Prostitution poll

[vegas giants]

Or you could have just posted "none." :roll:

I told you my experience. I have also met prostitutes that loved what they did for a living in Las vegas.


Those are the facts

 

[joko104]

If it were legal, wouldn't OSHA be involved?

How? Put a camera in every car, every building, every trailer, every alley and every bar in the country, 10 billion cameras watched by 10 million OSHA inspectors?

Still again, the topic isn't brothels. The topic is all of prostitution. Even in Nevada, very little prostitution is in brothels. Only weird old men go to brothels. Most prostitutes are too low grade and too much into drugs to work in a brothel, nor would very many be needed for how few customers there are.

Granted, you might not have any problem with everyone you know learning you hire prostitutes nor any problem if everyone knew you are/were a prostitution (hypothetical), but virtually no man nor woman want it permanent public knowledge they have gone to prostitutes or were one. So there also is the extortion potential no intelligent man or woman would risk.

It is only a very, very small group of fairly odd men who will go to a brothel, pay brothel prices or accept the rules and limitations of conduct at a brothel. Most want fast, cheap and dirty sex - over in minutes. In the car. Out of the car. In the backroom. Out of the backroom. In the alley, out of the alley. THAT is the overwhelming bulk of prostitution. For most men, sex with a prostitute will last about as long as jacking off to porn, if not shorter.

Explain how OSHA has any relevancy to that. It doesn't. Also, involving OSHA, even if it could, would just be adding massive civil and criminal laws against prostitutes. Actually that could be an SNL skit - an OSHA inspector getting into the backseat of a old car to a drunk man getting a $20 BJ, from a hooker flying on meth saying "excuse me, but I need to see you current license, your operation manual, confirm you are using OSHA approved safety equipment, your accident log and your activities log book."

There are brothels across the border in Mexico. "Boys town." I was down there once. Women in rooms with no door and open air windows anyone can watch from, Mexican federal police about with machine guns. There were 4 of us guys. Hell no. It was interesting seeing, the floor shows were fun to watch, the hookers coming up saying "f_ckie f_ckie?" Drinks were cheap. We didn't stay long.

Would YOU go to a government licensed brothel for sex? If you were going to go to a prostitute, would you go to a licensed brothel with security cameras taking your picture? Would you pay by credit card to make certain this is documented that way too? Really, would you?

 

[joko104]

I told you my experience. I have also met prostitutes that loved what they did for a living in Las vegas.


Those are the facts

Nearly all prostitutes will tell potential johns they love their life. No one wants to hire a prostitute to listen to her whine about her life. :roll:

So, by your experience, what urgent reason did any of those women you talked to briefly need for what they do to be "legalized?" How many did you see arrested? Must have been a lot of them. Did they tell you how many times they had been arrested, since they were telling you their true self in confidence with you about their life's story - like that happened. :lol:

I'm curious. How did you come to have extensive heart felt private conversations with prostitutes opening up their life to you? Is there some come-meet-the-hookers gatherings I never heard of? I've been to Vegas half a dozen times. No prostitute ever approached me, not once.

There is no need to legalize prostitution. In fact, you just said so. They are all super happy the way things are according to you. So why do you want to mess that up for them? You decided you hate them? It is a minor misdemeanor at the worst and is usually used only to keep hookers off the streets in non redlight areas. That is my understanding how it works in Vegas. They can't work the casinos, major hotel lobbies or the street on the Strip. Advertise in personnel ads? No problem. Back street bars, ok. That is how it should work and that's how it does.

 

[vegas giants]

Nearly all prostitutes will tell potential johns they love their life. :roll:

I wasn't a potential John. Prostitutes have friends too you know.


Facts are facts

 

[vegas giants]

How? Put a camera in every car, every building, every trailer, every alley and every bar in the country, 10 billion cameras watched by 10 million OSHA inspectors?

Still again, the topic isn't brothels. The topic is all of prostitution. Even in Nevada, very little prostitution is in brothels. Only weird old men go to brothels. Most prostitutes are too low grade and too much into drugs to work in a brothel, nor would very many be needed for how few customers there are.

