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Progressives, Trust Your Gut -- Elizabeth Warren is Not One of Us

Josie said:
Progressives, trust your gut: Elizabeth Warren is not one of us | Nathan Robinson | Opinion | The Guardian

I thought some of you might find this to be an interesting article. Thoughts?
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Bwahahahhaahah!!! Forgive me for ignoring what a Libertarian Right leaning person has to say on the subject. I'm not sure what exactly you think a progressive is, but she has all the correct goals, and better more actionable plans to actually reach them. Warren is one of the smartest policy people in DC. If her ideas are't good enough for you then it's time for you consider the possibility that your ideas aren't very good.
 
MrWonka said:
Bwahahahhaahah!!! Forgive me for ignoring what a Libertarian Right leaning person has to say on the subject. I'm not sure what exactly you think a progressive is, but she has all the correct goals, and better more actionable plans to actually reach them. Warren is one of the smartest policy people in DC. If her ideas are't good enough for you then it's time for you consider the possibility that your ideas aren't very good.
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You think someone that advocates socialism is a Libertarian Right leaning person?
 
Josie said:
Progressives, trust your gut: Elizabeth Warren is not one of us | Nathan Robinson | Opinion | The Guardian

I thought some of you might find this to be an interesting article. Thoughts?
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Warren is as progressive - and as much a socialist - as Obama.

Which is to say she is a conservative corporatist, as Obama.

Liberals (ie: conservative corporatists) choose not to see this, but the left hasn't trusted her since 2016.

If she supported ANY of the things she pretends to, she would have gone all in for Bernie when he had his only chance to win.

She didn't.

She's a fraud.
 
ajn678 said:
You think someone that advocates socialism is a Libertarian Right leaning person?
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Really, so please show where Elizabeth Warren thinks ALL companies should be owned by the community. Because THAT'S socialism and she isn't advocating that. Look at you lying again. Dishonest comments from cons again. You wouldn't know socialism if it reached behind and goosed you. :lamo
 
Sounds like the Bernie Bros think she is stealing Bernie's votes.

Biden has the same problem with other centrist candidates like Buttigieg, only Biden is a centrist and not a progressive.

Those Bernie Bros are vicious.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Warren is as progressive - and as much a socialist - as Obama.

Which is to say she is a conservative corporatist, as Obama.

Liberals (ie: conservative corporatists) choose not to see this, but the left hasn't trusted her since 2016.

If she supported ANY of the things she pretends to, she would have gone all in for Bernie when he had his only chance to win.

She didn't.

She's a fraud.
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No one who's voting Democratic cares what Trump supporters say about the Democratic candidates. You don't even support Bernie Sanders.
 
MrWonka said:
Bwahahahhaahah!!! Forgive me for ignoring what a Libertarian Right leaning person has to say on the subject. I'm not sure what exactly you think a progressive is, but she has all the correct goals, and better more actionable plans to actually reach them. Warren is one of the smartest policy people in DC. If her ideas are't good enough for you then it's time for you consider the possibility that your ideas aren't very good.
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As noted in the OP linked opinion piece, Warren's plans tend to "evolve" rather quickly - especially her M4A plan. Warren's biggest and most obvious lie is that federal spending could be doubled without increasing taxation on the middle class.
 
swing_voter said:
Sounds like the Bernie Bros think she is stealing Bernie's votes.

Biden has the same problem with other centrist candidates like Buttigieg, only Biden is a centrist and not a progressive.

Those Bernie Bros are vicious.
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Yep, that's what it read like to me. Anyone on Twitter sees that same whining from Bernie supporters every time they check in. He's the One True Savior and everyone else is just a pretender.
 
I have my issues with Warren, but overall, I like her much more than the rest of the people in the primary (besides Bernie of course). If she ends up being the nominee, I'll most certainly vote for her when election time comes 'round, more enthusiastically than if it was Biden or someone like that.
 
JasperL said:
No one who's voting Democratic cares what Trump supporters say about the Democratic candidates. You don't even support Bernie Sanders.
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As I've told you numerous times previously, I'm not a Trump supporter.

The fact that you believe I am, however, is a HUGE part of the Democrat Problem.

2016 was so revolting, and every year since as well, that I plan never to vote Democrat again.

(I'd only vote for Yang or Gabbard on an alternate line.)

The liberal impeachment frenzy, preceded by feverish liberal support for sociopathic conservative warmonger Hillary Clinton, has destroyed the Democrat Party.

It is a house in ruin, burned down by its occupants.

And rather than recognizing this, and fixing it, Democrats are doubling down on the self-destruction by pursuing the insanity of impeachment.

What was briefly a proud party has descended into a lynch mob.

What was once a party marginally preferable to the Republican is now vastly worse.

This is the truth.

This is reality.

But rather than seeing this, the former party - now a lynch mob - sees only their target (Trump), and anyone who speaks truth becomes another target of the mob, a "them" rather than an "us."

