Presidents Since JFK Rated From Worst to First--- Mashmont's List

[GDViking]

Trump is the most clueless private student I have ever known..The private school system failed him even in his seventies he can't think outside his own box.(sandbox used as kitty litter, but he does know where to get a BIg Mac).

No he doesn't,he knows who to fell, that knows who to tell who knows where to get a big Mac to get him one, or a dozen...

 

[Mashmont]

What is wrong with the above non logic?

You appear to have lionized many Democrat presidents who are guilty for worse than Trump.

Kennedy and Clinton had girls and affairs all throughout their White House years. Trump has not sullied the office in such a manner. So there is your difference. Given all the deep state leakers, and all the media hatred for Trump, had a whiff of anything gone on, it would be front page news.

 

[Pound4abrown]

I have lived through every president on this list, and remember first-hand their administrations except for JFK’s. With Kennedy, I was only vaguely aware, even though I was a very small child. I have been blessed with a great memory. My older siblings and parents were very current-events conscious and I learned from that. So here is my list from first to worst (sorry, headline has it backwards)

1. Donald Trump -- I didn’t think anyone could surpass Reagan, but Trump has already done so. He’s proven unafraid to go where no man has dared: illegal immigration, trade fairness, energy independence, Israel, and overcoming racist and homophobic charges. When he goes after entitlements and the deficit in his second term, that will cement his place in the top three greatest presidents in history, and perhaps the greatest of all time.
2. Ronald Reagan -- Conservative stalwart. Dramatically cut taxes, single-handedly dismantled the Soviet bloc. Repaired the Carter fiasco and ushered in great prosperity. Helped change the culture
3. George W. Bush --The guy did it all. Won TWO wars, ran a booming economy for six years until the Democrat Congress screwed the whole thing up and caused the Great Recession. Worked hard and restored morality to the Oval Office.
4. George H.W. Bush -- Won the Gulf war. Decent moral man
5. Gerald Ford. -- Decent man
6. JFK -- Cut taxes and fought Communism, but was a sexually immoral man
7. Richard Nixon -- oversaw a prosperous economy, fought Communism. Weakness was establishing EPA which was overtaken by the Marxists.
8. LBJ-- So-called war on poverty has been a $20 trillion dollar failure. Made permanent dependents and harmed black families irreparably, piddled around on the winnable Vietnam War.
9. Jimmy Carter –-The very definition of incompetent. Disaster both domestically and abroad. Small, petty man. Highly jealous of Nixon, whose advice Clinton sought on foreigh policy matters, rather than Carter’s.
10. Bill Clinton. Immoral failure. AWOL during the run-up to the 9-11 attacks. Spent many nights screwing interns. Only the great GOP Congress saved the nation economically from his disastrous 1993 tax hikes
11. Barack 0bama – Despicable. The first president to actively and intentionally weaken America in accordance with the Marxist agenda.

After reading this list, I am more convinced you don't know what words actually mean.

 

[GDViking]

Who cares what would persuade you? Anyone who condemns Kennedy as a "sexually immoral man" yet idolizes Donald Trump is pretty far out to lunch.

I have always been a very loyal man, However three days with Marilyn Monroe in the east wing after she flew directly from Timothy Leary's compound, would be something I couldn't turn down.

I would be honest, i would tell me lady I wish she would join us but I'm going!!!

Never been able to blame JFK for that...

 

[Robertinfremont]

Kennedy and Clinton had girls and affairs all throughout their White House years. Trump has not sullied the office in such a manner. So there is your difference. Given all the deep state leakers, and all the media hatred for Trump, had a whiff of anything gone on, it would be front page news.

Definitely true.

 

[GDViking]

Definitely true.

You really don't think trump has a long list of whores that visit him and keep I to themselves???

For ****s sake this is DC, people who don't stay quiet get disappeared...

 

[Moonglow]

It is not fair to evaluate Trump since he has not served one term as of yet.