Granted, you might not have any problem with everyone you know learning you hire prostitutes nor any problem if everyone knew you are/were a prostitution (hypothetical), but virtually no man nor woman want it permanent public knowledge they have gone to prostitutes or were one. So there also is the extortion potential no intelligent man or woman would risk.

It is only a very, very small group of fairly odd men who will go to a brothel, pay brothel prices or accept the rules and limitations of conduct at a brothel. Most want fast, cheap and dirty sex - over in minutes. In the car. Out of the car. In the backroom. Out of the backroom. In the alley, out of the alley. THAT is the overwhelming bulk of prostitution. For most men, sex with a prostitute will last about as long as jacking off to porn, if not shorter.

Explain how OSHA has any relevancy to that. It doesn't. Also, involving OSHA, even if it could, would just be adding massive civil and criminal laws against prostitutes. Actually that could be an SNL skit - an OSHA inspector getting into the backseat of a old car to a drunk man getting a $20 BJ, from a hooker flying on meth saying "excuse me, but I need to see you current license, your operation manual, confirm you are using OSHA approved safety equipment, your accident log and your activities log book."

There are brothels across the border in Mexico. "Boys town." I was down there once. Women in rooms with no door and open air windows anyone can watch from, Mexican federal police about with machine guns. There were 4 of us guys. Hell no. It was interesting seeing, the floor shows were fun to watch, the hookers coming up saying "f_ckie f_ckie?" Drinks were cheap. We didn't stay long.

Would YOU go to a government licensed brothel for sex? If you were going to go to a prostitute, would you go to a licensed brothel with security cameras taking your picture? Would you pay by credit card to make certain this is documented that way too? Really, would you?

Brothels make big money in Nevada

 

[joko104]

I wasn't a potential John. Prostitutes have friends too you know.


Facts are facts

Every adult male is a potential John.

 

[joko104]

Brothels make big money in Nevada

Why don't you move there and open one?

 

[vegas giants]

Every adult male is a potential John.

You can speak for yourself. When prostitutes spoke to you this was also true

 

[roguenuke]

I am not in any way required to have hired or been a prostitute (or plan to in the future) to have an opinion about the legality of prostitution.

By the way, your options don't apply to me at all. I have not been a prostitute, I have never hired a prostitute (nor do I plan to, I'm happily married). I don't have friends who are prostitutes (although I've had friends who have hired prostitutes and may have had friends who have been prostitutes without me knowing). I am married to someone who was never a prostitute. I hope to be married to him for many decades to come. Should that not work out, I would have no more problem marrying a prostitute than another military veteran or police officer or so many other different types of people who others may not approve of.

 

[joko104]

You can speak for yourself. When prostitutes spoke to you this was also true

In a sense that is true, yes, but in a way no, since I worked with them daily and there was also after work socialization with some - for months and years. They knew I didn't pay and knew I didn't need to for the nature of the club.

I didn't know you lived in Vegas at some point. Did they tell you how much they charge? Did they say they have wonderful pimps providing medical coverage and a matching 401K or such?

 

[joko104]

I am not in any way required to have hired or been a prostitute (or plan to in the future) to have an opinion about the legality of prostitution.

By the way, your options don't apply to me at all. I have not been a prostitute, I have never hired a prostitute (nor do I plan to, I'm happily married). I don't have friends who are prostitutes (although I've had friends who have hired prostitutes and may have had friends who have been prostitutes without me knowing). I am married to someone who was never a prostitute. I hope to be married to him for many decades to come. Should that not work out, I would have no more problem marrying a prostitute than another military veteran or police officer or so many other different types of people who others may not approve of.

Correct. Anyone can have an opinion. This is more for sampling and is not really to make any point. It's just interesting to know the perspective people are debating from. There is actually a different thread to debate legalization.

 

[vegas giants]

In a sense that is true, yes, but in a way no, since I worked with them daily and there was also after work socialization with some - for months and years. They knew I didn't pay and knew I didn't need to for the nature of the club.

I didn't know you lived in Vegas at some point. Did they tell you how much they charge? Did they say they have wonderful pimps providing medical coverage and a matching 401K or such?

I see you can be friends with them but I cant.


