Presidents Since JFK Rated From Worst to First--- Mashmont's List

[ttwtt78640]

How do troll threads make 5 pages?

Posts like this get added to them.

 

[Mashmont]

2.3 GDP is not booming. Unemployment has dropped 1% under Trump. The drop from 10% to 4.7% was under Obama.

Trump is full of crap. The only thing booming is the deficit because he gave away tax dollars to corporations.

An average of 2.55 for Trump, and that includes the first year when Trump was getting us out of the 0bummer recession.

 

[Mashmont]

How do troll threads make 5 pages?

What's a troll thread? One that attracts leftwing trolls? Because those are the only kind I've ever seen on here.

 

[independentusa]

I have lived through every president on this list, and remember first-hand their administrations except for JFK’s. With Kennedy, I was only vaguely aware, even though I was a very small child. I have been blessed with a great memory. My older siblings and parents were very current-events conscious and I learned from that. So here is my list from first to worst (sorry, headline has it backwards)

1. Donald Trump -- I didn’t think anyone could surpass Reagan, but Trump has already done so. He’s proven unafraid to go where no man has dared: illegal immigration, trade fairness, energy independence, Israel, and overcoming racist and homophobic charges. When he goes after entitlements and the deficit in his second term, that will cement his place in the top three greatest presidents in history, and perhaps the greatest of all time.
2. Ronald Reagan -- Conservative stalwart. Dramatically cut taxes, single-handedly dismantled the Soviet bloc. Repaired the Carter fiasco and ushered in great prosperity. Helped change the culture
3. George W. Bush --The guy did it all. Won TWO wars, ran a booming economy for six years until the Democrat Congress screwed the whole thing up and caused the Great Recession. Worked hard and restored morality to the Oval Office.
4. George H.W. Bush -- Won the Gulf war. Decent moral man
5. Gerald Ford. -- Decent man
6. JFK -- Cut taxes and fought Communism, but was a sexually immoral man
7. Richard Nixon -- oversaw a prosperous economy, fought Communism. Weakness was establishing EPA which was overtaken by the Marxists.
8. LBJ-- So-called war on poverty has been a $20 trillion dollar failure. Made permanent dependents and harmed black families irreparably, piddled around on the winnable Vietnam War.
9. Jimmy Carter –-The very definition of incompetent. Disaster both domestically and abroad. Small, petty man. Highly jealous of Nixon, whose advice Clinton sought on foreigh policy matters, rather than Carter’s.
10. Bill Clinton. Immoral failure. AWOL during the run-up to the 9-11 attacks. Spent many nights screwing interns. Only the great GOP Congress saved the nation economically from his disastrous 1993 tax hikes
11. Barack 0bama – Despicable. The first president to actively and intentionally weaken America in accordance with the Marxist agenda.

1. Obama, saved our country from a depression, gave 30 million health insurance and by doing so saved 275 million a year and cut his deficit in half.
2. Clinton - increased enployment by 22 million. largest growth in empployment in the history of the nation and reduced deficit to almost zero.
3. Jimmy Carter, good man and kept the deficit below 100 billion.
4. George Bush Sr. Good man and did great job with first gulf war and knew when to end the conflict.
5. LBJ Good and bad. kept us in Vietnam, the bad, passed Civil rights legislation good. Knew when to quit for good of the nation.
6. Richard Nixon Good and bad. Good, Started good relations with China against desire of GOP. Bad, watergate.
7.JFK, really did nothing good or bad.
8.Reagan. Good and bad. Good brought nation togegther. Bad, tax cuts, after wards had to increase taxes 18 times including first taxes on Social secuirty payments and Iran-Contra.
9. George Bush Jr. Cut taxes on wealthy which started the huge increase in deficits. Started two wars and the Iraq war totally unwarranted.
10. Gerald Ford NOTHING HERE
11. Trump. Cut taxes for the wealthy and doubled the deficit. Divided the nation. First really cruel president.

 

[COTO]

You talk like Trump would never touch entitlements or the deficit. He has promised to do both, and so far he has kept all his promises. The guy is fearless. Why would he not go after these big problems in his second term? He doesn't care about politics. He cares about doing the right thing.

He also promised to go after the deficit in his first term. If memory serves, he talked about eliminating the entire US public debt (forget the deficit) in eight years.

The actual deficit went from $670 billion (FY2017) to $780 billion (FY2018) to $1.05 trillion (FY2019, projected), with the non-partisan CBO (whose predictions are typically over-optimistic) projecting $1+ trillion deficits all the way into FY2028, even with optimistic estimates of growth.

