President Trump Directed His Attorney To Lie To Congress About The Moscow Tower Project

[joko104]

A very significant FACT is that IF these unnamed sources of the Mueller private investigation - for which the answer to Congress always is "we can't discuss an ongoing investigation - are accurate, this proves it is a FACT that the Mueller team is 100% corrupt for leaking secret investigation info for publication - making them guilty of obstruction of justice and mostly proving the Mueller team is in FACT corrupt.

If they can not answer to Congress because the investigation is secret and confidential, there is no possible way it is anything but corrupt to leak it to the media as a gossip smear against the President.

 

[jnug]

A very significant FACT is that IF these unnamed sources of the Mueller private investigation - for which the answer to Congress always is "we can't discuss an ongoing investigation - are accurate, this proves it is a FACT that the Mueller team is 100% corrupt for leaking secret investigation info for publication - making them guilty of obstruction of justice and mostly proving the Mueller team is in FACT corrupt.

If they can not answer to Congress because the investigation is secret and confidential, there is no possible way it is anything but corrupt to leak it to the media as a gossip smear against the President.

They are not part of the Mueller prosecution team. They are agents that have been read into part of the case. Much like the prosecutor involved in a completely unrelated case that dropped the ball and put into a court filing that Assange was under sealed indictment, there are many reasons why federal investigators could be read into a case.

They could be investigators that were once attached to the Mueller team. I would buy that one. But if the degree of corroboration and documentation claimed exists, the identity of these two agents hardly matters. Remember, Trump penned the letter regarding the Trump Tower meeting. That is not even in dispute. That now makes much more sense as well.

 

[beefheart]

Suborning perjury. Bring on the ****ing excuses trumpanzees.

President Trump Directed His Attorney To Lie To Congress About The Moscow Tower Project
Trump received 10 personal updates from Michael Cohen and encouraged a planned meeting with Vladimir Putin.

President Donald Trump directed his longtime attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, according to two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter.​

Third time I've used this in 3 days.

 

[beefheart]

LOL!!

Let me guess. Those two unnamed sources are named Strzok and McCabe. Two proven liars, proven leakers and proven Trump haters.

What I find amazing is that we've been seeing a lot of leaks come out of Mueller's investigation...after almost two years of being very tight lipped about it. Could it be that Mueller wants to sway opinion as much as he can before he drops his wet firecracker on the AG's desk?

Deflection squad deployed!!!!

Keep defending the sleazebag, its what you do.

 

[Mycroft]

A) the two buzzfeed sources are federal investigators read into the case. That is not the Mueller team.

Mueller either authorized those two, if they even exist, to tell the public what Mueller is doing...or he should be very pissed off that they are revealing things about his investigation that he didn't authorize.

B) there are multiple corroborated sources and corroborating documentation according to those two buzzfeed sources

"according to those two...blah, blah, blah"

C) we have seen the beginnings of this particular material in multiple court filings. Hence, its not that shocking on its face. Its just damning FINALLY. Anybody with a brain knew this is where we were going. Anybody who has watched Donald for decades knew this was inevitable

You've seen statements from a known liar...a guy who has shown that he'll say anything to save his ass. Anyone who will extend any credibility to that guy doesn't have a brain.

D) we finally have a means to understand the Trump legal team's reluctance to either have Trump sit for a Mueller interview or answer even written questions regarding obstruction or suborning perjury

See ya' Donald! At the least 2020 is all done. That is if you make it that far.

Sorry, all you have is rumors and speculation...and a lot of chickens you keep counting over and over.

And watch....if you think we are not going to see more of these with more characters, you are living a fantasy.[/QUOTE]

 

[jnug]

Mueller either authorized those two, if they even exist, to tell the public what Mueller is doing...or he should be very pissed off.



"according to those two...blah, blah, blah"



You've seen statements from a known liar...a guy who has shown that he'll say anything to save his ass. Anyone who will extend any credibility to that guy doesn't have a brain.



Sorry, all you have is rumors and speculation...and a lot of chickens you keep counting over and over.

And watch....if you think we are not going to see more of these with more characters, you are living a fantasy.

