Pro-Bernie group to boost Joe

[swing_voter]

“Our organization fought fiercely in the primaries for Bernie and against Biden,” said RootsAction.org co-founders Jeff Cohen and Norman Solomon in a statement. “But the general election is far less about Biden than it is about Trump — the most dangerous president in modern U.S. history, who opposes virtually every policy and principle that progressives are fighting for.”

The group said leftist professor Noam Chomsky, former Sanders surrogate Linda Sarsour, ex-Sanders adviser Winnie Wong, longtime Sanders ally RoseAnn DeMoro, Medicare for All advocate Ady Barkan, Code Pink founder Medea Benjamin and ex-Sanders campaign co-chair Rep. Ro Khanna are among those who have signed onto its “#VoteTrumpOut” initiative.

The organization’s kickoff video, which stars Chomsky, paints a picture of a world that is under threat by imminent climate disaster and President Donald Trump.

‘We have to get rid of Trump’: Pro-Bernie group launches effort to boost Biden - POLITICO

Do you think Bernie supporters who help Joe Biden will help or hurt?




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[Casper]

Do you think Bernie supporters who help Joe Biden will help or hurt?




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Looks like the claim that the Bernie boys would not back Biden are now put to rest. Every vote against trump is a good vote.

 

[Chomsky]

Do you think Bernie supporters who help Joe Biden will help or hurt?




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At this point, with the demonization that automatically comes from te Right, I don't see how any additional vote will hurt. The more, the merrier!

 

[Phys251]

Do you think Bernie supporters who help Joe Biden will help or hurt?




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Most Bernie supporters realize that (1) Joe is surprisingly progressive, (2) even if he's not, progressivism has no chance under 45, (3) if fascism gets four more years, it might become permanent.

 

[Chomsky]

Looks like the claim that the Bernie boys would not back Biden are now put to rest. Every vote against trump is a good vote.

Bingo! We'll take 'em where we get 'em!

 

[Chomsky]

Most Bernie supporters realize that (1) Joe is surprisingly progressive, (2) even if he's not, progressivism has no chance under 45, (3) if fascism gets four more years, it might become permanent.

I believe right now the Dems would vote for the proverbial ham sandwich. That's the hatred towards Trump, I'm seeing. Nothing I've ever seen, not 'Nam, not Civil Rights, has united & motivated the Dems like Trump. It's pretty amazing, to be honest.

Nixon may have been vehemently despised by young people. But it seems the entire Dem Party, all ages & demographics, seem to dislike - no despise - Trump and with a passion. Can an election be won on the dislike of a sitting President? I believe very much so. It's what forced Nixon out, preemptively. And it could happen, here.

 

[eman623]

It might hurt Biden if it creates an impression in the minds of the independents that a vote for Biden is a vote for Bernie.

 

[Casper]

It might hurt Biden if it creates an impression in the minds of the independents that a vote for Biden is a vote for Bernie.

I am an Independent and several of my friends are also, not one I know would let this affect their vote, other than it shows the Dems are United in getting trump out.

 

[eman623]

I am an Independent and several of my friends are also, not one I know would let this affect their vote, other than it shows the Dems are United in getting trump out.

"I can't believe Nixon won; everyone I know voted for McGovern." - Film critic Pauline Kael, after learning that Nixon won the 1972 presidential election.

 

[Craig234]

I believe right now the Dems would vote for the proverbial ham sandwich.

They sort of did.

 

[Craig234]

an an election be won on the dislike of a sitting President? I believe very much so. It's what forced Nixon out, preemptively. And it could happen, here.

Wait a second. I have a very low opinion of Nixon, but he won re-election by 49 states. What forced him out wasn't dislike, but evidence of crimes and a Congress that actually would impeach and convict. The dislike came after.

 

[Craig234]

Alternative thread title: Corporatist Democratic smear of Bernie and his supporters shown false as usual.

 

[Casper]

"I can't believe Nixon won; everyone I know voted for McGovern." - Film critic Pauline Kael, after learning that Nixon won the 1972 presidential election.

Many knew he would, really did not come as a surprise to most, but the amount he won by did surprise many.

 

[Craig234]

Many knew he would, really did not come as a surprise to most, but the amount he won by did surprise many.