 

[Robertinfremont]

I have always been a very loyal man, However three days with Marilyn Monroe in the east wing after she flew directly from Timothy Leary's compound, would be something I couldn't turn down.

I would be honest, i would tell me lady I wish she would join us but I'm going!!!

Never been able to blame JFK for that...

What about him having sex at the White house with the Mafia woman? I am not leaving out Marilyn Monroe of course.

John F. Kennedy, the 35th President of the United States, is said to have had various affairs throughout his ten-year marriage to Jackie Kennedy. Below, a look at his rumored mistresses.

JFK'S affairs were believed to be numerous throughout his ten-year marriage to Jackie Kennedy and he even stands accused of using his special assistant Dave Powers to line up willing women.

“If I don’t have sex every day, I get a headache,” John F. Kennedy used to tell most people who would listen, according to the NY Post.

Here’s a look at some of the most well-known women John F. Kennedy is rumored to have had affairs with:

Marilyn Monroe
Marilyn Monroe, pictured in 1958 (Getty Images)12Gallery
Marilyn Monroe, pictured in 1958 (Getty Images)

Hollywood actress Marilyn Monroe is probably the most talked-about of all of Kennedy’s possible affairs. She was named as one of Kennedy's mistresses by investigative reporter Seymour Hersh in his book “The Dark Side of Camelot.”

Having met at a dinner party held in his honor in New York at the beginning of 1962, Kennedy invited Monroe to a weekend in Bing Crosby's house in Palm Springs the following month, where they were not joined by his wife Jackie.

This weekend is said to have been the extent of the affair but that didn’t mean Monroe didn’t want it to continue, allegedly seeing herself becoming Jack’s second First lady and even calling Jackie Kennedy to tell her so.

According to “These Few Precious Days: The Final Year of Jack with Jackie,” the First Lady replied, “Marilyn, you’ll marry Jack, that’s great . . . and you’ll move into the White House and you’ll assume the responsibilities of the first lady, and I’ll move out and you’ll have all the problems.”

The mental health of Monroe had long been a cause of concern for the President until she mysteriously took an overdose in 1962, aged 36.

 

[Robertinfremont]

It is not fair to evaluate Trump since he has not served one term as of yet.

Fine, then stop attacking the man since he has a year or more left.

 

[Robertinfremont]

You really don't think trump has a long list of whores that visit him and keep I to themselves???

For ****s sake this is DC, people who don't stay quiet get disappeared...

Perhaps. What does "get disappeared" mean?

Is the going away by Omarosa what you mean?

 

[GDViking]

What about him having sex at the White house with the Mafia woman? I am not leaving out Marilyn Monroe of course.

John F. Kennedy, the 35th President of the United States, is said to have had various affairs throughout his ten-year marriage to Jackie Kennedy. Below, a look at his rumored mistresses.

JFK'S affairs were believed to be numerous throughout his ten-year marriage to Jackie Kennedy and he even stands accused of using his special assistant Dave Powers to line up willing women.

“If I don’t have sex every day, I get a headache,” John F. Kennedy used to tell most people who would listen, according to the NY Post.

Here’s a look at some of the most well-known women John F. Kennedy is rumored to have had affairs with:

Marilyn Monroe
Marilyn Monroe, pictured in 1958 (Getty Images)12Gallery
Marilyn Monroe, pictured in 1958 (Getty Images)

Hollywood actress Marilyn Monroe is probably the most talked-about of all of Kennedy’s possible affairs. She was named as one of Kennedy's mistresses by investigative reporter Seymour Hersh in his book “The Dark Side of Camelot.”

Having met at a dinner party held in his honor in New York at the beginning of 1962, Kennedy invited Monroe to a weekend in Bing Crosby's house in Palm Springs the following month, where they were not joined by his wife Jackie.

This weekend is said to have been the extent of the affair but that didn’t mean Monroe didn’t want it to continue, allegedly seeing herself becoming Jack’s second First lady and even calling Jackie Kennedy to tell her so.