[/QUOTE]

And I will give you the same advice I gave the other poster...you ride that horse as long as you like...right into the ground for all I care.

As for Mueller being torqued off, he has lots to be torqued off about. The idiot attorneys that simply used a digital colored line in their version of a court filing as opposed to actually redacting the text. The prosecutor that exposed the fact that Assange is under sealed indictment. The idiot Flynn attorneys trying to pull a fast one at the last minute and Manafort trying to play both ends against the middle. But you will never hear about Mueller's perspective on any of that outside of a court filing BECAUSE MUELLER DOES NOT LEAK!

 

[Lycanthrope]

The base is abjectly stupid, and most GOP senators are hopelessly corrupt.

This is why Donald has lasted as long as he has. It will eventually destroy the GOP - these senators are killing the golden goose by refusing to abandon the SS Trump.

 

[Apocalypto]

Tomorrow is going to be insane.

 

[roughdraft274]

I havent read the thread yet but im willing to bet that not a single trump supporter has said anything even close to "if this is proven to be true then he needs to be impeached".

This president is a monster.

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[Winston]

I havent read the thread yet but im willing to bet that not a single trump supporter has said anything even close to "if this is proven to be true then he needs to be impeached".

This president is a monster.

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Lol, nope..
They've done the usual: Word salad with some I don't believe it dressing. gonna be a rough year for them.

 

[NeverTrump]

I havent read the thread yet but im willing to bet that not a single trump supporter has said anything even close to "if this is proven to be true then he needs to be impeached".

This president is a monster.

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Nope they are once again attacking Buzzfeed's credibility, which has won every lawsuit thrown at them (from billionaires might I add).

 

[NeverTrump]

Mueller either authorized those two, if they even exist, to tell the public what Mueller is doing...or he should be very pissed off that they are revealing things about his investigation that he didn't authorize.



"according to those two...blah, blah, blah"



You've seen statements from a known liar...a guy who has shown that he'll say anything to save his ass. Anyone who will extend any credibility to that guy doesn't have a brain.



Sorry, all you have is rumors and speculation...and a lot of chickens you keep counting over and over.

And watch....if you think we are not going to see more of these with more characters, you are living a fantasy.

If you doubt Buzzfeed's credibility. Try suing them for libel, oh wait they kicked those lawsuits' ass.

 

[NeverTrump]

A very significant FACT is that IF these unnamed sources of the Mueller private investigation - for which the answer to Congress always is "we can't discuss an ongoing investigation - are accurate, this proves it is a FACT that the Mueller team is 100% corrupt for leaking secret investigation info for publication - making them guilty of obstruction of justice and mostly proving the Mueller team is in FACT corrupt.

If they can not answer to Congress because the investigation is secret and confidential, there is no possible way it is anything but corrupt to leak it to the media as a gossip smear against the President.

If you doubt Buzzfeed's credibility. Try suing them for libel, oh wait they kicked those lawsuits' ass and I doubt you have more resources than Russian Billionaires.

 

[NeverTrump]

Well...

The allegations are from "unnamed sources" who are reporting what Cohen is alleged to have admitted to the Mueller investigators.

This appears to be hearsay. Moreover, it is based on alleged admissions of a convicted felon, Cohen having been convicted of crimes unrelated to the Trump campaign...oh yes, except for pleading guilty to so-called campaign finance violations.

He has also pled guilty to lying under oath.

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2018/11/29/michael-cohen-pleads-guilty-to-lying-to-congress/

Now, any defense attorney would have a field day, Cohen being such a tainted witness. So unless there is solid corroboration of these second hand allegations?

I prefer to wait to see what "facts" Mueller actually announces. :coffeepap:

Just like the Dossier? Ask Aleksej Gubarev how that lawsuit went...

 

[poweRob]

I havent read the thread yet but im willing to bet that not a single trump supporter has said anything even close to "if this is proven to be true then he needs to be impeached".

This president is a monster.

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You were right. You win!

 

[roughdraft274]

Well...

The allegations are from "unnamed sources" who are reporting what Cohen is alleged to have admitted to the Mueller investigators.

