Proof That Dinosaurs and Man Co-Existed

[Ploughboy]

I was pointing out, Christians can still believe and be scientific.

Your stereotyping meme does not apply to all. I guess when you let a meme do your talking, you run the risk of being misinterpreted.

I guess you just jumped in the thread, or you would know my position....

Evolution is not science. Modern science was a Christian endeavor and no atheists were present when modern science was established. All the founding fathers of modern science were Bible believing Christians. Evolution is an ancient pagan theory that nature made itself. This ancient theory is not science but mysticism. It is completely incompatible with Biblical creation and real science.

 

[CLAX1911]

I already did the research and all artifacts here are 100% genuine.

So?

But you will probably force yourself to deny all evidence that goes against your faith in evolution.

You should really quit mischaracterizing people that don't just believe everything you say that are maybe a little skeptical of your claims.


If you have to play victim of some conspiracy to deny whatever evidence you think you have presented that man coexisted with Dinosaurs then you clearly aren't sure of it yourself.

Present more proof I'll 100% except the artifacts are genuine.

I already explained how they could exist. It's much more plausible then all science being wrong because the Bible.

 

[Ploughboy]

I guess it's the psychologist in me but I actually find these sorts of discussions quite interesting. How someone could so easily believe something so preposterous. If you believe in God and Jesus in you believe they are God and Jesus why would we need to disprove science in order to support this belief. Is it more about God or is it more about the Bible and the way we were brought up to accept it?


It really makes me wonder what goes wrong with people that don't stop and question this.

Modern science was a Christian endeavor and there were no atheists present when modern science was established. Atheists get zero credit for the establishment of modern science. So your argument assumes all the founding fathers of modern science were all atheists which is historically false.
Evolution is not science and modern science would be doing much better had this useless theory never held back scientific progress.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

Why are you trying so hard to change the subject? Is this topic about fossils? No, it isn't. Its about an engraving of a Stegosaurus on an ancient Buddhist temple, two cave drawings of Sauropods, and an ancient pottery with a Sauropod on it. But you want to talk about things unrelated to the evidence because you do not care about the evidence. To me the evidence is clear. You can also read the Biblical verses listed and then you might be able to better understand those passages by examining the artifacts presented here.

The Flood is a fact. You want to talk like you know so much about fossils the perhaps you need to go to South America and look at all the whale fossils in the Andes! I know, atheists claim geological uplifts put them there. :roll: But that lousy excuse does not explain how the whales became fossils in the first place. And don't say whale falls become fossils because that has been well refuted in science as the video below proves.


As you can see in this video whale falls don't produce fossils. This means there are no fossilized uplifts from tectonic plates placing whale fossils in mountain ranges.

Here is more on fossils. This video is where an evolutionist admits off camera the cave drawing is a Sauropod. He is not allowed to admit that on camera or he may be fired.


We all know what the artifacts are. But how many of you atheists have to balls to admit that? Do you like living a lie so much that you will force yourself to dismiss all evidence that disagrees with your view on Godless evolution? How much information are you willing to ignore to keep your faith in atheism?

And no, I do not consider anyone who believes in evolution a Christian. Denying the power of God is not a Christ-like quality. I don't see why God could not have created everything in the 6 day time frame He said He did it all in.

HELLO, I AM NOT AN ATHEIST

Now that you have made me internet scream, again I am open minded. However, you have proved nothing.

What on earth do you mean? "fossils are changing the subject"??????????????????????????????????


Fossils are the only PROOF on the topic, far more than a you tube video and repeating unverified claims for pages.

 

[Ploughboy]

Funny how atheists will deny all evidence for the sake of politics. That is not being a truth seeker. That is being faithful to a theory that the evidence presented here refutes.

All the artifacts here are genuine. In fact, the cave drawing that looks the least genuine is actually considered one of the oldest cave drawings in the world. Its real and now atheists have to deal with the reality that the evolutionary timeline is proven false.

 

[PoS]

I was pointing out, Christians can still believe and be scientific.

Your stereotyping meme does not apply to all. I guess when you let a meme do your talking, you run the risk of being misinterpreted.

I guess you just jumped in the thread, or you would know my position....

It's a meme aimed at people who use that kind of ( or more like lack of ) logic, just like the OP. If you arent subscribing to his "logic" then it doesnt apply to you. Pretty simple reading will tell you that.

