Prosecutors Admit to wrong allegations regarding Maria Butina

[Thoreau72]

Multiple times??????

Multiple times, in multiple media sources. Print and TV.

 

[Thoreau72]

Yes they made a mistake, and thats it- end of story. they are human and capable of making mistakes.

Or, they did it deliberately, in the general theme these days of Vilify Russia. Quite simple really.

 

[Floridafan]

Or, they did it deliberately, in the general theme these days of Vilify Russia. Quite simple really.

This lady remains in prison for the crimes she was arrested for.

 

[Thoreau72]

The sex offer allegation was made in the detention request as one of two reasons given that her relationship in the U.S. with Paul Erickson, a goofy looking 56 year old well-connected Republican Operative.
Claiming the topic of the thread is not the topic of the thread, is absurd.



Looks like despite the Defense getting prosecution to withdraw that teeny tiny issue, had no impact. And of course, no evidence they lied.
The Judge ordered her to be kept in jail. U.S. still leads Russia in wins on this. You seem to be cheering for Russia, good luck with that.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...an-agent-butina-kept-jail.html#post1069018223

The sex allegations was done for effect, for the sake of getting good headlines from the media that put Russia in a bad light.

If they had a solid case, they would not need the innuendo.

 

[Thoreau72]

This lady remains in prison for the crimes she was arrested for.

Yes, Justice American Style, c. 2018

And if they could make their case, the prosecutors would not need to employ lies and deception. Nor would they need to keep her in the worst part of the prison, effectively with little medical care and in isolation.

 

[Mach]

The sex allegations was done for effect, for the sake of getting good headlines from the media that put Russia in a bad light.If they had a solid case, they would not need the innuendo.

Your post was done for effect. Based on the same evidence you used to levy your accusations against the prosecutors. See how that works?

The allegations were one part of 6 major reasons why she should be detained. The judge, even knowing the retraction, said she was far and away a flight risk. And it had nothing to do with the criminal charges she is facing, so it has nothing to do with the solidity of the actual case. Your point is largely irrelevant, except to try and portray the U.S. prosecution as the villain, and the alleged Criminal Russian spy as the victim.

 

[Floridafan]

Yes, Justice American Style, c. 2018

And if they could make their case, the prosecutors would not need to employ lies and deception. Nor would they need to keep her in the worst part of the prison, effectively with little medical care and in isolation.

is there anyone Russian that you wont defend over an American system of justice?

 

[Thoreau72]

Your post was done for effect. Based on the same evidence you used to levy your accusations against the prosecutors. See how that works?

The allegations were one part of 6 major reasons why she should be detained. The judge, even knowing the retraction, said she was far and away a flight risk. And it had nothing to do with the criminal charges she is facing, so it has nothing to do with the solidity of the actual case. Your point is largely irrelevant, except to try and portray the U.S. prosecution as the villain, and the alleged Criminal Russian spy as the victim.

Just as you have convicted Butina in your mind, eh? I suppose I was greatly influenced in all the wrong ways regarding the honesty of the US Justice Department by Bill Moushey's piece in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette way back in the fall of 1998. That piece was entitle "Win At All Costs, Government misconduct in the name of expedient justice." Yes, color me biased as hell.

Current events show just how political and rotten the Justice Department is. I hope you can forgive me for doubting the claims of known liars.

 

[Thoreau72]

is there anyone Russian that you wont defend over an American system of justice?

That depends upon the case and the crime. I'm neutral to start with on any case. The American System Of Justice has become very much a joke, if one is paying attention, if one sits in from time to time on real trials.

Your appeal to emotion is noted.

 

[Floridafan]

That depends upon the case and the crime. I'm neutral to start with on any case. The American System Of Justice has become very much a joke, if one is paying attention, if one sits in from time to time on real trials.

Your appeal to emotion is noted.

My dear, you will find a reason to defend any Russian, at the expense of an American. Thats just how low you and your kind have sunk to.

 

[Mach]

Just as you have convicted Butina in your mind, eh? I suppose I was greatly influenced in all the wrong ways regarding the honesty of the US Justice Department by Bill Moushey's piece in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette way back in the fall of 1998. That piece was entitle "Win At All Costs, Government misconduct in the name of expedient justice." Yes, color me biased as hell.

Hey wait, you just argued in another thread you don't believe everything you read. But you read a book from one guy, and now you don't believe the entire DOJ?
Sounds crazy!

Current events show just how political and rotten the Justice Department is. I hope you can forgive me for doubting the claims of known liars.

The entire DOJ are known liars, but Russian spys are...

Wow!

 

[Thoreau72]

My dear, you will find a reason to defend any Russian, at the expense of an American. Thats just how low you and your kind have sunk to.

Goodness, you must be right!

Engaging in a little self-analysis, maybe I was paying too close attention when Bill Clinton & Family installed Boris Yeltsin back in the day. Maybe I was paying too close attention when Bush Sr. & Company lied in a verbal agreement regarding the eastward expansion of NATO?

Hell, maybe it was because I was paying too much attention to the facts and details regarding the shootdown of MH17?

Thanks for the input.

 

[Floridafan]

Goodness, you must be right!