Let's remember that Nixon picked his opponent, using dirty tricks to eliminate the frontrunner who had a good chance to beat him. One of a long string of Republican dirty tricks to win elections, including 1968, 1980, 1988, 2000, and 2016.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Do you think Bernie supporters who help Joe Biden will help or hurt?




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Put it this way...
This morning Paul Begala said that the Democratic Party coalition is the widest it has ever been in the history of the country.
He's talking about how big "the tent" is.

"Our party coalition includes everything from four star generals all the way to Black Lives Matter."

He didn't even mention the outside coalition of former GOP members and operatives who also intend to vote for Biden.
Will it help or hurt? Since this is about the election, obviously the wider the tent, the better the chances, so I'd say it will help, plus Joe Biden is making the effort to evolve the platform. That doesn't mean he's the perfect candidate but no one is, and it doesn't mean that these groups won't hold Joe's feet to the fire once he is in.
Far as I'm concerned everyone needs to hold Joe's feet to the fire if he is elected, but clearly the more people there are, the better the chance Joe will be able to get needed legislation passed and the better chance he can do constructive things.

 

[Casper]

Let's remember that Nixon picked his opponent, using dirty tricks to eliminate the frontrunner who had a good chance to beat him. One of a long string of Republican dirty tricks to win elections, including 1968, 1980, 1988, 2000, and 2016.

Oh, I know, lived through all those elections.

 

[Surrealistik]

Most Bernie supporters realize that (1) Joe is surprisingly progressive, (2) even if he's not, progressivism has no chance under 45, (3) if fascism gets four more years, it might become permanent.

It's really 2. The 'Settle for Biden' campaign essentially encompasses the spirit/zeitgeist of progressives (including Warren supporters who are its other big backers).

Gonna be honest, few progressives have any meaningful degree of confidence in someone who openly told his mega donors that 'nothing would fundamentally change' and, much more recently told them that he didn't plan to create legislation to combat corporate malfeasance immediately after he acknowledged it as a problem, while essentially paying lip service to the issues that are causing mass protests and riots in this country, but at the end of the day, he's ultimately better than an unthinkable alternative.

Trump is an exceedingly low bar to clear, but Joe did so nonetheless, even though that's not saying much.


The main thing is that Joe shouldn't look to a win as a mandate to continue the status quo without anything in the way of substantive change, but rather as a repudiation of Trump, which it is, and which his soaring numbers in spite of his inaction and passivity clearly attest to.

 

[Craig234]

Oh, I know, lived through all those elections.

But in some, the dirty tricks weren't known to the public until years later.

 

[Casper]

But in some, the dirty tricks weren't known to the public until years later.

True we had to learn how corrupt our government is, yet today we still do not hold them accountable, so who's fault is that?

 

[Craig234]

True we had to learn how corrupt our government is, yet today we still do not hold them accountable, so who's fault is that?

Voters, media, minions, and politicians who support it.

 

[Casper]

Voters, media, minions, and politicians who support it.

Send it to trump and then ask him in five minutes to repeat it.....LOL, sorry couldn't resist.

But Yes, hence why I have Always been an Independent, and will remain so.

 

[Craig234]

Send it to trump and then ask him in five minutes to repeat it.....LOL, sorry couldn't resist.

Cute.

But Yes, hence why I have Always been an Independent, and will remain so.

That's ok, but what's your objection to supporting the Democrats?

 

[Casper]

Cute.



That's ok, but what's your objection to supporting the Democrats?

I will be this year and did in 2018, the rest of the time I voted on each candidate Individually and same with the issues. The Dems have their issues also and a few of them are nonstarters for me.

 

[eman623]

Many knew he would, really did not come as a surprise to most, but the amount he won by did surprise many.

You missed my point which is you and your friends are not a statistically relevant data sample. Whether you and all of your independent voter friends care if the Bernie Bros support Biden or not is irrelevant.

Of course, Biden can't control who supports him, but independents may not like it if Biden gets too close to Sanders.

 

[Casper]

You missed my point which is you and your friends are not a statistically relevant data sample. Whether you and all of your independent voter friends care if the Bernie Bros support Biden or not is irrelevant.

Of course, Biden can't control who supports him, but independents may not like it if Biden gets too close to Sanders.

He wont the two philosophies don't really have that much in common. What they do have in common, along with a whole lot of Independents, is knowledge that trump has got to go.