There's no logical basis to believe the numbers will suddenly start going the other way. I'm sorry. :shrug:

What Republicans especially should fear is a repeat of 2007: a roaring hot economy plunging into a deep recession as countless ducks came home to roost. Methinks you do not want to imagine the GOP's fortunes in 2024 if Pres. Trump wins in 2020, the economy freezes up again, and voters in 2024 are staring down $2+ trillion deficits. At that point it simply won't matter how nutty or dysfunctional the Democrats are.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Not without the hostages and a lot of other people needlessly killed. Be rational here and paint the story for me what he should have done that would have had a better outcome. How about all out war with Iran where the hostages are killed? Good plan? He did the right thing. If he lost the presidency and saved lives and it was the right choice, he's probably ok with that.

Too many people believe the myth that Reagan freed the Iranian hostages. They were released on the day Reagan was inaugurated. All the negotiations and procedures to free the hostages took place in the Carter administration. His desire to save the hostages' lives very well may have cost him the election. There was a time when statesmen put the needs of the nation and people ahead of their own political aspirations.

 

[Citizen]

• U.S. - GDP growth by year 1990-2018 | Statista

Ah, another rookie who has yet to learn people who challenge Mashmont on facts get embarrassed.

Uh, your facts have proven my point , not yours

 

[Quag]

Uh, your facts have proven my point , not yours

Actually that is his point he isn't really a trump supporter he is her to make fun of them

 

[Mashmont]

Actually that is his point he isn't really a trump supporter he is her to make fun of them

So now Quag says I'm not Christian, I'm an unbeliever like him; and I'm not a conservative, I'm a leftwinger like him. So what on earth is he whining about if he agrees with me on these two things? lol.

 

[Mashmont]

Uh, your facts have proven my point , not yours

Um. no. From the information in the chart, I calculated the average of 0bummer's eight years versus the average of Trump's three years. You can do this too. Do you know how to use a calculator?

Again, most people on here have already leaned you NEVER challenge Mashmont on facts unless you want egg on your face. This is the lesson you are learning right now, I guess.

 

[snakestretcher]

I could be persuaded to put JFK ahead of Ford.

Could you be persuaded to stop fantasising?

 

[Quag]

So now Quag says I'm not Christian, I'm an unbeliever like him; and I'm not a conservative, I'm a leftwinger like him. So what on earth is he whining about if he agrees with me on these two things? lol.

You are confusing what you are with what I am

 

[Mashmont]

Too many people believe the myth that Reagan freed the Iranian hostages. They were released on the day Reagan was inaugurated. All the negotiations and procedures to free the hostages took place in the Carter administration. His desire to save the hostages' lives very well may have cost him the election. There was a time when statesmen put the needs of the nation and people ahead of their own political aspirations.

it doesn't take a great deal of intelligence to understand Iran, knowing Reagan was the president-elect, negotiated with Reagan's team before the swearing-in. They knew to bypass the weak incompetent lame-duck Carter. He has zero to do with the hostages being released. It was all Reagan.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

it doesn't take a great deal of intelligence to understand Iran, knowing Reagan was the president-elect, negotiated with Reagan's team before the swearing-in. They knew to bypass the weak incompetent lame-duck Carter. He has zero to do with the hostages being released. It was all Reagan.

Mythology.

Remember, this is the Reagan who was president when hundreds of U.S. military died in Beirut from a truck bomb. His response? He simply had the survivors pack up their bags and bug out. No retaliation, no reprisals. Just a bunch of dead Marines and Reagan did nothing to avenge their sacrifice.

 

[Mashmont]

Mythology.

Remember, this is the Reagan who was president when hundreds of U.S. military died in Beirut from a truck bomb. His response? He simply had the survivors pack up their bags and bug out. No retaliation, no reprisals. Just a bunch of dead Marines and Reagan did nothing to avenge their sacrifice.

Are you moving the goalposts?

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Are you moving the goalposts?

No, I'm pointing out that you are one of those who buy into the false narrative that it was Reagan, the strong and forceful communicator, who was responsible for the freeing of the Iranian hostages. As if the Carter administration had nothing to do with it. The facts, as recounted by people who were in the room, tell a story of protracted negotiations by Carter which eventually bore the desired fruit. Reagan, when Americans died, proved to be every bit as weak as any president before him, perhaps more.

