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Pro-life or anti-choice?

cpwill said:
You didn't answer the question. Will you accept your own logic if applied to your side, ie: if I can show you examples of pro choicers being dishonest, does that mean that you and other pro choicers secretly believe that you are killing children, and ate just pro-murdering-babies?
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I believe i did answer. It is not necessary for me to believe the lie.

And no, you are not giving me back my own logic. Even if you could and it is well noted that so far you have not, shown an example of pro choice lies. That has no logical connection to why i would then have to start believing lies told by pro lifers.

Logic does not dictate a tit for tat response. It is not logical to assume that your making a mirror claim on my point about pro life is any form of defense for the lying the pro life group does.
 
cpwill said:
You didn't answer the question. Will you accept your own logic if applied to your side, ie: if I can show you examples of pro choicers being dishonest, does that mean that you and other pro choicers secretly believe that you are killing children, and ate just pro-murdering-babies?
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You keep talking a big story about pro-choice lies, but so far you haven't posted even one. Either can the accusations or produce some lies.
 
TypicalRussian said:
there is no right to kill
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The right to have an abortion is the law, you can whine all you want, you can call anything you want for all I care, it just is a fact that it is a woman's right to have an early abortion. Also, abortion is not killing, killing would be if you would have a child and then kill it. Making sure it does not gestate prior to birth is not killing.
 
Peter King said:
The right to have an abortion is the law, you can whine all you want, you can call anything you want for all I care, it just is a fact that it is a woman's right to have an early abortion. Also, abortion is not killing, killing would be if you would have a child and then kill it. Making sure it does not gestate prior to birth is not killing.
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no it is not a right
 
TypicalRussian said:
no it is not a right
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And you do know what reality is? You have at least heard of Roe v. Wade? Or are you acting like you cannot understand the laws in the US because they do not fit with your extremist abortion views?

In a majority opinion written by Justice Harry A. Blackmun, the Court held that a set of Texas statutes criminalizing abortion in most instances violated a woman’s constitutional right of privacy, which it found to be implicit in the liberty guarantee of the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendmen
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Not only is being able to decide to have an abortion a right, it is a constitutional right.
 
Peter King said:
And you do know what reality is? You have at least heard of Roe v. Wade? Or are you acting like you cannot understand the laws in the US because they do not fit with your extremist abortion views?



Not only is being able to decide to have an abortion a right, it is a constitutional right.
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roe vs wade is bs
 
soylentgreen said:
And no, you are not giving me back my own logic.
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Indeed I am. You (and others) have argued in this thread that the fact that there are pro lifers who have lied means that all pro lifers must be assumed to be lying when they state that the reason they are pro life is because they believe that an unborn human child is an unborn human child, with rights thereunto pertaining, and that they must instead believe what the pro-choice movement wants them to believe, which is that they simply wish to suppress women.

Turning that around is entirely fair - if pro choicers can be shown to have lied, doesn't that - by the same logic - have the same implications as those you raise for pro-lifers? Or is this a good for the goose but not for the Gander, yes for thee but not for me situation?

:)
 
weaver2 said:
Here you go CPWill: Chain of Christian Pregnancy Centers to Offer Contraceptives – NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth.
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I read this link and nowhere did I see any Pro Lifers making the argument that:

weaver2 said:
pro-life women "find themselves pregnant" just like Mary-mother-of-God and but women who seek abortions are sluts that spread their legs to every man and according to the pro-life movement deserve to be punished.
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So, I'm forced to conclude that either you are so colored by hatred for those who are different than you that you lack the ability to perform critical thinking, or, you are being deliberately dishonest.

Which would be handy. Now we know that - according to the logic you have put forward - your dishonesty in this thread indicates that you do, in fact, believe an unborn human child is an unborn human child, and you just want to murder babies.


Because that's how it works, right? If you or anyone else you agree with on a single issue is ever deceptive, then that means I get to declare what everyone who agrees with you on that particular topic secretly believes what is most convenient for me.
 
Peter King said:
Roe v. Wade is the law, if you don't like that, well then it sucks to be you.
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Indeed, though, not as much as it sucks for those who didn't survive the abortionist.
 
cpwill said:
Indeed, though, not as much as it sucks for those who didn't survive the abortionist.
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If you have no concept "sucks" you really aren't going to think something sucks now will it. A 7 week embryo doesn't know life can suck, in all reality it knows absolutely FFing nothing.
 
