Prosecutors Admit to wrong allegations regarding Maria Butina

[Checkerboard Strangler]

When it comes to Russians you will always defend them against any American individual or institution.

Thanks, you beat me to it.

 

[dcsports]

They are, but lack the perfection that you have.

Goodness! It's not about perfection. Again, this wasn't a simple mistake, typo, or misprint. They accused her of exchanging sex for favors with no basis. It was a lie. Then they claimed they misunderstood a joke, which was another lie.

Do you think it was OK for the prosecutors to lie? Don't you think they could have made their case without the salacious comments?

 

[dcsports]

Thanks, you beat me to it.

Did you see my response? Where do you think I defended a Russian in this thread?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Goodness! It's not about perfection. Again, this wasn't a simple mistake, typo, or misprint. They accused her of exchanging sex for favors with no basis. It was a lie. Then they claimed they misunderstood a joke, which was another lie.

Do you think it was OK for the prosecutors to lie? Don't you think they could have made their case without the salacious comments?

I'm weary of the attempt to whitewash this case because Butina WAS or was NOT a whore.
What she IS, is a SPY, whether or not she exchanged sexual favors, and she worked with the NRA and the Republicans.
And you guys ain't weaseling your way out of this.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Did you see my response? Where do you think I defended a Russian in this thread?

If you're an American, and you're pouncing on the prosecution with the CLEAR intention of attempting to make people think there is no case, that is tantamount to defending the defendant.
The GOP and NRA have been exposed as socially irresponsible, financially corrupt unregistered foreign agents. End of story.
Butina is their handmaiden. Period.

 

[dcsports]

I'm weary of the attempt to whitewash this case because Butina WAS or was NOT a whore.
What she IS, is a SPY, whether or not she exchanged sexual favors, and she worked with the NRA and the Republicans.
And you guys ain't weaseling your way out of this.

This thread isn't about whether Butina is guilty of a crime, or the merits of the actual charges against her in this case. No one has whitewashed anything. The thread IS about the prosecution accusing her of exchanging sex for favors, and the fact that this was a lie.

Do you think it was OK for the prosecutors to lie? Don't you think they could have made their case without the salacious comments?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

This thread isn't about whether Butina is guilty of a crime, or the merits of the actual charges against her in this case. No one has whitewashed anything. The thread IS about the prosecution accusing her of exchanging sex for favors, and the fact that this was a lie.

Do you think it was OK for the prosecutors to lie? Don't you think they could have made their case without the salacious comments?

Sure, but you guys still aren't weaseling your way out of this.
See ya, I have nothing more to say, and I want to keep my lunch down.

 

[dcsports]

If you're an American, and you're pouncing on the prosecution with the CLEAR intention of attempting to make people think there is no case, that is tantamount to defending the defendant.
The GOP and NRA have been exposed as socially irresponsible, financially corrupt unregistered foreign agents. End of story.
Butina is their handmaiden. Period.

Nope. Read it again. I haven't offered any opinion of the case, beyond stating that they could have established their position on pre-trial confinement based on the facts. They didn't need to lie, and it was wrong for them to do so.

Now if you would have said that I defended her on the specific accusation that she prostituted herself for car insurance, I suppose you could do so. I don't have to though, because the prosecution agreed that this accusation was false.

The GOP and NRA have been exposed as socially irresponsible, financially corrupt unregistered foreign agents. End of story. Butina is their handmaiden. Period.

That statement doesn't even make sense, but feel free to start a thread on it.

 

[joko104]

You support a President who lies almost every time he opens his mouth, but no comments about him?

TDS non-stop regardless of the topic.

 

[dcsports]

Sure, but you guys still aren't weaseling your way out of this.
See ya, I have nothing more to say, and I want to keep my lunch down.

Who is 'you guys'? How are they weaseling? And what are they weaseling out of? I think you are trying to weasel out of a corner.

Do you think it was OK for the prosecutors to lie? Don't you think they could have made their case without the salacious comments?

 

[Mach]

In this case, the prosecution was the villain. They lied. We should hold them accountable for mounting a zealous prosecution - but one supported by the facts.

Right, that's what we're saying.
You're attempting (along with the Trump administration) to make our justice department look like villains.
While defending Russia/criminals.

- there is no evidence they lied
- they didn't allege that as one of the charges, just as a fraction reason why she should be detained. Without it, the judge agreed, she's a huge flight risk.

How sad.

