Pope Tells Gay Man: ‘God Made You Like This and Loves You Like This’

[Logicman]

Leviticus, really? Are you sure you want to go there?

Jesus, on the other hand, didn't have a lot to say about homosexuality.

Did you even bother to read what was posted? If you did you missed this:

"And for those who would argue that Jesus never spoke out about gay sex, there's the following:

Jesus is God (in scripture). As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Leviticus law against gay sexual relations to begin with; and he’s the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc. It’s also worth noting that Jesus didn’t mention wife beating or other sins such as pedophilia either, and there are not many folks who would argue he approved of those behaviors. So Jesus was under no obligation to reiterate the moral laws against homosexual sin that already existed, unless there were clarifications to be made."

 

[Logicman]

Doesn't the Pope get to change doctrine?

No, he doesn't. And he doesn't speak for Christianity, only his screwed up version of Catholicism.

And for the record, here's what the Catholic Catechism says about homosexual sin:

"2357 - Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved."

Catechism of the Catholic Church - The sixth commandment

 

[Daisy]

There is a difference between warning you neighbor and trying to force them by law to behave as your religion supposedly states.

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True and I don't do that...I don't even vote because of that...

 

[Tigerace117]

So you chose to dig your hole of being wrong even further. Figures.

So you choose to double down on your bigotry and hatred. Figures.

Christ had very harsh words for people like you.

 

[Tigerace117]

What is despicable is knowing what the truth of Bible is and yet not warning your neighbor, for in doing so, you may save both yourself and those who listen to you...1 Timothy 4:16

No, what's really despicable is promoting hatred of your neighbor over something which was not a choice--- and furthermore, acting in the arrogant belief that you know better than God.

 

[HowardBThiname]

While G_d would indeed love his creation, it was incumbent upon his creation to overcome the burden G_d gave them and not become an abomination.

A god that hands out "burdens" is an abomination.

 

[Excon]

So you choose to double down on your bigotry and hatred. Figures.

Christ had very harsh words for people like you.

So you again chose to double down on being wrong as usual. Figures.

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A god that hands out "burdens" is an abomination.

Is that what you think? That's nice.

I certainly wouldn't tell you what you should or shouldn't believe, but if G_d exists, and the Bible is his word, I wish you luck with your judgement of your creator. :lamo

 

[maquiscat]

True and I don't do that...I don't even vote because of that...

Not claiming that you do, but there is an awful lot who do.

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[vegas giants]

Why don't you first research that so you will know what it's about?

I hope you are not eating shellfish. That is an abomination!

 

[HowardBThiname]

Is that what you think? That's nice.

I certainly wouldn't tell you what you should or shouldn't believe, but if G_d exists, and the Bible is his word, I wish you luck with your judgement of your creator. :lamo

Your choice what to believe, but judgemental thoughts such as that were what drove me away from religion to begin with. I can't imagine a god that would put "burdens" in front of some but not others and then judge accordingly. If there were a god like that -- I'd rather burn in Hell than worship Him/Her.

But, that's just me.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

So you choose to double down on your bigotry and hatred. Figures.

Christ had very harsh words for people like you.

What's always baffled me is why some people around here have this screaming pathological need to have others believe they're actually Christians, when by their posts, they're clearly, laughably not.

 

[Logicman]

I hope you are not eating shellfish. That is an abomination!

Jesus, who is God, disagrees with you:

"For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)" - Mark 7:19

 

[vegas giants]

Jesus, who is God, disagrees with you:

"For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)" - Mark 7:19

Then god talks out of both sides of his mouth


Leviticus 11:9-12 King James Version (KJV)

9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.

10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.

12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

 

[Tigerace117]

So you again chose to double down on being wrong as usual. Figures.

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Is that what you think? That's nice.

I certainly wouldn't tell you what you should or shouldn't believe, but if G_d exists, and the Bible is his word, I wish you luck with your judgement of your creator. :lamo

So in other words you don't have an argument, just desperate justifications for your vicious hatred.

 

[Tigerace117]

What's always baffled me is why some people around here have this screaming pathological need to have others believe they're actually Christians, when by their posts, they're clearly, laughably not.

Some people are simply way too obsessed with Old Testament fire and brimstone to grasp the message of the New Testament.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Playing devil's advocate a bit here, how is that much different from what He supposedly asks of priests? Maybe His intention was for these people to be clergy.

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The Catholic Church likes celibate priests because its easier to move them around between parishes.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

:lamo

Do you have a problem with the way I write G_d?
As for the rest. No you did not get it straight. The abomination part comes into play when the person acts on the desires they were given to overcome.
I do not know the reasons G_d does what he does, but any discussion of such is best suited for another area of the forum.