According to “These Few Precious Days: The Final Year of Jack with Jackie,” the First Lady replied, “Marilyn, you’ll marry Jack, that’s great . . . and you’ll move into the White House and you’ll assume the responsibilities of the first lady, and I’ll move out and you’ll have all the problems.”

The mental health of Monroe had long been a cause of concern for the President until she mysteriously took an overdose in 1962, aged 36.

Personally I have never given a **** about a presidents sex life, as long as it does not effect policy.

I do find it disturbing that ever one of trumps wives have been none american east European models...

 

[Robertinfremont]

You took the brown acid at Woodstock didn't you???

Never been to that area. I have been to NY state several times.

Who did you say was your dealer?

 

[Robertinfremont]

Personally I have never given a **** about a presidents sex life, as long as it does not effect policy.

I do find it disturbing that ever one of trumps wives have been none american east European models...

What? No logic. First you do not care about their sex life at all unless it is Trump. Strange logic.

 

[GDViking]

Perhaps. What does "get disappeared" mean?

Is the going away by Omarosa what you mean?

Well some of us river rats (not me of course) have been known to take men that a used our daughters on a short boat ride on a long river...

 

[Pound4abrown]

Bush won the Iraq War. 0bama pissed it away.

That is an interesting re-telling of the story.
Just because he stood in front of a banner saying "mission accomplished" does not mean he won.
He should have listened to his father, who was a better POTUS and knew there was no exit strategy in Iraq.

 

[Robertinfremont]

For the same reason people like to blame Obama for a poor economy he had nothing to do with creating. To also add Trump tries to convince people he created the economy of today...

Not one more comment to the forum about President bush and my question.

So what tools did GW use to create a global recession?

Say, what do you know about the velocity of money?

Start with that.

 

[GDViking]

What? No logic. First you do not care about their sex life at all unless it is Trump. Strange logic.

I wouldn't give a **** about his either if it weren't for the fact all his wives could have been operatives.

And even it they are not, the hypocrisy is overwhelming...

 

[Port & Starboard]

JFK sucked, and his brother Teddy as well. I'm glad to see the Kennedy's influence pretty much out of politics.

LBJ was a racist prick.

Nixon was a paranoid and insecure man. Detente, China, and ending the draft were notable however.

Ford seemed decent enough.

Carter was a decent man IMO. Lacked resolve though.

Reagan could inspire people regardless of his warts.

George Bush (41) was a decent man.

Good riddance to the Billary & Hillary crime family.

George Bush (43) is the gift that keeps on giving. :roll: TWO more soldiers died in the last couple days.

Obama.....meh! Likeable, but no saint.

Trump? LMOA How the **** did this ever happen?

 

[bave]

Still, you attack it looks like to me, only Republicans.

Why? Because I think W made some catastrophically bad decisions? I think his father was an excellent POTUS, and I think Reagan was good as well. I just don't think any reasonable person can say that Obama/Clinton were worse than Nixon.

That war was to remove a terrible dictator. Is Saddam still killing humans including General officers on his own staff? What was the cost? Less than a day in the presidency of FDR.

First of all, we put that dictator in power, we kept him in power, he was our boy. Second, the world is *full* of terrible dictators around the world and many of them on our payroll. This wasn't about some humanitarian mission, so let's just stop that charade right now. The cost? Tens of thousands of killed and injured Americans, trillions in funds thrown away, for what? A more unstable and dangerous region than we started with.

Coompare the death toll for both FDR and GW Bush.

Death toll, in what way? In war? Bush the 1st executed a war perfectly in GW1. He stopped an aggressor, he built a coalition, he set a realistic and achievable goal for military action and executed it flawlessly. FDR's death toll, in what regard? WW2? I don't think you can blame him for that.

IF you can manage to get the Democrats to debate honestly, you can put in your name for being a hero.

