Private businesses should legally be allowed to deny service to anybody they want for any reason.

[vegas giants]

Strawman.

That's not what anybody wants.

I think it is exactly what some people want

 

[roguenuke]

So what? It's a private business, not a charity.

A private business open to the public, utilizing public infrastructure, including currency, and that agreed to abide by rules set forth for business operation by the public.

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[CaughtInThe]

Strawman.

That's not what anybody wants.

and yet that's what would happen.

 

[roguenuke]

Their right that says I should be legally mandated to enter into a contract I don't want to enter into?

You agreed to do so in a different contract with the state, municipality when you opened that business.

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[roguenuke]

Strawman.

That's not what anybody wants.

It is what you are advocating for because without anti discrimination laws it could be more common than it is now.

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[dex4974]

You agreed to do so in a different contract with the state, municipality when you opened that business.

I wasn't given a choice.

 

[roguenuke]

I wasn't given a choice.

You were if you chose to open a business to the public. That is part of the agreement because you benefit hugely by being able to serve the public, advertise to the whole public, rather than specifically having to privately get to know your clientele and sell directly to them.

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[dex4974]

You agreed to do so in a different contract with the state, municipality when you opened that business.

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Believing businesses shouldn't be mandated into entering contracts does not mean I am advocating for some strawman scenario you're using to try to make a point. That's not how reality works.

 

[CaughtInThe]

it's interesting that our biggest homegrown terrorist organization (the Ku Klux Klan) was/is very much in favor of businesses being about to serve only those they want to serve.

starting in 1866.

 

[dex4974]

and yet that's what would happen.

Sometimes you're given two bad options with potential consequences. Choosing the option you feel is more just does not make you responsible for the consequences of the other. You live in a strange reality if you believe otherwise.

 

[dex4974]

it's interesting that our biggest homegrown terrorist organization (the Ku Klux Klan) was/is very much in favor of businesses being about to serve only those they want to serve.

starting in 1866.

Yeah and communists that want to murder/pillage the billionaires vote for Democrats. Does that mean you're the same as them, or is reality more grey than that?

 

[vegas giants]

I wasn't given a choice.

Of course you were

 

[CaughtInThe]

Sometimes you're given two bad options with potential consequences. Choosing the option you feel is more just does not make you responsible for the consequences of the other. You live in a strange reality if you believe otherwise.

yeah, it's not like we had whites only restaurants, gas stations and churches or anything.

 

[vegas giants]

Sometimes you're given two bad options with potential consequences. Choosing the option you feel is more just does not make you responsible for the consequences of the other. You live in a strange reality if you believe otherwise.

You are not forced to engage in any contract

 

[CaughtInThe]

Yeah and communists that want to murder/pillage the billionaires vote for Democrats. Does that mean you're the same as them, or is reality more grey than that?

i'm just saying that the KKK wants the same thing. businesses that can discriminate.

sorry if that hurts.

 

[dex4974]

You were if you chose to open a business to the public. That is part of the agreement because you benefit hugely by being able to serve the public, advertise to the whole public, rather than specifically having to privately get to know your clientele and sell directly to them.

My other option was to not have a business and not utilize my potential to its fullest. I was not given a real option. I'm not going to work for somebody like some boob. The public and government benefit from private businesses. It's a two way street. None of that means it's justified to mandate private businesses to enter into contracts they don't want to enter into. The precedent is dangerous.

 

[dex4974]

i'm just saying that the KKK wants the same thing. businesses that can discriminate.

sorry if that hurts.

I'm just saying communists want lots of the same things Democrats do. Why is it relevant?

 

[dex4974]

yeah, it's not like we had whites only restaurants, gas stations and churches or anything.

I am not responsible for how other businesses would utilize their freedom of choice.

 

[vegas giants]

I am not responsible for how other businesses would utilize their freedom of choice.

No but we are

 

[Master Debator]

My other option was to not have a business and not utilize my potential to its fullest. I was not given a real option. I'm not going to work for somebody like some boob. The public and government benefit from private businesses. It's a two way street. None of that means it's justified to mandate private businesses to enter into contracts they don't want to.

We've been over this already. Justified in the legal sense, is simple what is madated by law. Justified by your moral sense is simply your opinion which means **** all to any one here.

You want to drive on public roads? You also have to enter into a contract for a drivers license, no different with your business. Don't like it? You can always move to some lawless ****hole.

:shrug:

 

[Lisa]

If some bakery owner wants to deny service to openly gay people, or if Cleetus the bar owner wants to deny service to people of color in his bar out in the sticks, that should be legally acceptable in my opinion. If somebody is willing to limit their own sales because they feel so strongly about not wanting to serve somebody, they should be allowed to deny their service. Somebody that invested in and built their own business should not be forced by the government to do business they don't want to do. If I want to turn down your money I should be legally allowed to do that for any stupid or illogical reason that I want. Nobody should have legal grounds to sue me because I refused to do business with them. It is ridiculous that it triggers national outrage and people get sued over not providing their private service to individuals.

Personally I wouldn't purchase services from a business like that and I would encourage others to do the same, but the government shouldn't be involved. It's all about not giving the government precedence to exert more control over the private sector. The government always has a good reason when it takes us an inch closer to their complete control of our lives and decisions.

Protecting equal rights for others, especially minorities is not in any way totalitarian. This is the core reason that we have the Bill of Rights that guarantees equal rights for all people and not just those of any majority.

Your idea would be fascist because only white heterosexual Christian males would have rights because they own most of the money and have the majority political power. Business owners have the right to make their business a private business where they can picvk and choose who can be served but any person who can add and subject mnore than 4 numbers knows that busibness would fail because there arent enough custiomers and many intelligent people would be oppoosed to that discrmination.

 

[roguenuke]

My other option was to not have a business and not utilize my potential to its fullest. I was not given a real option. I'm not going to work for somebody like some boob. The public and government benefit from private businesses. It's a two way street. None of that means it's justified to mandate private businesses to enter into contracts they don't want to enter into. The precedent is dangerous.

It does mean you have to live by our rules in our society. You are free to try to sell your wares elsewhere, somewhere that doesnt have discrimination rules.

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[CaughtInThe]

I am not responsible for how other businesses would utilize their freedom of choice.

which is why we had to force people (like the KKK members) to sell gas black people.

 

[j brown's body]

Government could not exist as is without the taxes extracted from private businesses and individuals. Also I don't agree with your premise anyway. Private interests would create vital infrastructure in the absence of a government to do so. It is ridiculous to force somebody through law to do business with and take money from somebody when they don't want to.

But they haven't. Our tax dollars have. So your argument is nothing more than speculation. My argument holds. It is ridiculous to allow discriminate against those who enable, through their tax dollars, businesses to function in the first place.

 

[dex4974]

Justified by your moral sense is simply your opinion which means **** all to any one here.

Your opinion is worth exactly the same. We are all here to toss our worthless opinions around for feedback. I'm aware of what's going on here; you seem confused somehow.