Promiscuity & The MeToo Movement

[TDGonDP]

How exactly are you associating those 2 things? Who says it should?

We only have a finite time on this world. We can use that time to help make the world a better place or we can use that time to engage in our personal pleasure. And to be truthful, all of us are somewhere between these two extremes.

If 90% of us decided to become promiscuous, would that make the world a better or worse place?

 

[Lursa]

We only have a finite time on this world. We can use that time to help make the world a better place or we can use that time to engage in our personal pleasure. And to be truthful, all of us somewhere between these two extremes.

If 90% of us decided to become promiscuous, would that make the world a better or worse place?

This is nice. Perhaps you should put it in a blog.

I dont see consensual promiscuity an issue at that level. Again...you are equating promiscuity with general irresponsibility or other negative characteristics and I see no foundation for that. In other words, you are judging, that's about it.

The real negative is social stigma...which you seem to harbor but if promiscuity were that common, it's likely we'd be getting over that stigma...just like we did for divorce, single-motherhood, homosexuality, etc.

 

[TDGonDP]

This is nice. Perhaps you should put it in a blog.

I dont see consensual promiscuity an issue at that level. Again...you are equating promiscuity with general irresponsibility or other negative characteristics and I see no foundation for that. In other words, you are judging, that's about it.

The real negative is social stigma...which you seem to harbor but if promiscuity were that common, it's likely we'd be getting over that stigma...just like we did for divorce, single-motherhood, homosexuality, etc.

I had a roommate who probably had 100 one-night stands in a year. Eat, sleep, work, and ***** were the only four things on his mind. The first three items were only to serve the fourth.

If 90% of us were operating in this mindset, there would be a lot fewer sports team coaches for kids and fewer citizens to serve on boards of non-profit organizations. There would be a lot less mentorship and volunteer service. Thankfully only 10% of us are promiscuous.

As I have alluded to earlier, casual sex is not 100% safe, even with proper precautions. There can be consequences. Are these consequences worth the pleasures gained?

While I acknowledge that my former roommate is not committing crimes and not dependent on government handouts, he really is not making the world a better place with his spare time and energy. And his lifestyle is helping normalize promiscuity for others who may be on the edge of adopting this lifestyle. After living with this fellow for one month and seeing his parade of willing sex partners, I see this man as shallow. He is lacking in good judgement, life focus, and responsibility. He is mostly consumed with his self-pleasure. If he were to run for public office, I would never vote for him. If he were my subordinate, I would not recommend him for a promotion. If he were my superior, I would probably be looking for a new job.

You can call that social stigma if you want. And you can blame social stigma when a promiscuous person falls from societal grace. But the fact is that we all judge others; otherwise far too many people would run roughshod over us. And we also decide on what criterion to judge others; sometimes that criterion is worthy, sometimes not. And we all have the right to judge.

As for the "sins", I will leave that to God. I now recognize that many people on a self-destructive life path often have been shaped in this way by injustice in their past. But I will not put this man on some kind of pedestal because he seeking "liberty and happiness" in his own way.

 

[Lursa]

I had a roommate who probably had 100 one-night stands in a year. Eat, sleep, work, and ***** were the only four things on his mind. The first three items were only to serve the fourth.

If 90% of us were operating in this mindset,
.

LOL...but...they arent. The great majority of people do not behave like your roommate.

And there's no law stopping them. What's stopping them? Normal 'mean' (for humans) behavior and general social standards. Aside from that...people can be as promiscuous as they want.

So IMO it's 'much ado about nothing.' I see no trend towards more promiscuity. It's gone up and down in the US over the decades, but nowhere near what you seem to fear.

 

[SDET]

or you could just ask if what you want to do is ok before you do it

Even that can sour into sexual harassment. Sorry, but men should steer clear of women North of the Rio Grande. American women are a bigger risk than Mexican drug cartels.

 

[TDGonDP]

LOL...but...they arent. The great majority of people do not behave like your roommate.

And there's no law stopping them. What's stopping them? Normal 'mean' (for humans) behavior and general social standards. Aside from that...people can be as promiscuous as they want.

So IMO it's 'much ado about nothing.' I see no trend towards more promiscuity. It's gone up and down in the US over the decades, but nowhere near what you seem to fear.

Ever since the introduction of THE PILL circa 1970, there really has been no significant change in the rates of promiscuity from the studies I could find. The 10% figure seems solid in English speaking countries. And it is far from mainstream, despite a liberal media's portrayal as it being normalized in society.

When I was a binge drinker, I categorized the world into two groups: those who drank a lot of alcohol and those who wanted to drink a lot of alcohol. In no way could I fathom that people could find "happiness" without alcohol. My mind was severely warped in those days.

I would wager that many of the promiscuous persuasion cannot understand happiness within a monogamous relationship or with celibacy.

If social stigma keeps some people away from a promiscuous lifestyle, I'm all for it.