I think this is true with both sides anymore, which is my primary point. Everyone is becoming an ideologue with partisan "facts".

Obama fought his useless war against Libya.

Sure, but it wasn't a quagmire at least.

Bush took out Saddam who was a major pain to the ME and Obama took out a man who was actually cooperating with us.

Hold on. Saddam bad, Qaddaffi good? Give me a break. They were both aholes. They were both strongmen murders. They both deserved to die by any morality metric, along with almost every other leader in the ME.

As you said about Obama, presidents often tell us how bad it was for them. But then the dichotomy is they often caused more damage. The world still suffers the war against Libya.

You can go round and round on this all day. Would Libya have happened without OIF? Would Syria? Would ISIS emerge? There are a lot of big questions there about causation. My point is that whatever Obama's failings were with ME policy it didn't involve starting a new war involving millions of US boys, trillions of new dollars etc.

 

[Pound4abrown]

Trump has no clue that snap is actually an agricultural program, almost cultists don't.

There is a reason it in the farm bill...

Considering the original idea behind what is now called SNAP was solely to fund farmers, and stimulate local economies. Yeah, it would be nice if those in Red states knew this.

 

[Robertinfremont]

I wouldn't give a **** about his either if it weren't for the fact all his wives could have been operatives.

And even it they are not, the hypocrisy is overwhelming...

They were checked out by the Federal Government. Say, has any of them so much as got a parking ticket?

 

[Robertinfremont]

Why? Because I think W made some catastrophically bad decisions? I think his father was an excellent POTUS, and I think Reagan was good as well. I just don't think any reasonable person can say that Obama/Clinton were worse than Nixon.



First of all, we put that dictator in power, we kept him in power, he was our boy. Second, the world is *full* of terrible dictators around the world and many of them on our payroll. This wasn't about some humanitarian mission, so let's just stop that charade right now. The cost? Tens of thousands of killed and injured Americans, trillions in funds thrown away, for what? A more unstable and dangerous region than we started with.



Death toll, in what way? In war? Bush the 1st executed a war perfectly in GW1. He stopped an aggressor, he built a coalition, he set a realistic and achievable goal for military action and executed it flawlessly. FDR's death toll, in what regard? WW2? I don't think you can blame him for that.



I think this is true with both sides anymore, which is my primary point. Everyone is becoming an ideologue with partisan "facts".



Sure, but it wasn't a quagmire at least.



Hold on. Saddam bad, Qaddaffi good? Give me a break. They were both aholes. They were both strongmen murders. They both deserved to die by any morality metric, along with almost every other leader in the ME.



You can go round and round on this all day. Would Libya have happened without OIF? Would Syria? Would ISIS emerge? There are a lot of big questions there about causation. My point is that whatever Obama's failings were with ME policy it didn't involve starting a new war involving millions of US boys, trillions of new dollars etc.

Did you approve Clinton's war against Yugoslavia over a lie?

 

[GDViking]

Not one more comment to the forum about President bush and my question.

So what tools did GW use to create a global recession?

Say, what do you know about the velocity of money?

Start with that.

Well Clinton's removing of the glass stegal act as a compromise with Republicans was the first domino, bush saw, or at least should have seen the recession coming.

Unfortunately the rich get richer in a recession,and that was Cheneys goal, he and halliburton made billions/trillions.

Obama could have done much more than he did which disappointed me.

We are in a bubble that is about to burst, and every president back to Reagan has some responsibility...

 

[bave]

Did you approve Clinton's war against Yugoslavia over a lie?

I assume you are referring to the airstrikes/missile strikes and deployed peacekeepers? Hardly on the same scale as a pair of ~20 year wars involving millions of men, trillions of dollars, tens of thousands of casualties.

 

[GDViking]

They were checked out by the Federal Government. Say, has any of them so much as got a parking ticket?

They also looked into the collusion with Russia, found a ton of evidence and even after making it all public there are still people who believed trump is a "duly elected president":lamo