This appears to be hearsay. Moreover, it is based on alleged admissions of a convicted felon, Cohen having been convicted of crimes unrelated to the Trump campaign...oh yes, except for pleading guilty to so-called campaign finance violations.

He has also pled guilty to lying under oath.

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2018/11/29/michael-cohen-pleads-guilty-to-lying-to-congress/

Now, any defense attorney would have a field day, Cohen being such a tainted witness. So unless there is solid corroboration of these second hand allegations?

I prefer to wait to see what "facts" Mueller actually announces. :coffeepap:

You have a valid argument that we must wait for the actual facts to be laid out rather than just reporting on the facts based on anonymous sources.

With that said, I don't know why you can't honestly address what was actually said. You are diverting from the actual claim. You immediately start pointing at Cohen and how he has lied before. You completely ignore the claim that there is corroborating evidence and other witness testimony. Again, we must consider that this is just reporting, but it's still dishonest to pretend that if this story is true that it hinges upon Cohens word and nothing but Cohen's word. Along with that you can't even say if you would even be the tiniest bit upset if the president actually instructed his lawyer to lie to congress. It's amazing to me.

 

[beefheart]

I havent read the thread yet but im willing to bet that not a single trump supporter has said anything even close to "if this is proven to be true then he needs to be impeached".

This president is a monster.

The thing is, we don't know 100% if this is true....but no one is shocked by the story, because it is exactly the kind of thing that Individual 1 would do.

 

[Common Sense 1]

Suborning perjury. Bring on the ****ing excuses trumpanzees.

President Trump Directed His Attorney To Lie To Congress About The Moscow Tower Project
Trump received 10 personal updates from Michael Cohen and encouraged a planned meeting with Vladimir Putin.

President Donald Trump directed his longtime attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, according to two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter.​

Where is any reporting from NYT or Washington Post on this subject?

Does the New York Times Believe BuzzFeed ’s Scoop?
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/does-the-new-york-times-believe-buzzfeed-s-scoop/


Buzzfeed’s “if true” bombshell report that Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress

Report based on unnamed law enforcement sources being used to justify impeachment investigation in the House.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/01/buzzfeeds-if-true-bombshell-report-that-trump-directed-michael-cohen-to-lie-to-congress/

We have been here sooooooo many times before.

A media outlet publishes an article based on anonymous sources providing information that is so vague it cannot be proven or disproven, but which purports to (1) implicate Trump in a crime, (2) show collusion with the Russians, and/or (3) raise enough suspicions to justify a 3-5 day news cycle.

So many of these reports are dropped before a weekend, guaranteeing they will dominate the news cycle for days.

And in each and every instance the report is blown out of the water or substantially rewritten, other news outlets could not verify, or other news outlets themselves call the report into doubt. Even when there is a kernel of fact underlying the report, the spin is usually the key to why people click on it. This is all fed by the news media “Scoop” culture.

The typical reaction from people who are not part of #TheResistance, whether Trump supporters or not, is the preface “if true.”

I’ve seen a number of people say they follow a 24-hour rule on these bombshell reports. I think that’s too kind. It’s better to wait 48-72 hours, at a minimum, since so many of these bombshells take days, not hours, to reveal themselves to be duds.

 

[Threegoofs]

Where is any reporting from NYT or Washington Post on this subject?

Does the New York Times Believe BuzzFeed ’s Scoop?
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/does-the-new-york-times-believe-buzzfeed-s-scoop/


Buzzfeed’s “if true” bombshell report that Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress

Report based on unnamed law enforcement sources being used to justify impeachment investigation in the House.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/01/buzzfeeds-if-true-bombshell-report-that-trump-directed-michael-cohen-to-lie-to-congress/

We have been here sooooooo many times before.

A media outlet publishes an article based on anonymous sources providing information that is so vague it cannot be proven or disproven, but which purports to (1) implicate Trump in a crime, (2) show collusion with the Russians, and/or (3) raise enough suspicions to justify a 3-5 day news cycle.

So many of these reports are dropped before a weekend, guaranteeing they will dominate the news cycle for days.

