright at least 10 years old. American only. Then, being how intelligent you are, I bet you could do searching to figure out who some of those women really are in real life. Maybe call the company that made the CD, saying you'd like to hire them for a movie.

Then, when you find out her real name, her likely now married and with children - so foully and unthinkably to you not having told them or others she was a prostitute:

You can do what you say should happen to protect people:

1. You can DOX her online (not illegal to do and not on this forum), posting the porn video of her online, with her real name as the best way to make certain her children and grandchildren eventually find out, since you can't give children the video - watching grandma TPing with 3 guys so you can obtain your goal of informing them who she REALLY was,
2. send a copy of the video to her husband, parents, employer, and
3. mail to her neighbors a video link to the porn video DOXing her to expose her for the prostitute she was, which you claim everyone must know.

Stop just posting. Walk the walk of what you want in regards to prostitutes. Prove you mean what you post by actually pursuing it. You can't do it nationally thru government, but you can be the crusader you want to be - one ex-prostitute at a time.

PS. Don't physically stalk her or directly harass her as that would be a crime. And check laws on how far you can go DOXing someone first too - don't break any laws.
Within law do what you want to expose that she was a prostitute since that is one of the goals you say you want in licensing. Of course, I've repeatedly states how evil and despicable what you want to do against prostitutes is for my opinion of it.

 

[vegas giants]

I've treated prostitutes how I think they should be treated. Kept off the streets. Kept safe. Kept out of jail. Protected their privacy.

Why don't all you regulators DO want you claim you want to do to prostitutes and future ex-prostitutes. Posting on a forum is nothing.

For example, go to an adult book store and look for old video tapes and CDs with a copyright at least 10 years old. American only. Then, being how intelligent you are, I bet you could do searching to figure out who some of those women really are in real life. Maybe call the company that made the CD, saying you'd like to hire them for a movie.

Then, when you find out her real name, her likely now married and with children - so foully and unthinkably to you not having told them or others she was a prostitute:

You can do what you say should happen to protect people:

1. You can DOX her online, posting the porn video her online, with her real name as the best way to make certain her children and grandchildren eventually find out, since you can't give children the video - watching grandma TPing with 3 guys so you can obtain your goal of informing them who she REALLY was,
2. send a copy of the video to her husband, parents, employer, and
3. mail to her neighbors a video link to the porn video DOXing her to expose her for the prostitute she was, which you claim everyone must know.

Stop just posting. Walk the walk of what you want in regards to prostitutes. Prove you mean what you post by actually pursuing it. You can't do it nationally thru government, but you can be the crusader you want to be - one ex-prostitute at a time.

Regulation always make a profession safer for everyone. It is in fact the most point of regulation. That adult bookstore is regulated. Every profession is. It brings legitimacy to the profession

 

[joko104]

Dude you support prostitution. I just want it regulated to make it safe for everyone. Sex worker unions want all this too.

Let the prostitutes decide how to regulate the profession.

But every profession is regulated

Tell me the percentage of non-brothel "sex worker union" members there are? Why waste anyone's time talking about prostitute unions.

I say we should let gun owners decide how they and guns are regulated, don't you? Doctors, lawyers, cops, teachers all should regulate themselves and say what regulations they want enforced by fines and prison. :lamo

I can tell you the answer: NONE. Not on THEM. ONLY on other people. Sex workers don't say "PLEASE, PLEASE pass laws that could put ME in jail." When people want regulations it is ONLY on other people. SO, once again I'll comment none have yet stated ONE regulation they want on people who hire prostitutes. This is ALL about regulations AGAINST prostitutes.

You aren't really trying to say everyone in every job is licensed and regulated, are you? I won't waste time on that absurd claim.

Again, not 1 in 1000 prostitutes would do any of it.

 

[vegas giants]

Tell me the percentage of non-brothel "sex worker union" members there are? Why waste anyone's time talking about prostitute unions.