Peter King said:
If you have no concept "sucks" you really aren't going to think something sucks now will it. A 7 week embryo doesn't know life can suck, in all reality it knows absolutely FFing nothing.
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:) And where do you stand on Fetal Pain restrictions.
 
cpwill said:
I read this link and nowhere did I see any Pro Lifers making the argument that:
So, I'm forced to conclude that either you are so colored by hatred for those who are different than you that you lack the ability to perform critical thinking, or, you are being deliberately dishonest.
Which would be handy. Now we know that - according to the logic you have put forward - your dishonesty in this thread indicates that you do, in fact, believe an unborn human child is an unborn human child, and you just want to murder babies.
Because that's how it works, right? If you or anyone else you agree with on a single issue is ever deceptive, then that means I get to declare what everyone who agrees with you on that particular topic secretly believes what is most convenient for me.
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CP, you should quit while you are ahead. You are a nice Kumbya kinda guy that seems to really wants both sides to get along, which is a really sweet but your answers to the last several posts indicate you haven't a clue what anyone is talking about.
 
weaver2 said:
CP, you should quit while you are ahead. You are a nice Kumbya kinda guy that seems to really wants both sides to get along, which is a really sweet but your answers to the last several posts indicate you haven't a clue what anyone is talking about.
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Thank you for your kind words - but, respectfully, quite the contrary; if anything, this conversation seems to be reinforcing that it is you who do not understand others, and do not wish to. :-/
 
cpwill said:
Thank you for your kind words - but, respectfully, quite the contrary; if anything, this conversation seems to be reinforcing that it is you who do not understand others, and do not wish to. :-/
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OK. we'll go with that. I haven't a clue what you think you are talking about.
 
cpwill said:
Indeed I am. You (and others) have argued in this thread that the fact that there are pro lifers who have lied means that all pro lifers must be assumed to be lying when they state that the reason they are pro life is because they believe that an unborn human child is an unborn human child, with rights thereunto pertaining, and that they must instead believe what the pro-choice movement wants them to believe, which is that they simply wish to suppress women.

Turning that around is entirely fair - if pro choicers can be shown to have lied, doesn't that - by the same logic - have the same implications as those you raise for pro-lifers? Or is this a good for the goose but not for the Gander, yes for thee but not for me situation?

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No, I have made no such assumption. Nor is it the case that in every debate with a pro lifer a lie is used. There's is side that abounds with flawed arguments. The next step down and another frequently used trick by the pro life group is to misrepresent, ie. calling themselves pro choice but insisting that they must be given the right to determine what those choices should be for a woman.

Pro lifers are also most likely to demonise a woman. Name calling, shaming and accusations of not thinking, being frivolous and uncaring.

As for your particular example. That is one you made up rather than point to an argument a pro choice person has made. That a pro lifer believes that an unborn human child is an unborn human child, with rights is not the problem. That a pro lifer cannot argue his belief without resorting to one of many tricks and lies makes me and other pro choicers want to point out that your arguments at least make more sense if we assume they are based on the reasoning that men should control what happens to women's bodies.
 
cpwill said:
:) And where do you stand on Fetal Pain restrictions.
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And this has what t do with elective abortions? Something that is done in the earliest part of the pregnancy?

Also, the pain receptors in a fetus of 24 weeks might work, normal elective abortions by that time are not done anymore, so there must the an exigent reason like saving the mother's life or fetal abnormality that make the abortion necessary.
 
cpwill said:
Uhuh. So, it seems, you don't actually care about Choice or the young women involved at all. Or, at least, it seems, you don't care about those things as much as you care about denigrating people who aren't in your tribe.
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That's not true. Of course I care, about women who do want choice, even when that choice is to have an abortion.

That's why I have no respect for CPCs. These places don't respect a woman's right to choose abortion. So they do whatever they feel is "necessary" to trick women out of having an abortion and into having a baby they never wanted in the first place.
 
Blue Donkey said:
If you oppose abortion, does only the objective, factual knowledge of biological human development from zygote to adult matter? Or do you think women need to be controlled by men and are too stupid to deserve bodily autonomy rights?

How smart are you about gynecology and obstetrics? Do you fully understand how women feel when they are pregnant with potential offspring that have only a 1/3 chance of being born?
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What if my preference on abortion is not guided by either of your propagandistic lines of bias?
 
code1211 said:
What if my preference on abortion is not guided by either of your propagandistic lines of bias?
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Women still have the right to choose abortion, no matter what your "preference on abortion" is.
 
OceanBlues1 said:
That's not true. Of course I care, about women who do want choice, even when that choice is to have an abortion.
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Sadly, evidently, not. You want women to have the choice to have an abortion, but don't like organizations that exist to gice young women in hard straits who may feel that they don't have a choice options. You don't like the organizations that exist to support women if they choose not to have an abortion.

You are prioritizing supporting abortion over supporting women's actual ability to make and be supported in choosing.
 
cpwill said:
Sadly, evidently, not. You want women to have the choice to have an abortion, but don't like organizations that exist to gice young women in hard straits who may feel that they don't have a choice options. You don't like the organizations that exist to support women if they choose not to have an abortion.
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No, what she doesn't like is organisations lying to or tricking women into not aborting when they want to (abort).
 
Scrabaholic said:
No, what she doesn't like is organisations lying to or tricking women into not aborting when they want to (abort).
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:snorts: no. No one can force anyone to walk into or accept the help of a pregnancy center. What the pro choice crowd hates about the centers is that they are from the Other Tribe. Meaning that the value hating that tribe more than they value providing women actual choice - including the ability to choose them.

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cpwill said:
:snorts: no. No one can force anyone to walk into or accept the help of a pregnancy center. What the pro choice crowd hates about the centers is that they are from the Other Tribe. Meaning that the value hating that tribe more than they value providing women actual choice - including the ability to choose them.

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Why are you defending lying and tricking people?
 
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