 

[CLAX1911]

Modern science was a Christian endeavor and there were no atheists present when modern science was established. Atheists get zero credit for the establishment of modern science. So your argument assumes all the founding fathers of modern science were all atheists which is historically false.
Evolution is not science and modern science would be doing much better had this useless theory never held back scientific progress.

Nothing in my argument has anything to do with atheist or proprietary claims on science.

None of my posts even referenced beliefs or the lack thereof.

So I'm not really sure why you're renting about atheists I don't care.

My argument was about what proof is.

Okay let's say for instance I found a cave painting dating back 10,000 years and it resembled a microprocessor or a spark plug would that be 100% proof positive that there's time travel or is it possible that a person could misinterpret art?

 

[Ploughboy]

HELLO, I AM NOT AN ATHEIST

Now that you have made me internet scream, again I am open minded. However, you have proved nothing.

What on earth do you mean? "fossils are changing the subject"??????????????????????????????????


Fossils are the only PROOF on the topic, far more than a you tube video and repeating unverified claims for pages.

Fossils are not the only proof of the topic. What are you supposed to do with fossils: date them with the strata and then date the strata with the fossils? That is circular reasoning. Evolution theory is a theory in crisis and these artifacts are too old to dismiss. Man and dinosaur co-existed and these artifacts prove it. Now if you are open minded then you will notice how old these are, consider the fact that humans saw them.

Did you know there used to be an eagle called a Haast eagle which lived only some 200 years ago before it went extinct? Look it up. There have been several species of animals that have gone completely extinct. Just in recent years the black rhino went extinct. So do you think that some of these dinosaurs also went extinct that survived the Flood? Surely if evolutionists are correct in their theory then no evidence of any kind, anywhere, of dino and man should exist. But it does exist. Are you going to be like the atheists here and force yourself to live in complete denial of the evidence?

 

[Slingshot Bob]

to me (just my opinion) it's a measure of good faith that you can believe in Christ and still accept science.



In all fairness a cave painting could have been created up on site of a fossil. That's assuming the cave paintings are genuine I have my doubts.

Mankind certainly never coexisted with Dinosaurs. The fossil record proves this.

Digging thru the strata, is as close to a time machine as man has ever gotten. It does not lie, like a drug test for hair, it tells a true timeline of events.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

Funny how atheists will deny all evidence for the sake of politics. That is not being a truth seeker. That is being faithful to a theory that the evidence presented here refutes.

All the artifacts here are genuine. In fact, the cave drawing that looks the least genuine is actually considered one of the oldest cave drawings in the world. Its real and now atheists have to deal with the reality that the evolutionary timeline is proven false.

Sounds like you judging my Salvation, a grevious sin specifically warned about.

You keep saying these artifacts are verified, but only make claims.

Like I said, I am open minded now prove it. I agree with you on flat earth on account of proof. This outlandish claim...not so much.

 

[CLAX1911]

Funny how atheists will deny all evidence for the sake of politics. That is not being a truth seeker. That is being faithful to a theory that the evidence presented here refutes.

something odd about you is how the moment someone post anything that disagrees with you. you automatically go to a personal attack. You assume all sorts of things, and you call everyone that disagrees with you a denier despite the body of evidence.

All the artifacts here are genuine.

first I have my doubts but let's assume they are genuine you or interpreting them through your understanding not the understanding of the people who supposedly made them. So I never really cast much doubt on the genuineness of the artifacts they just don't undo the fossil record.

I even offered a plausible explanation that you completely ignored as to how they came to know what a dinosaur look like.

In fact, the cave drawing that looks the least genuine is actually considered one of the oldest cave drawings in the world. Its real and now atheists have to deal with the reality that the evolutionary timeline is proven false.

I'm sorry it does not prove The evolutionary timeline false. I offered an explanation for how someone could come up with a dinosaur and painted on a cave you ignored that you are the one denying things.

Look you can believe whatever you want I'm not here to tell you that your beliefs are wrong or that you should be ashamed I just don't agree with you. You simply haven't made as strong of a case as you think you have.

 

[Ploughboy]

Nothing in my argument has anything to do with atheist or proprietary claims on science.

None of my posts even referenced beliefs or the lack thereof.

So I'm not really sure why you're renting about atheists I don't care.