I say we should let gun owners decide how they and guns are regulated, don't you? Doctors, lawyers, cops, teachers all should regulate themselves and say what regulations they want enforced by fines and prison. :lamo

I can tell you the answer: NONE. Not on THEM. ONLY on other people. Sex workers don't say "PLEASE, PLEASE pass laws that could put ME in jail." When people want regulations it is ONLY on other people. SO, once again I'll comment none have yet stated ONE regulation they want on people who hire prostitutes. This is ALL about regulations AGAINST prostitutes.

You aren't really trying to say everyone in every job is licensed and regulated, are you? I won't waste time on that absurd claim.

Again, not 1 in 1000 prostitutes would do any of it.

How can they have a union if the profession is illegal? Lol


Legalize it and regulate it like every other profession


Do you want all professions to be unregulated......or just this one?

 

[joko104]

Why do you hate women? Why dont you want them to be safe?


Legalize prostitution and regulate it. Men and women will both be safer and happier


Legalize it

Your messages intensely oppose legalization wanting a pile of new criminal laws against prostitutes.

You also want any woman who isn't drop dead gorgeous worth $300 for 30 minutes run out of the business and if not, imprisoned because they are far, far to low for anyone - or at least you - to even just talk to.

You won't admit it, of course, but I am certain all those $10,000+ a month brothel prostitutes you claim confided in you truthful as dear friends weren't black(if any of that was true). 90+% of those I knew and know were/are black. I suspect you're rather be dead than seen with an overweight mid age-40s black prostitute. You have your image to worry about!

 

[vegas giants]

Your messages intensely oppose legalization wanting a pile of new criminal laws against prostitutes.

You also want any woman who isn't drop dead gorgeous worth $300 for 30 minutes run out of the business and if not, imprisoned because they are far, far to low for anyone - or at least you - to even just talk to.

You won't admit it, of course, but I am certain all those $10,000+ a month brothel prostitutes you claim confided in you truthful as dear friends weren't black(if any of that was true). 90+% of those I knew and know were/are black. I suspect you're rather be dead than seen with an overweight mid age-40s black prostitute. You have your image to worry about!

What other professions do you want to be unregulated?

Porn industry and strippers are regulated but not prostitutes???


If a woman is giving a bj on a parking lot....should she be arrested?

 

[joko104]

What other professions do you want to be unregulated?

Porn industry and strippers are regulated but not prostitutes???


If a woman is giving a bj on a parking lot....should she be arrested?

So you claim that before being a porn movie, the person FIRST would have to get a porn license, get STDs tested and fill out government paper work?

If a prostitute is giving a bj in a parking lot I think she/he should be told to take it indoors as a warning. The second time s/he should be written a ticket. If she doesn't pay or show up or if she does it a 3rd time, I think s/he should be taken to jail for the night. If she didn't pay the fine or show up, that is a night in jail. Thereafter, if caught again it's another night in jail.

For the club I worked at, the hookers were run off the street. They could be in the club. They could be elsewhere. But not on the block the club was on. This was a very tough and rough area. If she told one the male employees (bouncer, enforcer, checker, and/or thug) to go to hell, he would go inside and tell one of the female employees. A couple or more of them would go outside, give her one last chance - explaining to refuse means being banned from the club and property - and if that didn't work they would probably drag her down the street by her hair, tearing her clothing while shoving and slapping her around. Maybe in 14 years it came to that maybe 3 times.

Women of the club, prostitutes or not, also were protected by the club, not the police. Harming a prostitute or woman of the club was not a police matter, it was a matter for the club. This made it particularly safe for the women in that neighborhood and one of many reasons the club was so successful and profitable, though there were other reasons.

NO ONE, ever, called the police no matter what happened. Everything was deal with by the club. Everything. Someone beat up, slashed, stabbed, raped, abused, the club dealt with it. But at least a third of the men and probably over half were felons, most on probation and quite a few with outstanding warrants. Some of the women too.

That is ALL I want done to any prostitute. Keep them off the street. If you are an adult at least 21 and you want to take whatever risks there are going to prostitutes, it is risk they can take. Prostitution is an extremely dangerous profession and no laws could ever change that due to the nature of who hires prostitutes and then being alone with that person, with that mostly applying to female prostitutes but also can apply to males. Most prostitutes - male or female - are hired by men.

