Wow! You are showing something natural of a human, hatred for something different than you. What exactly is wrong with America? Are we more realists than the rest of the world?
What? How is that showing hatred?
There are places in the world where people are living the ways that Goshin claim is not possible, but he lives in America so he cannot see those realities. It's not hateful to point out the obvious.
We can not control them. There will always be bursts of rage, hatred, and other deviant behavior. It is something natural.
It's not that we cannot, it's that we don't want to. It's much easier to give in to those baser instincts than examine them for what they are: our animal natures. Clearly we have some level of control, as we are still sitting here typing to one another and our countries haven't blown each other up. Why is it such a stretch of the imagination to picture us working together for the betterment of all?
I do not know whether to laugh or cry. Humans have been predicting their own end since we have been on this planet. Nothing apocalypto is going to happen. Take it easy.
This kind of hubris is exactly why a good conversation of the kinds of things I'm talking about is not possible. Too many people think they know everything, so their minds are not open. They think they're in control but they're not. This is the plague of the human race. It is very easy to dismiss that which makes us uncomfortable, or that which presents a reality that we would sooner be in denial about.
I do not believe you understand how indoctrination works. But it is ok.
It is the sign of a poor debater when they turn the debate into a discussion about the opponent, instead of the ideas they present. Indoctrination implies that I was coerced with propaganda to hold the views that I do. Nothing is further from the truth, and since you don't know me, I suggest you avoid such audacious assumptions.
You are not a realist. You are making predictable statements, do not get me wrong.
My statements are predictable to you because you have probably heard such notions coming from the mouths of truly hysterical people who truly are indoctrinated, and you are assuming I am just like them. This isn't your fault. It is the mind trap of categorical thinking to draw comparisons between two unrelated things based on superficial observations.
I know you are a smart kid.
I'm not a kid.
We are a degenerate species and we have never acted in a good manner.
I don't agree. Humans have done many good things and I have been alive to see some of them.
If anything what you are living through now has been one of the best if not the best time for a human to live as of our whole existence.
I agree that I am benefiting from living standards that I would not have seen if I was even born 100 years ago, but the benefits are just a facade. Unlike most people, I have traveled the world and seen the
real costs of what it means to live the way we do. We are 5% of the world in this living standard, and we consume all the resources to do it. In the western world we have enjoyed luxuries and lassitude lifestyles that would be the envy of even the richest rulers of empires 500 years ago. But what is the
net progress that has been made here? If the fossil fuels ever stop running, none of it will mean anything. Our society will collapse in weeks. It is all propped up on hot air, however magnificent it may seem. It is this delusion that is pervasive in our culture, that we are somehow the apex. Things are always changing. We are changing. Nothing is static. Everything we do has an impact. It is preposterous to suggest that our actions have no consequences, whether they be good or bad.
We are making progress and we will not stop.
I agree, but that will not look anything like the current paradigm. The industrial era has been but a millesecond of human history, and it has held the greatest costs to us as a species. We cannot sustain it without major advancements and overhauls. We need to change the very way we think, and that is not something that ever happens overnight. I think at this point, progress would be returning to local, sustainable economy, but with the knowledge of nature, technology, and medicine that we have achieved through the destructive eras that preceded.
However, progress is not in the way people behave but in what advances a small group of individuals make for the rest of the species.
I disagree. Advances are meaningless if people behave the same, otherwise we are not using those advances to further understand our own nature or place in the universe. Advances without spiritual questions pertaining to the material essence of
what and
who we are as a people are completely meaningless and only bring momentary gratification. We live in an era of momentary impulse. Our landfills attest to that. Stuff bought and stuff tossed for new stuff. We are practically swimming in disease because of our own polluted filth, and the root of that problem has never, ever been a lack of technology to solve it. The problems are intrinsically
within us... the nature of our desires, our refusal to look inward, and our incessant child-like need to look to the outside world as a means to rearrange our internal issues. Our entire era... this entire paradigm of thinking... is rooted in THAT, and nothing else.
A politician does not change the world for the greater good, a scientist does. A politician is most likely to destroy the planet and that is something bad.
I don't think it's so cut and dry. Scientists make discoveries, even deadly ones, while absolving themselves of responsibility for how the discoveries are used, since they are only "seeking knowledge". Politicians of this era are increasingly corrupt because we live in degenerate times; but even though our historical focus has apparently been human violence as a legacy, there are plenty of civilizations in the past that had tempered, wise leaders who knew how to hold balance. They were destroyed by other societies who lacked this knowledge of sacred balance, but that doesn't mean they were failures. On the contrary, it proves that humans are capable of overcoming their animal half.