 

[dcsports]

Right, that's what we're saying.
You're attempting (along with the Trump administration) to make our justice department look like villains.
While defending Russia/criminals.

- there is no evidence they lied
- they didn't allege that as one of the charges, just as a fraction reason why she should be detained. Without it, the judge agreed, she's a huge flight risk.

How sad.

This response is sad.

I'm not attempting to make the justice department 'look like villains'. I'm holding them accountable for doing their job in a competent and ethical job. In this case, they failed to do that. And again, where am I defending Russia and/or criminals? Because I'm not.

And don't lump me in with 'Trump administration'. I don't believe they've even been mentioned in this case.

There is absolutely evidence they lied. They even admitted to it.

And you should re-read my prior posts. I pointed out that this wasn't one of the charges, and was just an salacious accusation added to justify not releasing her. It was unsupported and unnecessary.

 

[Floridafan]

Goodness! It's not about perfection. Again, this wasn't a simple mistake, typo, or misprint. They accused her of exchanging sex for favors with no basis. It was a lie. Then they claimed they misunderstood a joke, which was another lie.

Do you think it was OK for the prosecutors to lie? Don't you think they could have made their case without the salacious comments?

Prove to us that any prosecutor lied. Facts, give us facts and not your opinion.

 

[roughdraft274]

From Jonathan Turley, federal prosecutors have admitted to fudging the record regarding charges against Butina.

https://jonathanturley.org/2018/09/...women-was-trading-sex-for-access/#more-138212

Loaded statements from federal prosecutors are nothing new, but in this case the sexual innuendo was grossly misstated. Thank goodness for good defense attorneys.

Fudging the record? They made a claim and presented the evidence, and when it was explained by the defendant, they reevaluated the evidence. I think this goes to show that the system is working.

But more to the point, they used those messages of offering sex to show that she wasn't seriously in the relationship that she claimed to be in. That she was simply using him. I think a message where she is offering, even as a joke, to repay a guy with sex is evidence of that. Not definitive evidence, but evidence none the less. I'd have serious questions for my wife if i logged in to my computer and saw an email that she sent a guy she worked with that an offer of sex as repayment for a favor he did her. And I don't think an "lol" would make the "it was just a joke" excuse completely fly.

 

[dcsports]

Prove to us that any prosecutor lied. Facts, give us facts and not your opinion.

You may have missed the OP, but prosecutors admitted a 'mistake' in saying something that wasn't true (that's called lying). If you look at what they were basing it on -- there's no way a reasonable person would have interpreted the comments as being serious.

The man was a longtime friend who did public-affairs work for the Russia gun rights group Butina founded and had taken Butina’s car in Russia to get its insurance renewed as a favor, according to Driscoll.

“I don’t know what you owe me for this insurance[.] They put me through the wringer,” the man wrote to her in Russian, according to the filing. “Sex,” she responded, adding: “Thank you so much. I have nothing else at all. Not a nickel to my name.”

Later, she wrote, “Ask for anything,” adding: “That they hire you?” – a joking reference, Driscoll wrote, to the fact that Butina’s group already employed the man. “Think of something!!” he replied. “Sex with you does not interest me.”

Butina was close friends with the man’s wife and child, and the exchange was “nothing more than a long-running joke between old friends,” Driscoll wrote, adding that their banter included no promise of a job in exchange for the sex.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/08...e-suspect-butina-just-victim-of-sexist-smear/

Here's another article if you'd like to read the story.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/us/politics/maria-butina-sex.html

 

[Floridafan]

You may have missed the OP, but prosecutors admitted a 'mistake' in saying something that wasn't true (that's called lying). If you look at what they were basing it on -- there's no way a reasonable person would have interpreted the comments as being serious.



https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/08...e-suspect-butina-just-victim-of-sexist-smear/

Here's another article if you'd like to read the story.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/us/politics/maria-butina-sex.html

Its truly a shame that unlike you, other people make mistakes. You are the only perfect person on the planet. Furthermore, that episode has nothing to do with the reason for her arrest and detainment

 

[Mach]

I'm not attempting to make the justice department 'look like villains'.

You have zero credibilty at this point, below

In this case, the prosecution was the villain.

I'm holding them accountable for doing their job in a competent and ethical job

The corrected the record, but you call them liars...you aren't holding anyone accountable, and no one cares.

There is absolutely evidence they lied. They even admitted to it.

Quote them saying they lied.