I don't care about high dollar escorts or brothels. That is something entire different from middle to bottom attractiveness quickie hookers - which most prostitutes are.

 

[GreatNews2night]

When a person repeatedly demonstrates they have NO intellectual integrity in their messages not only in the same message but even the same paragraph, it is pointless to continue the discussion.

In that paragraph, you claim that decriminalizing drugs eliminated all drug arrests, claiming therefore this proves you are correct in wanting to add many criminal regulations against prostitutes that do not now exist.

It would not be possible no matter how hard you tried to more contradict yourself in that paragraph. So why should I waste any more time on you?

Look, I won't waste any more time with you either, because at this point, insisting in a fallacy, you're just trolling.

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[joko104]

I think I am the only one who sometimes mentions male prostitutes, which supports my certainty that people writing on this formed their opinion of what the diverse world of prostitution is based upon Hollywood movies, the occasional white female escort on TV in an interview telling of making astronomically amounts of money at a great job, and mostly from watching porn online. That all prostitutes are very desirable women. :lol:

But what they ignore in porn is what porn they also know exists. Abuse porn. Rape porn. Torture porn. Sadistic porn. The only reason there is such porn is there are people - nearly all male - for which that is what works best for their libido. Most such men probably wouldn't do it for real - but while masterbating they are than man in their fantasy head. Some will not just fantasize but are men who do such things and that is one aspect that makes prostitution so extremely dangerous. I've already posted the astronomical crime statistics against prostitutes. Having a prostitution license and STD test result in their purse or pocket would not reduce that by even 1 less assault. It is stupid to think otherwise.

Am I the only person who has taken prostitutes to a hospital or clinic after being severely beaten? Slashed? Broken bone? Only one who has physically defended prostitutes with violence for their violence? Even be a woman's revenge - prostitute or not? At least a third of your friends are or were prostitutes? Really have any clue what 99% of prostitution really is?

Are you SO infatuated with the rare brothels and beautiful escort ads you can't even acknowledge the other 99+% of what prostitution is? Prostitutes for the working guy who has a spare $20 bill - unwisely not offering $10 instead - or is willing to trade a drug hit for a BJ? If you are willing to go for someone fat, ugly and old enough, you can get a BJ back in the bathroom for a highball drink or half a pack of cigs.

ANYONE who compares hookers to doctors has NO clue what they are talking about. It's like trying to compare a meth head high school dropout to a PhD physicist professor.

 

[bongsaway]

If you're a guy, in some way shape or form you pay.

 

[joko104]

Look, I won't waste any more time with you either, because at this point, insisting in a fallacy, you're just trolling.

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Pointing out your internal message contradictions and how your messages are detached from reality isn't trolling.

 

[joko104]

If you're a guy, in some way shape or form you pay.

That is a different topic and there is merit in it, only it can be the other way between opposite sexes - or even the same sexes.

That is another reason I oppose all these new criminal regulations and rules - claiming creating more criminal laws is legalization. Just keep it off the street. On the street it's too dangerous for teenage boys and too dangerous for the hookers. Otherwise, leave them alone.

"Get a prostitution license?" :roll:

Then make every adult get one so not to have to argue what is and isn't legally considered prostitution ala your point. Prostitutes aren't the only promiscuous people exposed to and spreading STDs or at risk or making the risk of violence and crime.

Why not require every adult get a "sex license" and require monthly STD testing?

 

[bongsaway]

That is a different topic and there is merit in it, only it can be the other way between opposite sexes - or even the same sexes.

That is another reasons I oppose all these new criminal regulations and rules - claiming creating more criminal laws is legalization. Just keep it off the street. On the street it's too dangerous for teenage boys and too dangerous for the hookers. Otherwise, leave them alone.

"Get a prostitution license?" :roll:

Then make every adult get one so not to have to argue what is and isn't legally considered prostitution ala your point.

Being a straight guy that's the point of view I see it from, however I do get your point.

I'm all for making it legal. As an adult, I want to be treated as an adult. I don't need my local, state or federal government telling me what's good for me.