Engaging in a little self-analysis, maybe I was paying too close attention when Bill Clinton & Family installed Boris Yeltsin back in the day. Maybe I was paying too close attention when Bush Sr. & Company lied in a verbal agreement regarding the eastward expansion of NATO?

Hell, maybe it was because I was paying too much attention to the facts and details regarding the shootdown of MH17?



Thanks for the input.

of course whatever may or may not have happened 10 or 20 years ago, is sufficient for you to defend everything Russian today. Your kind makes me sick

 

[Thoreau72]

Hey wait, you just argued in another thread you don't believe everything you read. But you read a book from one guy, and now you don't believe the entire DOJ?
Sounds crazy!


The entire DOJ are known liars, but Russian spys are...

Wow!

Well I guess I erred in my statement. I should have qualified. If NYT or NBC tells me the weather is really lousy or that there are fires in California, I believe them.

But when they tell me that AA11 struck the North Tower, well, sorry, I know better.

I read much of the mainstream media, to discover how they want me to think and see the world. That said, I am capable of independent analysis and thought, and I practice it. eace

 

[Thoreau72]

of course whatever may or may not have happened 10 or 20 years ago, is sufficient for you to defend everything Russian today. Your kind makes me sick

Flattery will get you everywhere! :lol:

 

[Mach]

Well I guess I erred in my statement. I should have qualified. If NYT or NBC tells me the weather is really lousy or that there are fires in California, I believe them. But when they tell me that AA11 struck the North Tower, well, sorry, I know better.I read much of the mainstream media, to discover how they want me to think and see the world. That said, I am capable of independent analysis and thought, and I practice it. eace

I accept your clarification, I know it was generalized. I look at that as pure CT nuttery, but each to their own, I'll let it be.

 

[chuckiechan]

From Jonathan Turley, federal prosecutors have admitted to fudging the record regarding charges against Butina.

https://jonathanturley.org/2018/09/...women-was-trading-sex-for-access/#more-138212

Loaded statements from federal prosecutors are nothing new, but in this case the sexual innuendo was grossly misstated. Thank goodness for good defense attorneys.

We need a way for defendants to sue the federal government for malpractice and malicious prosecution. We could call it the Butina-Jewell law. It has a nice ring to it.

And thinking about it, we need a complete overhaul of how the FBI creates criminality out of vague connections.

 

[dcsports]

Your post was done for effect. Based on the same evidence you used to levy your accusations against the prosecutors. See how that works?

The allegations were one part of 6 major reasons why she should be detained. The judge, even knowing the retraction, said she was far and away a flight risk. And it had nothing to do with the criminal charges she is facing, so it has nothing to do with the solidity of the actual case. Your point is largely irrelevant, except to try and portray the U.S. prosecution as the villain, and the alleged Criminal Russian spy as the victim.

In this case, the prosecution was the villain. They lied. We should hold them accountable for mounting a zealous prosecution - but one supported by the facts.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Holy ****nuts, Republicans are rushing to defend Saint Maria Butina of the Orthodox Temple of the Bleeding Heart of the Most Sacred Czar.

I have to go fill up a bucket with puke now.

 

[dcsports]

Holy ****nuts, Republicans are rushing to defend Saint Maria Butina ....

Who's defending Maria Butina? This is about the prosecution's action, not hers.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Who's defending Maria Butina? This is about the prosecution's action, not hers.

Pouncing on a minor glitch in the prosecution amounts to defending Maria Butina.
If John Hinckley had gone to trial, pleading not guilty of shooting Reagan, would ANY of you be leaping up and down like crazed fruit bats every time the prosecution made a minor misstep?

"YOU SEE? YOU SEE?
HINCKLEY ONLY MAILED 438 POSTCARDS TO JODIE FOSTER
AND THE PROSECUTION SAYS 439!!!
IT'S A SETUP!!!!!"

 

[dcsports]

Pouncing on a minor glitch in the prosecution amounts to defending Maria Butina.
If John Hinckley had gone to trial, pleading not guilty of shooting Reagan, would ANY of you be leaping up and down like crazed fruit bats every time the prosecution made a minor misstep?

Not the same thing. It's not a 'minor glitch' -- they lied to the court, and to the public. They made a salacious claim with no basis, likely for the purpose of grabbing headlines. I think we should have an expectation that our prosecutors can do their job using facts and ethical methods.

 

[Floridafan]

Not the same thing. It's not a 'minor glitch' -- they lied to the court, and to the public. They made a salacious claim with no basis, likely for the purpose of grabbing headlines. I think we should have an expectation that our prosecutors can do their job using facts and ethical methods.

When it comes to Russians you will always defend them against any American individual or institution.

 

[dcsports]

When it comes to Russians you will always defend them against any American individual or institution.

lol -- where did you get that idea? Again, I'm not even defending the Russian in this case.

I do expect our prosecutors to do their job in a competent and ethical manner. Do you?

 

[Floridafan]

lol -- where did you get that idea? Again, I'm not even defending the Russian in this case.

I do expect our prosecutors to do their job in a competent and ethical manner. Do you?

They are, but lack the perfection that you have.