 

[Luckyone]

I have lived through every president on this list, and remember first-hand their administrations except for JFK’s. With Kennedy, I was only vaguely aware, even though I was a very small child. I have been blessed with a great memory. My older siblings and parents were very current-events conscious and I learned from that. So here is my list from first to worst (sorry, headline has it backwards)

1. Donald Trump -- I didn’t think anyone could surpass Reagan, but Trump has already done so. He’s proven unafraid to go where no man has dared: illegal immigration, trade fairness, energy independence, Israel, and overcoming racist and homophobic charges. When he goes after entitlements and the deficit in his second term, that will cement his place in the top three greatest presidents in history, and perhaps the greatest of all time.
2. Ronald Reagan -- Conservative stalwart. Dramatically cut taxes, single-handedly dismantled the Soviet bloc. Repaired the Carter fiasco and ushered in great prosperity. Helped change the culture
3. George W. Bush --The guy did it all. Won TWO wars, ran a booming economy for six years until the Democrat Congress screwed the whole thing up and caused the Great Recession. Worked hard and restored morality to the Oval Office.
4. George H.W. Bush -- Won the Gulf war. Decent moral man
5. Gerald Ford. -- Decent man
6. JFK -- Cut taxes and fought Communism, but was a sexually immoral man
7. Richard Nixon -- oversaw a prosperous economy, fought Communism. Weakness was establishing EPA which was overtaken by the Marxists.
8. LBJ-- So-called war on poverty has been a $20 trillion dollar failure. Made permanent dependents and harmed black families irreparably, piddled around on the winnable Vietnam War.
9. Jimmy Carter –-The very definition of incompetent. Disaster both domestically and abroad. Small, petty man. Highly jealous of Nixon, whose advice Clinton sought on foreigh policy matters, rather than Carter’s.
10. Bill Clinton. Immoral failure. AWOL during the run-up to the 9-11 attacks. Spent many nights screwing interns. Only the great GOP Congress saved the nation economically from his disastrous 1993 tax hikes
11. Barack 0bama – Despicable. The first president to actively and intentionally weaken America in accordance with the Marxist agenda.

It is not surprising that you rank Trump among the best. All Trump cult members think he is the best, even given God status.

Nonetheless, you are a biased person whose opinion cannot be depended on for veracity and unfortunately for you, historian scholars that are experts at rating presidents do not agree with your assessment:

Survey of scholars places Trump as third worst president of all time

In its sixth presidential ranking since 1982, 157 scholars surveyed by the institute ranked Trump the third worst president of all time after Andrew Johnson (who was impeached) and James Buchanan (whose presidency was followed by the Civil War).

The Siena survey, released Thursday, is conducted after each new president has had a full year in office. It asks presidential scholars, historians and political scientists to rank the presidents according to 20 different categories.

I do know that this means nothing to you because you are the expert and everyone else are chumps, right?

 

[Mashmont]

No, I'm pointing out that you are one of those who buy into the false narrative that it was Reagan, the strong and forceful communicator, who was responsible for the freeing of the Iranian hostages. As if the Carter administration had nothing to do with it. The facts, as recounted by people who were in the room, tell a story of protracted negotiations by Carter which eventually bore the desired fruit. Reagan, when Americans died, proved to be every bit as weak as any president before him, perhaps more.

Let me rate presidents the past 40 years on their foreign policy.

Reagan - Strong
Bush 41 - Strong
Clinton - *****
Bush 43 - Strong
0bama - *****
Trump - Strong

Seeing a pattern yet?

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Let me rate presidents the past 40 years on their foreign policy.

Reagan - Strong
Bush 41 - Strong
Clinton - *****
Bush 43 - Strong
0bama - *****
Trump - Strong

Seeing a pattern yet?

So you liked the hostages for weapons fiasco known as the Iran/Contra scandal? That was where the president's closest advisers decided they needed to keep the president in the dark regarding what they were doing, lest he be named a co-conspirator if it blew up in their faces, which it did. What was it Oliver North called it? Oh yeah ... plausible deniability. They decided it was better to portray the president as incompetent than knowledgeable of the ploy to defy the U.S. law.

Yep, that's some fine foreign policy you got there.

 

[Craig234]

No, I'm pointing out that you are one of those who buy into the false narrative that it was Reagan, the strong and forceful communicator, who was responsible for the freeing of the Iranian hostages. As if the Carter administration had nothing to do with it. The facts, as recounted by people who were in the room, tell a story of protracted negotiations by Carter which eventually bore the desired fruit. Reagan, when Americans died, proved to be every bit as weak as any president before him, perhaps more.