That's exactly what I said. God supposedly gives someone a same sex attraction and they are only sexually and emotionally attracted to someone of the same sex, but he says "I gave you this, but I don't want you to act on it ever. I want you to either live a celibate life or live in a sham marriage with a women you will never be sexually attracted to. I did this simply because I like to **** with people, and I enjoy some of my creation getting to live miserable self loathing lives. Even though I did this to you, if you act or don't love me, I will cast you into hell where you will endure an eternity of the worst torment imaginable."

 

[Lursa]

Are you concerned that God will strike you down should you spell out the word god?

So basically, let's get this straight. God creates someone, and since they are gay, he obviously created them gay. However, he considers homosexuality an abomination, and thus while he created someone that was only attracted emotionally and physically to their own sex, he wants them spend a lifetime repressing that attraction, and thus forgoing the happiness of finding someone that love and are attracted to, so they will not be an abomination before him. Thus their cross to bear as it were.

This sort of god you have created for yourself is pretty sadistic. I guess that is what happens when one gets their morality from 2500 year old, largely illiterate, very tribal, bronze age desert tribes.

He feels he's in a better position to judge the man than God is.

Which is a clear sin. A true abomination, usurping God's prerogative. Such hypocrisy.

As if God would want one of His Children to go through life without love and a family. The ability to offer children a family. To suffer loneliness and unfulfillment in our most highest needs and contributions in life. Yeah, that's not the loving God Christians know.

 

[Lursa]

With that rule of thumb, God loves pedophiles and serial killers, too...:roll:

It's reprehensible to compare gay people to people that deliberately do harm to others.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

He feels he's in a better position to judge the man than God is.

Which is a clear sin. A true abomination, usurping God's prerogative. Such hypocrisy.

As if God would want one of His Children to go through life without love and a family. The ability to offer children a family. To suffer loneliness and unfulfillment in our most highest needs and contributions in life. Yeah, that's not the loving God Christians know.

Well in fairness if you read the Bible from cover to cover, God, particularly the God of the Old Testament, is at times utterly despicable by modern moral standards. At times he condones and commands slavery, child rape, genocide and just about every evil act imaginable. Which makes sense, as he is a creation of violent and tribal bronze age group of desert wanderers that would make today's Taliban look liberal and tolerant.

To quote Richard Dawkins:

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

Point being that every Christian is a cafeteria Christian that constructs a personal God of their own liking. Many construct a kind and loving God, but some others construct a God that is as hateful and bigoted as they personally are.

 

[Daisy]

It's reprehensible to compare gay people to people that deliberately do harm to others.

I am not comparing except to use the Op's rule...God made everyone the way they are and He loves them...if that is true, then He also made the pedophile and the serial murderer...

 

[Daisy]

The Catholic Church likes celibate priests because its easier to move them around between parishes.

It is also easier for them to hide their fetishes for young boys and men...

 

[Excon]

Your choice what to believe, but judgemental thoughts such as that were what drove me away from religion to begin with. I can't imagine a god that would put "burdens" in front of some but not others and then judge accordingly. If there were a god like that -- I'd rather burn in Hell than worship Him/Her.

But, that's just me.

Suit yourself.

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So in other words you don't have an argument, just desperate justifications for your vicious hatred.

Why do you continue to make untrue assertions? That is you being being wrong and you not having an actual argument.

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What's always baffled me is why some people around here have this screaming pathological need to have others believe they're actually Christians, when by their posts, they're clearly, laughably not.

As you are responding to his reply to me.
You too have it wrong.

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That's exactly what I said.

Surrrrrrre you did. /sarc

God supposedly gives someone a same sex attraction and they are only sexually and emotionally attracted to someone of the same sex, but he says "I gave you this, but I don't want you to act on it ever. I want you to either live a celibate life or live in a sham marriage with a women you will never be sexually attracted to. I did this simply because I like to **** with people, and I enjoy some of my creation getting to live miserable self loathing lives. Even though I did this to you, if you act or don't love me, I will cast you into hell where you will endure an eternity of the worst torment imaginable."

And?
Humans judge with the brain of a mere human, not with that of a G_d whose reasoning they probably wouldn't even be able to fathom. :shrug:

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Suit yourself.

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Why do you continue to make untrue assertions? That is you being being wrong and you not having an actual argument.

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As you are responding to his reply to me.
You too have it wrong.

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Surrrrrrre you did. /sarc


And?
Humans judge with the brain of a mere human, not with that of a G_d whose reasoning they probably wouldn't even be able to fathom. :shrug:

Why do you pretend to be a Christian?

What's the point?

 

[Lursa]

I am not comparing except to use the Op's rule...God made everyone the way they are and He loves them...if that is true, then He also made the pedophile and the serial murderer...

No...God gave us free will. That's about behavior.

He does not expect us to act in ways that deliberately harm others, no matter how he made us. He does not expect a man born with no legs to steal for a living.

Gays living their lives harms no one.