I lived in Vegas for 25 years.


I have seen it all


Many only come to nye county from another part of the country for a few weeks and make enough to live for 6 months. They loved it

 

[joko104]

I wasn't a potential John. Prostitutes have friends too you know.


Facts are facts

Most of this is subjective.

For example, is it a fact that there is no difference between some guy twice your strength on top of you, holding you down by our shoulders, slamming into your nuts and pumping your ass with his dick, maybe going to kiss you - which you can't stop - infecting you with TB and hepatitis, hoping the condom doesn't tear and he pulls out before he goes too limp - nothing you can do about it if he doesn't - and hoping he doesn't start beating you or choking you -

is no different than you playing a game of football being televised with thousands of spectators and half a dozen referees?

That is your claim, isn't it?

Do you favor legalizing poor people selling their body parts as a personal choice? That a 19 year old drug addict can sell a lung, a kidney, skin, an arm and eye... to buy drugs for his/her addiction as a matter of personal choice? That would be far less damaging than career football brain destruction.

You often claim a reason to outlaw guns is suicide. But isn't suicide also a personal choice?

 

[joko104]

I see you can be friends with them but I cant.


I lived in Vegas for 25 years.


I have seen it all


Many only come to nye county from another part of the country for a few weeks and make enough to live for 6 months. They loved it

Ok, you could have just said that upfront. No one's "seen it all." Certainly not you since you've only seen prostitutes making piles of money, all love being prostitutes and none ever harmed.

They all worked in brothels, correct? I mean they have to because that is the only place it's legal and you said it must be legalized and regulated. I am getting this right, aren't I?

 

[vegas giants]

Ok, you could have just said that upfront.

They all work in brothels, correct? I mean they have to because that is the only place it's legal and you said it must be legalized and regulated. I am getting this right, aren't I?

Yep.....

 

[vegas giants]

Most of this is subjective.

For example, is it a fact that there is no difference between some guy twice your strength on top of you, holding you down by our shoulders, slamming into your nuts and pumping your ass with his dick, maybe going to kiss you - which you can't stop - infecting you with TB and hepatitis, hoping the condom doesn't tear and he pulls out before he goes too limp - nothing you can do about it if he doesn't - and hoping he doesn't start beating you or choking you -

is no different than you playing a game of football being televised with thousands of spectators and half a dozen referees?

That is your claim, isn't it?

Do you favor legalizing poor people selling their body parts as a personal choice? That a 19 year old drug addict can sell a lung, a kidney, skin, an arm and eye... to buy drugs for his/her addiction as a matter of personal choice? That would be far less damaging than career football brain destruction.

You often claim a reason to outlaw guns is suicide. But isn't suicide also a personal choice?

You have very violent fantasies of sex. Sex is fun and prostitutes report they enjoy it. Who are you to tell them they can not do work they enjoy

 

[vegas giants]

I have a dozen more. Who are you to speak against them?


Sex Professionals of Canada*(SPOC) is a*Canadian*activism group. SPOC was formed in 1983 and campaigns through public education and legal challenges to decriminalize*Canadian prostitution laws.

HistoryEdit

Founded in 1983,[1]*SPOC has developed into a volunteer activist organization that is entirely run by sex workers. The organization stands "for the decriminalization of all forms of sex work in Canada" and relies on donations for financial support.[2]

According to the SPOC website, the organization's mission and principles are listed as:

SPOC is a volunteer run activist network that engages in advocacy and education.SPOC operates on the principle that all forms of consensual adult sex work are valid occupations.SPOC maintains that sex workers have the capacity for choice and our experiences are diverse.SPOC maintains that sex workers deserve labour rights, and occupational health and safety standards defined by sex workers themselves.SPOC members and associates oppose those who seek to ‘rescue’ sex workers using force or coercive measures including court imposed re-education/exit programs, jails or camps.[2]

 

[RAMOSS]

I have no idea what you mean.

STD's were Trumps Vietnam.. according to Trump.

 

[joko104]

Yep.....

OK, then we aren't debating at all since I'm not talking about brothels. If any state and locality wants to legalize brothels, while I don't think it's a good idea, I don't really seriously oppose it either.