 

[vegas giants]

So you claim that before being a porn movie, the person FIRST would have to get a porn license, get STDs tested and fill out government paper work?

If a prostitute is giving a bj in a parking lot I think she/he should be told to take it indoors as a warning. The second time s/he should be written a ticket. If she doesn't pay or show up or if she does it a 3rd time, I think s/he should be taken to jail for the night. If she didn't pay the fine or show up, that is a night in jail. Thereafter, if caught again it's another night in jail.

For the club I worked at, the hookers were run off the street. They could be in the club. They could be elsewhere. But not on the block the club was on. This was a very tough and rough area. If she told one the male employees (bouncer, enforcer, checker, and/or thug) to go to hell, he would go inside and tell one of the female employees. A couple or more of them would go outside, give her one last chance - explaining to refuse means being banned from the club and property - and if that didn't work they would probably drag her down the street by her hair, tearing her clothing while shoving and slapping her around. Maybe in 14 years it came to that maybe 3 times.

Women of the club, prostitutes or not, also were protected by the club, not the police. Harming a prostitute or woman of the club was not a police matter, it was a matter for the club. This made it particularly safe for the women in that neighborhood and one of many reasons the club was so successful and profitable, though there were other reasons.

NO ONE, ever, called the police no matter what happened. Everything was deal with by the club. Everything. Someone beat up, slashed, stabbed, raped, abused, the club dealt with it. But at least a third of the men and probably over half were felons, most on probation and quite a few with outstanding warrants. Some of the women too.

That is ALL I want done to any prostitute. Keep them off the street. If you are an adult at least 21 and you want to take whatever risks there are going to prostitutes, it is risk they can take. Prostitution is an extremely dangerous profession and no laws could ever change that due to the nature of who hires prostitutes and then being alone with that person, with that mostly applying to female prostitutes but also can apply to males. Most prostitutes - male or female - are hired by men.

I don't care about high dollar escorts or brothels. That is something entire different from middle to bottom attractiveness quickie hookers - which most prostitutes are.

Porn actors are regulated. They must get tested monthly and pay taxes. And they are not abused. It should be the same for prostitutes.


I will ask again



What other professions do you think should not be regulated?

 

[Peter King]

That is a different topic and there is merit in it, only it can be the other way between opposite sexes - or even the same sexes.

That is another reason I oppose all these new criminal regulations and rules - claiming creating more criminal laws is legalization. Just keep it off the street. On the street it's too dangerous for teenage boys and too dangerous for the hookers. Otherwise, leave them alone.

"Get a prostitution license?" :roll:

Then make every adult get one so not to have to argue what is and isn't legally considered prostitution ala your point. Prostitutes aren't the only promiscuous people exposed to and spreading STDs or at risk or making the risk of violence and crime.

Why not require every adult get a "sex license" and require monthly STD testing?

Prostitution license is not needed IMO. They do have to register at the tax man as a private business where they pay taxes and get all the benefits of the tax system (like writing off legitimate business costs). The only thing they should get is a health reports that needs to be kept at their place of business. That health report (or the certificate of good health) needs to be renewed every 2 or 3 months. They should be seen as independent contractors/small businesses. And of course only allowed to work as a prostitute if older than 21, no younger women should be allowed to work as a prostitute.

 

[Rich2018]

If prostitution is legal, it is the prostitute's word against the cops...

A sad indictment of our justice system and totally irrelevant as to whether prostitution should be legal
Less likely to happen in a state with legalized prostitution though

...you are a study in lack of integrity in your message....

You're using the possibility of illegal exploitation by crooked cops as a reason against legalizing prostitution and you're talking of integrity ?
Don't make me laugh

... I have nothing against prostitutes...all you want to do is imprison and humiliate them....

What?

How is advocating the decriminalization of prostitution a wish to imprison them

You speak of protecting prostitutes yet advocate making/keeping them as criminals and yet you talk of integrity

...the only thing you want to do is create a huge collection of new criminal laws against prostitutes...

Are you totally unable to read or comprehend something like the decriminalization or legalization (ie: scrapping said laws)

...your absurdly claim that prostitution is a "well paid occupation"

Absurdly ?