You're being too kind to Reagan. Did Carter make illegal arms for money deals with Iran to free hostages and fund an illegal war, and see ten of his top officials charged while the investigation was obstructed?

Did Carter send Marines to Lebanon to serve Israel, and when hundreds were blown up, say America was committed to remaining and then withdraw weeks later? I could go on.

 

[Craig234]

So you liked the hostages for weapons fiasco known as the Iran/Contra scandal? That was where the president's closest advisers decided they needed to keep the president in the dark regarding what they were doing, lest he be named a co-conspirator if it blew up in their faces, which it did. What was it Oliver North called it? Oh yeah ... plausible deniability. They decided it was better to portray the president as incompetent than knowledgeable of the ploy to defy the U.S. law.

Yep, that's some fine foreign policy you got there.

The most remarkable, in a bad way, presidential statement in a televised address I know of was Reagan saying his heart told him he hadn't traded arms for hostages, but the facts and evidence told him it was true. Republicans have no idea what strength is. They're at the level of moviegoers who believe in things like Rambo and are suckers for strongman acts. They're clueless about the value and challenges of peace.

 

[Citizen]

Um. no. From the information in the chart, I calculated the average of 0bummer's eight years versus the average of Trump's three years. You can do this too. Do you know how to use a calculator?

Again, most people on here have already leaned you NEVER challenge Mashmont on facts unless you want egg on your face. This is the lesson you are learning right now, I guess.

You cannot interpret facts to mean what you think. The facts show that Obama inherited the worst economy from GWB. The facts are that he turned that around. The facts are that trump inherited a growing economy from Obama and the economy has been growing at a rate of 2.5 % since 2010. That is what the chart shows

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

it doesn't take a great deal of intelligence to understand Iran, knowing Reagan was the president-elect, negotiated with Reagan's team before the swearing-in. They knew to bypass the weak incompetent lame-duck Carter. He has zero to do with the hostages being released. It was all Reagan.

It was clear to Iran that Carter would never give in to their demands.

 

[Quag]

Let me rate presidents the past 40 years on their foreign policy.

Reagan - Strong
Bush 41 - Strong
Clinton - *****
Bush 43 - Strong
0bama - *****
Trump - Strong

Seeing a pattern yet?

Yes you want the right to look like non thinking uneducated fools we see that pattern in all your posts

 

[Sandy Shanks]

So here is my list from first to worst (sorry, headline has it backwards)

1. Donald Trump -- I didn’t think anyone could surpass Reagan, but Trump has already done so. He’s proven unafraid to go where no man has dared: illegal immigration, trade fairness, energy independence, Israel, and overcoming racist and homophobic charges. When he goes after entitlements and the deficit in his second term, that will cement his place in the top three greatest presidents in history, and perhaps the greatest of all time.

This is a joke, right?

We all know Trump has done little or nothing for our booming economy except threaten it with his high tariffs and a dangerous trade war with China. Our economy survived and after treading water for 20 months, from January 2018 to September 2019, it is now setting records again because Trump is backing down on his trade war.

Contrast that with the previous administration. Obama wrote, “Eleven years ago today, near the bottom of the worst recession in generations, I signed the Recovery Act, paving the way for more than a decade of economic growth and the longest streak of job creation in American history."

The Trump White House first responded with attack dog mentality, their usual tactic. “President Trump reversed every single failed Obama-era economic policy, and with it, reversed the floundering Obama/Biden economy,” Trump campaign national press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said. “Obama and Biden orchestrated the worst economic recovery in modern history.”

The unsupported hyperbole speaks for itself. It is how Trump operates

She added: “By contrast, though, deregulating, lowering taxes, and supporting free-market policies, President Trump has created the hottest economy on record, with unemployment hitting generational lows and all-time lows for African Americans, Hispanics, the disabled, veterans and many other hard-working Americans.”

McEnany tried to say something useful, but she working with a handicap, Trump. Deregulation merely reduced paperwork and nullified many regulations designed to protect our environment, which is of low priority with Trump. Congress lowered taxes. Congress wrote the entire law. Trump just signed the bill. What does "supporting free-market policies" mean? It means nothing other than the fact that Trump is a free market capitalist.

The rest of the press secretary's comments dealt with the results of a booming economy, not what Trump did. That is a popular tactic used by the Trump campaign national headquarters, confusing actions with results.

It fools Trump's base every time.