My argument was about what proof is.

Okay let's say for instance I found a cave painting dating back 10,000 years and it resembled a microprocessor or a spark plug would that be 100% proof positive that there's time travel or is it possible that a person could misinterpret art?

Misinterpret the art? Look at the artifacts for yourself. What is there to misinterpret? Read the Job passage and then look at the art. No such creature on earth fits the passage and the artifacts better than the Sauropod. And what is a Stegosaurus doing on a Buddhist temple if some Buddhist didn't see one? Perhaps they worshiped it?

Then there is this account in the Apocrypha
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Bel+and+the+Dragon+1-30&version=RSV

There is dino literature all over the world as well, from Sumer to China and India. In fact, China's national symbol is a dinosaur (dragon).

 

[Ploughboy]

something odd about you is how the moment someone post anything that disagrees with you. you automatically go to a personal attack. You assume all sorts of things, and you call everyone that disagrees with you a denier despite the body of evidence.

first I have my doubts but let's assume they are genuine you or interpreting them through your understanding not the understanding of the people who supposedly made them. So I never really cast much doubt on the genuineness of the artifacts they just don't undo the fossil record.

I even offered a plausible explanation that you completely ignored as to how they came to know what a dinosaur look like.


I'm sorry it does not prove The evolutionary timeline false. I offered an explanation for how someone could come up with a dinosaur and painted on a cave you ignored that you are the one denying things.

Look you can believe whatever you want I'm not here to tell you that your beliefs are wrong or that you should be ashamed I just don't agree with you. You simply haven't made as strong of a case as you think you have.

Denial.

 

[CLAX1911]

Digging thru the strata, is as close to a time machine as man has ever gotten. It does not lie, like a drug test for hair, it tells a true timeline of events.

The closest I've ever come I've actually found some fossils but they were clams and those are pretty common little bivalve things.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

Fossils are not the only proof of the topic. What are you supposed to do with fossils: date them with the strata and then date the strata with the fossils? That is circular reasoning. Evolution theory is a theory in crisis and these artifacts are too old to dismiss. Man and dinosaur co-existed and these artifacts prove it. Now if you are open minded then you will notice how old these are, consider the fact that humans saw them.

Did you know there used to be an eagle called a Haast eagle which lived only some 200 years ago before it went extinct? Look it up. There have been several species of animals that have gone completely extinct. Just in recent years the black rhino went extinct. So do you think that some of these dinosaurs also went extinct that survived the Flood? Surely if evolutionists are correct in their theory then no evidence of any kind, anywhere, of dino and man should exist. But it does exist. Are you going to be like the atheists here and force yourself to live in complete denial of the evidence?

What evidence? You have some radio carbon dating? Man, they would love you at the fossil forum, even as believers in Christ.

 

[CLAX1911]

Denial.

You're not arguing you're just dimming everything that isn't and lockstep agreement with you as denial and you're dismissing any argument or Counterpoint made.


I think you're calling the kettle black.

 

[Ploughboy]

It's a meme aimed at people who use that kind of ( or more like lack of ) logic, just like the OP. If you arent subscribing to his "logic" then it doesnt apply to you. Pretty simple reading will tell you that.

More of that atheist denial. Must suck to have to force yourself to deny all evidence that goes against evolution politics...I mean, theory.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

The closest I've ever come I've actually found some fossils but they were clams and those are pretty common little bivalve things.

I think you have seen my fossil thread, I will link it. Even common fossils are fossils.

The most insignifigant bivalve or toe bone of a rodent, can be a paleontological revalation that clears up decades of scholarly debate

 

[Ploughboy]

The closest I've ever come I've actually found some fossils but they were clams and those are pretty common little bivalve things.

Well then you're not very good at finding fossils. There are people out there every day finding dinosaur graveyards and you can't even find a single fossilized dino bone?

So let me get this straight. Anything that disagrees with evolution cannot be accepted as evidence. How is that science? That is not science at all...that's desperate politics! Science does not deny any evidence. But atheists deny all evidence that disagree with their politics.

 

[Sweden]

Evolution is not science. Modern science was a Christian endeavor and no atheists were present when modern science was established. All the founding fathers of modern science were Bible believing Christians. Evolution is an ancient pagan theory that nature made itself. This ancient theory is not science but mysticism. It is completely incompatible with Biblical creation and real science.