 

[dcsports]

Its truly a shame that unlike you, other people make mistakes. You are the only perfect person on the planet. Furthermore, that episode has nothing to do with the reason for her arrest and detainment

Try to take a step back and look at what happened. Again, This wasn't a simple mistake or typo. Prosecutors called it a mistake, and the judge accepted the correction, but this wasn't an oversight or typo. They said something that wasn't true -- that they knew wasn't true -- in an official court document, highlighting it as one of six distinct reasons for holding the defendant in jail without bond.

 

[dcsports]

You have zero credibilty at this point, below



The corrected the record, but you call them liars...you aren't holding anyone accountable, and no one cares.


Quote them saying they lied.

Sigh...

I didn't make them look like a villain - they made themselves the villain in this matter when they lied. And of course they didn't say "we lied" -- they called it a 'mistake', and the judge allowed them to let it slide. Note that they only corrected the record when forced to by the defense.

 

[Mach]

Sigh...I didn't make them look like a villain - they made themselves the villain in this matter when they lied. And of course they didn't say "we lied" -- they called it a 'mistake', and the judge allowed them to let it slide. Note that they only corrected the record when forced to by the defense.

So they didn't lie. But you want to portray them as liars. And you don't see how you are portraying them as a villain, in getting let's say 1/12th of their accusations in a detention letter understandably inaccurate.

Which begs the question, if you care this much about things that just *seem* like lies, I assume you must know that the Trump administration has lied thousands of time, including while bad-mouthing people to ruin their careers, their reputations, or to advance his own story, right? And you were *even* more outraged all those times too, I mean, considering this is POTUS we're talking about.

And all the evidence of conspiracy with Russia, even though of course they didn't admit to, but tried to cover it up and make up stories that keep changing, you obviously believe they are lying about all that...given your extremely strict skepticism about who lies, right?

Just curious. (not really but you get the idea).

 

[dcsports]

So they didn't lie. But you want to portray them as liars. And you don't see how you are portraying them as a villain, in getting let's say 1/12th of their accusations in a detention letter understandably inaccurate.

Which begs the question, if you care this much about things that just *seem* like lies, I assume you must know that the Trump administration has lied thousands of time, including while bad-mouthing people to ruin their careers, their reputations, or to advance his own story, right? And you were *even* more outraged all those times too, I mean, considering this is POTUS we're talking about.

And all the evidence of conspiracy with Russia, even though of course they didn't admit to, but tried to cover it up and make up stories that keep changing, you obviously believe they are lying about all that...given your extremely strict skepticism about who lies, right?

Just curious. (not really but you get the idea).

No, they did lie, and admitted to it. They just didn't flat out call it one. And since you are trying to loop back to the detention document, out of the six points, this one (the topic of the thread) was a lie (1/6). Not just inaccurate, but a lie. Not seem like a lie -- a lie.

And again, feel free to start a thread on anyone else's lie you like.

 

[Thoreau72]

We need a way for defendants to sue the federal government for malpractice and malicious prosecution. We could call it the Butina-Jewell law. It has a nice ring to it.

And thinking about it, we need a complete overhaul of how the FBI creates criminality out of vague connections.

There is a way to do that, though in this day and age it's rarely allowed by the courts. It's called a Bivens Action. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/bivens_actions

 

[Grokmaster]

From Jonathan Turley, federal prosecutors have admitted to fudging the record regarding charges against Butina.

https://jonathanturley.org/2018/09/...women-was-trading-sex-for-access/#more-138212

Loaded statements from federal prosecutors are nothing new, but in this case the sexual innuendo was grossly misstated. Thank goodness for good defense attorneys.

Falsehoods from the Obama Swamp KGB-FBI/DOJ/ "Carter Page is a Russian agent, so let us spy on Trump" Mueller Witch Hunt?

Surely not.

 

[Thoreau72]

Falsehoods from the Obama Swamp KGB-FBI/DOJ/ "Carter Page is a Russian agent, so let us spy on Trump" Mueller Witch Hunt?

Surely not.

You know more about it than I, sir. It's all a sort of theater, isn't it? On its best day, politics is rotten. Best of intentions no doubt, but reality bites. :mrgreen:

 

[Grokmaster]

I love people who are self professed experts, and get their "knowledge" from TV or print. You know nothing about what the justice department may have on this woman.

We know that the Obama Swamp Mueller Witch Hunt DOES NOT HAVE WHAT THEY CLAIMED THEY HAD...don't we?