I gather what you are really saying is you want laws passed that 1.) legalize opening brothels nationwide and 2.) has the government crushing any prostitute doing business outside of a government licensed and regulated brothel?

OR are you only talking about brothels and we aren't even talking about the same topic.

 

[vegas giants]

OK, then we aren't debating at all since I'm not talking about brothels. If any state and locality wants to legalize brothels, while I don't think it's a good idea, I don't really seriously oppose it either.

I gather what you are really saying is you want laws passed that 1.) legalize opening brothels nationwide and 2.) has the government crushing any prostitute doing business outside of a government licensed and regulated brothel?

OR are you only talking about brothels and we aren't even talking about the same topic.

Sex workers all over the world are organizing and demand rights. Who are you to tell them what they can do for a living if they are hurting no one?

 

[joko104]

You have very violent fantasies of sex. Sex is fun and prostitutes report they enjoy it. Who are you to tell them they can not do work they enjoy

I got it, you love brothels that mostly have unattractive, overweight drug addicted women who are happy as can be making huge sums of money. Any woman, any appearance, any weight and any age at least 18 can go to any brothel in Nevada and walk out a month later with $50K. Or so you claim.

 

[vegas giants]

I got it, you love brothels that mostly have unattractive, overweight drug addicted women who are happy as can be making huge sums of money. Any woman, any appearance, any weight and any age at least 18 can go to any brothel in Nevada and walk out a month later with $50K. Or so you claim.

I got it you hate women and have violent sex fantasies so assume all.men do.


Who are you to speak for adult women?

 

[joko104]

Sex workers all over the world are organizing and demand rights. Who are you to tell them what they can do for a living if they are hurting no one?

Sex workers are exposed to diseases and violent at levels no other profession is allowed to be exposed to. Again, at least then post you want OSHA abolished. This also means sex workers more expose customer to STDs than any other service employees. That's for starters.

Of course, not the brothel workers you talked to. You tested them all and none had any STDs.

There a probably a hundred thousand pages of regulations and rules that tell employees what they may and may not do including for reasons of safety of the employees.

THIS IS A SIMPLE QUESTION: Do you want blanket legalization of prostitution with no punitive laws, rules or regulations?

 

[vegas giants]

Sex workers are exposed to diseases and violent at levels no other profession is allowed to be exposed to. Again, at least then post you want OSHA abolished. This also means sex workers more expose customer to STDs than any other service employees. That's for starters.

Of course, not the brothel workers you talked to. You tested them all and none had any STDs.

There a probably a hundred thousand pages of regulations and rules that tell employees what they may and may not do including for reasons of safety of the employees.

THIS IS A SIMPLE QUESTION: Do you want blanket legalization of prostitution with no punitive laws, rules or regulations?

Medical workers are exposed to far more diseases than sex workers.


Your answer is no

 

[charliebrown]

I've never had any personal involvement, just professional chiefly from having been in LE.

From what I've seen a majority are involved in an abusive/exploitative relationship that often seems to center around drugs. I am aware there are probably exceptions to this, but I'm going by what I've seen.

Very sadly I recall a certain streetwalker I encountered on several occasions over the course of about five years. The first time I saw her she was a healthy-looking attractive young girl; my partner noted that she must not have been "in the business" for long.

Five years later, she appeared to have aged decades, looked very unhealthy and rough. She disappeared entirely soon after.

While in general I support people having the liberty to do with their body/self what they will (if it harm none), I am very uncertain whether legalizing prostitution would be a good idea overall. Something would have to be done about the exploitative aspects and risks. Like drugs, I hate seeing it does to people.

First, thanks for your service, front line work is much tougher than most understand or realize.

THere are multiple tears of prostitution from the top escort agencies commanding 10K per day to the street walkers abused by pimps or driven thru drug addiction. The upper end prostitution would make your head spin at how much wealth these women can accumulate with looks and brains. On the bottom end of the profession, it is a absolute nightmare where we really need to attach both pimps and drug dealers,

Most women go into prostitution thru desperation and that is because their families, friends, community, and legal system have failed them.

Please, Please, Please keep bashing in drug dealer heads whenever you run across them.