Drivel. I could use more words but just this one will suffice.

 

[Ploughboy]

I think you have seen my fossil thread, I will link it. Even common fossils are fossils.

The most insignifigant bivalve or toe bone of a rodent, can be a paleontological revalation that clears up decades of scholarly debate

I do not care about your fossil treat right now. I want to talk about the artifacts. But hey, forget the artifacts because to include them in this discussion would mean a scientific inquiry which evolutionists will never allow. How is denying evidence science? Sounds much more like communist ideology to deny scientific evidence. The communists would deny all evidence that goes against communism. But science denies no evidence. The artifacts prove dino and man co-existed. This is a big problem where the evolutionary timeline is concerned.

 

[tosca1]

Show me some proof that is verified by Paleontologist in the fossil record. Common knowledge is dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago, eons before our ancestors first appeared.

I will trust the fossil record, far before a cave painting.

But I have an open mind

Here is a very interesting article.

Bias in the fossil record

There are a whole series of biases in the fossil record that affect which organisms were preserved and how, and thus affects how we as palaeontologists can investigate the life of these ancient worlds.

Understanding these is obviously important for palaeontology. It would be too easy to look at the wealth of dinosaur fossils coming from (what were) deserts and conclude that these teemed with life when the truth is simply that they preserved many more skeletons than the forests.

While the fossil record is really pretty good surrounding the origins of birds, a great many specimens come from very few locations as we are reliant on the fossil-bearing rocks with the quality of preservation to retain the details of the fragile bones of small dinosaurs and early birds. It should not be a surprise then that there are also gaps in our knowledge precisely because so few areas preserve this kind of material in large numbers.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/lost-worlds/2012/aug/17/bias-fossil-record

"The fossil record is clearly incomplete, and it is clearly biased by many factors, but many of the supposedly 'corrected' diversity curves we have seen recently may actually be further from the truth than the raw data."

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2015-08-good-bad-fossil-dinosaurs.html#jCp

 

[Ploughboy]

Drivel. I could use more words but just this one will suffice.

Drivel? Is that an atheist code word that means you have no rational way of examining the evidence? You're gonna force yourself to deny it and all for the sake of socialist politics. I always knew atheists hated science!

 

[Slingshot Bob]

The closest I've ever come I've actually found some fossils but they were clams and those are pretty common little bivalve things.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/off-topic-discussion/284870-fossils.html

 

[HonestJoe]

There are the living fossils such as crocodiles and komodo dragons which never went extinct in the Flood. But other dinosaurs did survive the Flood only to go extinct later.

You seem to be presuming some kind of extension-level flood ever occurred. You are free to do that as the basis for your logical argument here but it does need to be recognised as an unsupported assumption at this point.

If it can be demonstrated that dinosaurs living during the same time as mankind, then that places evolution theory is a serious and unsolvable dilemma!

Not hugely. There’s no direct link between the extinction of (most) dinosaurs and the development of mammals, including humans. It would shift some timings but wouldn’t require any change in the fundamental principles of the theory/theories.

The Bible does not go into great detail on dinosaurs but there are a few passages that refer to dinosaurs.

The Bible, especially the OT, isn’t really evidence of anything. It isn’t written contemporarily to the times it depicts, let alone the “ancient days” it’s referring to previously and is widely recognised as a mix of history, myth and parable.

The interpretations of those texts to make them match dinosaurs are somewhat stretched (as is so often the case with Biblical interpretations). It seems equally possible that they’re poetic fantasies or other mundane animals. That can apply to the other paintings and descriptions of animals which could be interpreted to look like some types of dinosaur but could just as well be depictions of other animals, real or imagined, maybe even poorly drawn or intentionally exaggerated. There are similar examples leading to mythical creatures like unicorns and mermaids, which could well be based on misunderstood descriptions of real creatures and some of the flawed descriptions of other peoples reported by early European explorers.

*Note: Not all references to dragon in the KJV mean dinosaur. Only a couple of those dragon verses can mean dinosaur. I will not be covering all verses in this topic. I do believe the next post provides enough answers for all of us.

I’m curious as to what the difference is. How are you deciding when a verse is referring to dinosaurs or dragons? And if some verses are actually referring to dragons, what do you believe they mean by that? Are they referring to a real creature or is it in those cases a truly fictional creation?