It is well paid where it's legal



"...all but the smallest brothels operate as follows: as the customer is buzzed in and sits down in the parlor, the available women appear in a line-up and introduce themselves. If the customer chooses a woman, the price negotiations, which are often overheard by management, take place in the woman's room. Typical prices start in the hundreds. Some may charge up to $10,000 an hour for "specialty parties" with well-known or novelty women, or more for parties with multiple women...."


Prostitution in Nevada - Wikipedia

...what controls do you want put on people who hire prostitutes?

You mean the client or the brothel owner ?


Nevada law would seem a place to start

...you are who wants to put prostitutes in prison, not me....you want a huge collection of criminal laws...

That's the second time you've made this false claim

In which post do you claim it? Check back and apologise

...it doesn't cost that much to fly to Nevada...

What's your criteria for "cost much" ?

...it should be required that your name as someone who went to prostitutes should be put permanently online for any to see now and forever....

Why is that if it's legal ?

Would you advocate such a registry for a similar act like church attendance ?

 

[Rich2018]

The Nevada brothel system has also been criticized by activists...

the licensing requirements create a permanent record which can lead to discrimination later on;

So scrap the licensing or do it better and make it illegal for a prospective employer to inquire about it...like spent criminal convictions in many states

...the large power difference between brothel owner and prostitute gives prostitutes very little influence over their working conditions;

So regulate brothels better and improve working conditions, you would do this for a restaurant, why not a brothel ?

...while prostitutes undergo legal and health background checks, their customers do not; the regulations are thus designed to protect customers, not prostitutes...

Hence the regular medical checks on prostitutes and the advice they use some form of protection like a condom.

At least in a legal system, the prostitutes are medically checked. Not so if you keep it illegal

...Teri, a prostitute who has worked in a Nevada brothel stated "The brothel owners are worse than any pimp. They abuse and imprison women and are fully protected by the state".

So you advocate greater regulation to protect people like Teri
How long did you search for this ? Why didn't you post the positive parts ?

...another former prostitute (said) "Under this system, prostitutes give up too much autonomy, control and choice over their work and lives" ...

So what greater regulation is required ? Did she say ?

...prostitution activist Melissa Farley presents the results of numerous interviews with brothel owners and prostitutes, she says that most brothel prostitutes are controlled by outside pimps and that they suffer widespread abuse by brothel owners and customers. Farley said that "What happens in legal brothels is sexual harassment, sexual exploitation and sometimes rape"; she also said more than 80% of the women she had interviewed told her they wanted to leave prostitution.

She makes a good case for better regulation wouldn't you say ?

...all the citations as proof...

That better regulation is required...OK case made.

 

[joko104]

A sad indictment of our justice system and totally irrelevant as to whether prostitution should be legal
Less likely to happen in a state with legalized prostitution though





You're using the possibility of illegal exploitation by crooked cops as a reason against legalizing prostitution and you're talking of integrity ?
Don't make me laugh




What?

How is advocating the decriminalization of prostitution a wish to imprison them

You speak of protecting prostitutes yet advocate making/keeping them as criminals and yet you talk of integrity





Are you totally unable to read or comprehend something like the decriminalization or legalization (ie: scrapping said laws)





Absurdly ?

It is well paid where it's legal



"...all but the smallest brothels operate as follows: as the customer is buzzed in and sits down in the parlor, the available women appear in a line-up and introduce themselves. If the customer chooses a woman, the price negotiations, which are often overheard by management, take place in the woman's room. Typical prices start in the hundreds. Some may charge up to $10,000 an hour for "specialty parties" with well-known or novelty women, or more for parties with multiple women...."


Prostitution in Nevada - Wikipedia





You mean the client or the brothel owner ?


Nevada law would seem a place to start




That's the second time you've made this false claim

In which post do you claim it? Check back and apologise




What's your criteria for "cost much" ?





Why is that if it's legal ?

Would you advocate such a registry for a similar act like church attendance ?