 

[Lursa]

Ever since the introduction of THE PILL circa 1970, there really has been no significant change in the rates of promiscuity from the studies I could find. The 10% figure seems solid in English speaking countries. And it is far from mainstream, despite a liberal media's portrayal as it being normalized in society.

When I was a binge drinker, I categorized the world into two groups: those who drank a lot of alcohol and those who wanted to drink a lot of alcohol. In no way could I fathom that people could find "happiness" without alcohol. My mind was severely warped in those days.

I would wager that many of the promiscuous persuasion cannot understand happiness within a monogamous relationship or with celibacy.

If social stigma keeps some people away from a promiscuous lifestyle, I'm all for it.

Well you are entitled to your opinions and your concerns.

But as you just wrote...there doesnt seem to be any reason to worry about any great expansion in promiscuity in the US.

 

[calamity]

From the sociological reports I’ve encountered over the years, it seems that about 10% of citizens in western societies are sexually promiscuous. They have sex with more than one partner within a time period of around one year. This means, and contrary to popular culture, 90% of us are monogamous or celibate.

The MeToo movement brings a challenge the promiscuous. In order for a casual sexual tryst to happen, both parties need to play the part of a fisherman: appropriate fishing location, appropriate lure, appropriate hook, and skillful play of the fishing line are all needed to land in the objective: get laid! If the fisherman’s game is not played properly, the tryst falls apart. But as this game is being played, one or both parties have to transcend the boundaries of what many people would consider unwanted sexual advances. So this fishing-for-sex game puts the players in a dangerous position as they are figuring out how negotiate with someone for a sexual encounter. The promiscuous can now face consequences: after a certain threshold has been crossed, the prospect can turn a fishing trip into a police charge.

Another angle to this social promiscuity is that some players are fairly direct in their approach. They are either misreading the signals that allow them to take their potential conquest to the next level of negotiation or are just playing a numbers game, knowing that their direct advances sometimes work. For example, a hand on the knee under the table will quickly establish if a potential partner is ready for more action. If the hand is removed, the offending partner knows the game is off—and can move to another prospect. But today, that hand can land the player in a lot of trouble.

While the sociological reports I encountered seem to indicate that poverty and youth enhances promiscuity, all demographic groups have members who are promiscuous. It’s safe to say that that 10% of avid supporters of the MeToo movement are also promiscuous—and are playing a game that is somewhat counter to their message.

So how do promiscuous players play their game in the age of MeToo?

As someone who has done quite a bit of fishing back in the day, I can say you have a flaw in your argument. The fishing ends as soon as one person says "No." Stick to that, and there is never a need to worry about police being called.

 

[TDGonDP]

Well you are entitled to your opinions and your concerns.

But as you just wrote...there doesnt seem to be any reason to worry about any great expansion in promiscuity in the US.

I'm not worried. Despite of increased sexualization of the media in the past two decades, the evidence suggests we are not increasing our activity.

But it would nice to reduce it. Electing more politicians without big libido issues might help.

 

[Lursa]

I'm not worried. Despite of increased sexualization of the media in the past two decades, the evidence suggests we are not increasing our activity.

But it would nice to reduce it. Electing more politicians without big libido issues might help.

Cant say I agree. Such thoughts take us into 'morality police' territory.

 

[TDGonDP]

As someone who has done quite a bit of fishing back in the day, I can say you have a flaw in your argument. The fishing ends as soon as one person says "No." Stick to that, and there is never a need to worry about police being called.

But what if the sex is consensual at the time, but one party changes her/his mind later? Hollywood's casting couch is open for this kind of abuse.

And even if a party is later cleared, there still is the hassle of going through this process.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Tanngrisnir was in by Post #2 and nailed it.
By halfway down the page the odor of incel was so strong it was like an explosion at a commercial ammonia plant.

 

[SDET]

Casual does not equal irresponsible.

Nor does promiscuous.

Just from what I've read so far, you seem to be looking for reasons why not being able to satisfy your desires with women (or men) is good in order to feel better about yourself. Quality is still better than quantity IMO...be a nice person, put yourself out there, deal with rejection...happens to everybody...and get out of your own way. If you sound like a loser, that's how people will see you.

This "nice guy" business doesn't work because of a woman's hypergamous nature. That's why many women despise prostitutes because they disrupt the ability to do with ***** what De Beers did with diamonds. They want the price to be 50% of a successful man's wealth. And don't try to tell me that women don't use a vague, but fake offer of sex to get promotions and other favors.

 

[Lursa]

This "nice guy" business doesn't work because of a woman's hypergamous nature. That's why many women despise prostitutes because they disrupt the ability to do with ***** what De Beers did with diamonds. They want the price to be 50% of a successful man's wealth. And don't try to tell me that women don't use a vague, but fake offer of sex to get promotions and other favors.

And dont tell me men dont lie to get women to sleep with them.

Oh honey, you have yet to make any post here that makes men look superior to women, ethically, in any way.