I no longer support Bernie - though I still like him - because he has gone off the rails, replacing his rational populism with a self-parody in which he seems less himself than Larry David's impersonation of him.

Your party can ONLY resuscitate itself if it embraces reality.

Until then, it is a horde of addicts looking for its next frenzied fix of irrational Trump hate.

Good luck on the quest back to reality to all who may someday choose to make that journey.

Until then...

:hm
 
I don't necessarily subscribe to Warren's platform, but if she is nominated by the Dems she gets my vote.
 
TheGoverness said:
I have my issues with Warren, but overall, I like her much more than the rest of the people in the primary (besides Bernie of course). If she ends up being the nominee, I'll most certainly vote for her when election time comes 'round, more enthusiastically than if it was Biden or someone like that.
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I felt the same way about pre-2016 Warren.

But 2016 until now has stripped the veneer off.

She's actually less trustworthy than Hillary.
 
Josie said:
Progressives, trust your gut: Elizabeth Warren is not one of us | Nathan Robinson | Opinion | The Guardian

I thought some of you might find this to be an interesting article. Thoughts?
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Harris and Biden's track records are just as horrible. Steyer is even worse. I often criticize democrats who call themselves progressive while supporting the establishment. This is why. No matter, they will just believe that the tiger has changed its stripes and they have "evolved".
 
ajn678 said:
You think someone that advocates socialism is a Libertarian Right leaning person?
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That's what her political lean is listed as in her bio. So either she should change her bio or stop trying to tell us what a progressive is.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
As noted in the OP linked opinion piece, Warren's plans tend to "evolve" rather quickly - especially her M4A plan. Warren's biggest and most obvious lie is that federal spending could be doubled without increasing taxation on the middle class.
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You don't seem to know how lies work. The math works out just fine.
 
MrWonka said:
That's what her political lean is listed as in her bio. So either she should change her bio or stop trying to tell us what a progressive is.
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Progressive = Conservative in denial
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Then why is Warren backing away from M4A?
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She'd back away from her beloved Cherokee grandmother while wolves ate her...

...if it would give Lizzie power.

Warren = An utter fraud
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Then why is Warren backing away from M4A?
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She isn't. She's advocating for a slow transition to it rather than a sharp break. That is a responsible thing to do. Make sure you have a good public system that's working well for the people before you destroy the entire private health insurance industry.
 
MrWonka said:
Bwahahahhaahah!!! Forgive me for ignoring what a Libertarian Right leaning person has to say on the subject. I'm not sure what exactly you think a progressive is, but she has all the correct goals, and better more actionable plans to actually reach them. Warren is one of the smartest policy people in DC. If her ideas are't good enough for you then it's time for you consider the possibility that your ideas aren't very good.
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Correct goals as in massive government nanny state? That's teh progressive goal? Cradle to Grave care from Momma Gov?
 
3leftsdoo said:
As I've told you numerous times previously, I'm not a Trump supporter.

The fact that you believe I am, however, is a HUGE part of the Democrat Problem.

2016 was so revolting, and every year since as well, that I plan never to vote Democrat again.

(I'd only vote for Yang or Gabbard on an alternate line.)
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There you go - if you will never vote Democratic again, why should Democrats care what you think of the candidates? And if you pledge not to vote Democratic, you're a supporter of Trump and the Trump era GOP. Those are the alternatives - we have two parties, there will be TWO candidates who will run for President with an opportunity to win.

Yes, I see ideologues on the left who believe the entire world should bend to their particular wishes and if they can't find the ultimate, ideologically pure candidate of their choice, they cannot lower themselves to vote for the alternative, but they're all IMO stupid and self absorbed morons.

You've chosen a side and it's with Trump and McConnell and Nunes and Jordan and all the rest who oppose every single policy supported by Sanders, and Yang and Tulsi, and you trash those that share maybe 80% of those goals or more. The OP talks about healthcare. We know the GOP stance on it and it's if you're poor, **** you. Get a better job you loser. That's pretty much it. Every single Democrat on the stage has a better option, and if Democrats aren't elected to Congress, we'll get the "**** you poor people" policy for the indefinite future. We don't have to guess - we saw their plan in 2017. It was worse in every way than the ACA.

So don't pretend you give a damn about healthcare because you don't, if your pledge is to never vote Democratic. You're signed onto the "**** the poor" plan of Trump and the GOP. And no one voting Democratic cares what you think of the candidates.
 
MrWonka said:
She isn't. She's advocating for a slow transition to it rather than a sharp break. That is a responsible thing to do. Make sure you have a good public system that's working well for the people before you destroy the entire private health insurance industry.
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It's almost not worth it. The Warren haters are either right wingers who we know will vote for Trump, or Bernie Bros who are impressed that Bernie will introduce MFA on his first day, but don't care that if Democrats don't have about 70 seats in the Senate it will then die on the first day.
 
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