I understand on legalities you don't care about reality, just how you want things to work in a fantasy reality as for your comment about cop's word versus a drug addict 18 year old forced into "legal" prostitution.

If you can't afford airline tickets to Vegas from within the USA, you can't afford going to a Nevada brothel.

I already posted how many former brothel prostitutes and prostitute rights groups do NOT want what you want. They want legalization, period, not trying to force prostitutes into brothels, often reducing them to little more than sex slaves and having to give a BIG piece of the money instead to the brothel owner.

You certainly are willing to give someone else 50% of your take-home paycheck for your work - and more to others plus another layer of taxes and fees for your employment, correct? And are certain that a woman doing a $10 BJ in a bar would gladly give $5 of it to the bar, another $1 tip to the employees of the bar, $1 for government licensing and fees, and $1 in government taxes - keeping $1 of the $10. She can use that $1 to pay her federal income taxes - keeping 25 cents.



Yeah, you're on prostitute's side. :roll:

Hell, don't rant. Just go to a brothel. Nothing is stopping you. I am not debating brothels. Just spend $300 or $400 for the airline ticket and another $500 to $100 for 30 minutes in the brothel - of which maybe if lucky the prostitute's final share is 1/3rd.
'It's like you sign a contract to be raped' | US news | The Guardian

And those women LOVE being with the men. That's why 80% desperately want out from their "Contract to be raped" as one put it. A far percentage of prostitutes for males personally are lesbians. For those who are not, many to most are bisexual. I may comment on that for curiosity sake, not to argue.

There is no ethics in all the requirements you want for prostitutes without having the same requirements - if not more - for those who use a prostitute. Prostitutes are FAR more at risk than men who hire them.

If prostitutes are required to be licensed and tested routinely for STDs, do you also want that required of men who go to prostitutes? Women and gay men far more easily contract HIV and internal STDs than do men having straight sex with a woman. The men who use prostitutes are far more likely to be spreading STDs and the prostitutes far more likely to be infected by someone with HIV.

 

[joko104]

So scrap the licensing or do it better and make it illegal for a prospective employer to inquire about it...like spent criminal convictions in many states

So regulate brothels better and improve working conditions, you would do this for a restaurant, why not a brothel ?

Hence the regular medical checks on prostitutes and the advice they use some form of protection like a condom.

At least in a legal system, the prostitutes are medically checked. Not so if you keep it illegal

So you advocate greater regulation to protect people like Teri
How long did you search for this ? Why didn't you post the positive parts ?

So what greater regulation is required ? Did she say ?

She makes a good case for better regulation wouldn't you say ?

That better regulation is required...OK case made.

Hell would freeze over before you would demand getting a license to be with a prostitute, including requiring pre-license and quarterly STD testing, or so it seems. Obviously you ONLY care about John's not getting an STD, not about John's giving STDs to prostitutes - meaning STDs are being spread anyway. 100% of prostitutes know about condoms.

If Nevada brothel operations are not good enough, what make you think a sleazy bar owner would act better? Seriously, if state licensed and regulated brothels are a disaster for prostitutes, you conclude "more! we need lots and lots more regulations! MORE CRIMINAL LAWS!" I conclude it confirms this we'd make prostitution a wonderful profession if the government goes into the pimp build piling criminal laws on prostitutes - calling it "legalization" is crap. The more the government becomes the controlling pimp, the worse it will get.

I don't understand your point highlighting $10,000. What is your point? Some women win the lottery too. So becoming a professional lottery player is a great career decision?

I gather you absolutely refuse to even discuss street, back alley, back room and back seat cheap hookers - 99% of prostitution.

 

[vegas giants]

Hell would freeze over before you would demand getting a license to be with a prostitute, including requiring pre-license and quarterly STD testing, or so it seems. Obviously you ONLY care about John's not getting an STD, not about John's giving STDs to prostitutes - meaning STDs are being spread anyway. 100% of prostitutes know about condoms.

If Nevada brothel operations are not good enough, what make you think a sleazy bar owner would act better?

I gather you absolutely refuse to even discuss street, back alley, back room and back seat cheap hookers - 99% of prostitution.

What other professions do you want to not be regulated?