 

[Cordelier]

From the sociological reports I’ve encountered over the years, it seems that about 10% of citizens in western societies are sexually promiscuous. They have sex with more than one partner within a time period of around one year. This means, and contrary to popular culture, 90% of us are monogamous or celibate.

The MeToo movement brings a challenge the promiscuous. In order for a casual sexual tryst to happen, both parties need to play the part of a fisherman: appropriate fishing location, appropriate lure, appropriate hook, and skillful play of the fishing line are all needed to land in the objective: get laid! If the fisherman’s game is not played properly, the tryst falls apart. But as this game is being played, one or both parties have to transcend the boundaries of what many people would consider unwanted sexual advances. So this fishing-for-sex game puts the players in a dangerous position as they are figuring out how negotiate with someone for a sexual encounter. The promiscuous can now face consequences: after a certain threshold has been crossed, the prospect can turn a fishing trip into a police charge.

Another angle to this social promiscuity is that some players are fairly direct in their approach. They are either misreading the signals that allow them to take their potential conquest to the next level of negotiation or are just playing a numbers game, knowing that their direct advances sometimes work. For example, a hand on the knee under the table will quickly establish if a potential partner is ready for more action. If the hand is removed, the offending partner knows the game is off—and can move to another prospect. But today, that hand can land the player in a lot of trouble.

While the sociological reports I encountered seem to indicate that poverty and youth enhances promiscuity, all demographic groups have members who are promiscuous. It’s safe to say that that 10% of avid supporters of the MeToo movement are also promiscuous—and are playing a game that is somewhat counter to their message.

So how do promiscuous players play their game in the age of MeToo?

When I was single and playing the field, I used to like married women. I found the sex was great, the conversation was interesting... and I learned a lot about a lot. No strings attached relationships with a hint of danger. Married women are just more practical - they know what they want - and they're more emotionally stable. They're probably not going to go all flaky on you. Plus, they can appreciate the importance of discretion.

 

[lurchadams]

From the sociological reports I’ve encountered over the years, it seems that about 10% of citizens in western societies are sexually promiscuous. They have sex with more than one partner within a time period of around one year. This means, and contrary to popular culture, 90% of us are monogamous or celibate.

The MeToo movement brings a challenge the promiscuous. In order for a casual sexual tryst to happen, both parties need to play the part of a fisherman: appropriate fishing location, appropriate lure, appropriate hook, and skillful play of the fishing line are all needed to land in the objective: get laid! If the fisherman’s game is not played properly, the tryst falls apart. But as this game is being played, one or both parties have to transcend the boundaries of what many people would consider unwanted sexual advances. So this fishing-for-sex game puts the players in a dangerous position as they are figuring out how negotiate with someone for a sexual encounter. The promiscuous can now face consequences: after a certain threshold has been crossed, the prospect can turn a fishing trip into a police charge.

Another angle to this social promiscuity is that some players are fairly direct in their approach. They are either misreading the signals that allow them to take their potential conquest to the next level of negotiation or are just playing a numbers game, knowing that their direct advances sometimes work. For example, a hand on the knee under the table will quickly establish if a potential partner is ready for more action. If the hand is removed, the offending partner knows the game is off—and can move to another prospect. But today, that hand can land the player in a lot of trouble.

While the sociological reports I encountered seem to indicate that poverty and youth enhances promiscuity, all demographic groups have members who are promiscuous. It’s safe to say that that 10% of avid supporters of the MeToo movement are also promiscuous—and are playing a game that is somewhat counter to their message.

So how do promiscuous players play their game in the age of MeToo?

Yes, humans from all walks of life like to have sex. What a revelation.

 

[whatisanopinion]

Awww are the men getting selfish and defensive because theyre no longer gonna be able to get their way? Times up.

 

[Rich2018]

And dont tell me men dont lie to get women to sleep with them.

Oh honey, you have yet to make any post here that makes men look superior to women, ethically, in any way.

Or women lie to get men ?

What is make up or a corset but a lie ?

 

[The Auditor]

Today's hot take: No means no.

 

[noonereal]

From the sociological reports I’ve encountered over the years, it seems that about 10% of citizens in western societies are sexually promiscuous. They have sex with more than one partner within a time period of around one year. This means, and contrary to popular culture, 90% of us are monogamous or celibate.

This is because most people are losers, mopes.

They simply don't have the skill set to find partners.

Let's get serious.

 

[Lursa]

Or women lie to get men ?

What is make up or a corset but a lie ?

It seems you didnt understand the exchange between SDET and I or you wouldn't have written that.

 

[Rich2018]

Today's hot take: No means no.

And when a woman is mean to you or ignores you, it means she not interested in you absolutely at all.

 

[Rich2018]

It seems you didnt understand the exchange between SDET and I or you wouldn't have written that.

Possibly, I'm not good at having the patience to trawl back through a thread but the comment still stands on its own.

 

[Lursa]

Possibly, I'm not good at having the patience to trawl back through a thread but the comment still stands on its own.

No, it doesnt.

 

[Rich2018]

No, it doesnt.

Said the pantomime star.

Oh yes it does.