And in each and every instance the report is blown out of the water or substantially rewritten, other news outlets could not verify, or other news outlets themselves call the report into doubt. Even when there is a kernel of fact underlying the report, the spin is usually the key to why people click on it. This is all fed by the news media “Scoop” culture.

The typical reaction from people who are not part of #TheResistance, whether Trump supporters or not, is the preface “if true.”

I’ve seen a number of people say they follow a 24-hour rule on these bombshell reports. I think that’s too kind. It’s better to wait 48-72 hours, at a minimum, since so many of these bombshells take days, not hours, to reveal themselves to be duds.

LOL.

Michael Cohen directly tweeted about it himself and implicated the President after the Buzzfeed story was published. That’s two people making the accusation.

But I can see why you want a 24 hour rule. It lets you know what the Hannity talking points are.

 

[Captain Adverse]

You have a valid argument that we must wait for the actual facts to be laid out rather than just reporting on the facts based on anonymous sources.

With that said, I don't know why you can't honestly address what was actually said. You are diverting from the actual claim. You immediately start pointing at Cohen and how he has lied before. You completely ignore the claim that there is corroborating evidence and other witness testimony. Again, we must consider that this is just reporting, but it's still dishonest to pretend that if this story is true that it hinges upon Cohens word and nothing but Cohen's word. Along with that you can't even say if you would even be the tiniest bit upset if the president actually instructed his lawyer to lie to congress. It's amazing to me.

I don't address the "actual claim" because I explained it is from a suspect "source" presented second- or third-hand, therefore not valid except as a sensationalized story.

I added the FACTS we do know about the alleged source, who has already stated the exact opposite when he was not under pressure to "sing like a canary" to maybe shave time off his prison sentence. :roll:

Finally, I point out that I prefer to WAIT until the actual investigation report, rather than discuss all this speculation on what might or might not have been said.

 

[Grokmaster]

Suborning perjury. Bring on the ****ing excuses trumpanzees.

President Trump Directed His Attorney To Lie To Congress About The Moscow Tower Project
Trump received 10 personal updates from Michael Cohen and encouraged a planned meeting with Vladimir Putin.

President Donald Trump directed his longtime attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, according to two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter.​

Says who? Oh yeah...SAYS COHEN, CONVICTED LIAR.....


When will you be calling for Hillary's prosecution for LYING TO CONGRESS?

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

I don't address the "actual claim" because I explained it is from a suspect "source" presented second- or third-hand, therefore not valid except as a sensationalized story.

I added the FACTS we do know about the alleged source, who has already stated the exact opposite when he was not under pressure to "sing like a canary" to maybe shave time off his prison sentence. :roll:

Finally, I point out that I prefer to WAIT until the actual investigation report, rather than discuss all this speculation on what might or might not have been said.

Is Trump a liar?

 

[Grokmaster]

LOL.

Michael Cohen directly tweeted about it himself and implicated the President after the Buzzfeed story was published. That’s two people making the accusation.

But I can see why you want a 24 hour rule. It lets you know what the Hannity talking points are.

Cohen was in charge of the ENTIRE MOSCOW TOWER real estate deal.


HE LIED to COVER HIMSELF...again.

 

[Rogue Valley]

I don't address the "actual claim" because I explained it is from a suspect "source" presented second- or third-hand, therefore not valid except as a sensationalized story.

The "source" is two government investigators intimate with this aspect of the collusion case.

They have every Cohen/Trump written and recorded communication from when Cohen's office/home were raided. They also have every Cohen/Sater text message.

Not looking good for your boy Trumpov.

 

[Incredulous]

Says who? Oh yeah...SAYS COHEN, CONVICTED LIAR.....


When will you be calling for Hillary's prosecution for LYING TO CONGRESS?

I've noticed you seem to be infatuated with Hilary. :mrgreen: Love and hate are two horns on the same goat.

Our POTUS is also a liar and that's why you can't trust either one of them. However, I am confident the POTUS has engaged in enough illicit, illegal and immoral behavior that something, somewhere is going to stick.