POLL: Majority of Trump voters would support him even if he colluded with Russia

[Anthony60]

Did I not call that? Didn't take long as I thought for you to jump in with a laughable straw man argument, irrelevant to the OP, Hillary and Obama in one troll!

If what you contend is so, and I'm certain is with a measurable number of folk, I suspect a MUCH smaller number than on "the right", it's still irrelevant to my post, but still disturbing, so anyway, got anything worthwhile to say now?

Oh, please. Obama, "we are the ones that we've been waiting for", messiah. It probably would have been 75%.

 

[tres borrachos]

You must be joking with that response. Nah, you guys didn't look the other way on any of Obama's scandals. The IRS, Fast and Furious, Obamacare lies, etc... LOL!

I'm asking you this nicely and politely, and I'm dead serious here.

Can you please, please discuss the thread topic, and not Obama, the IRS, Fast and Furious, the ACA, etc? I'm asking you that for two reasons. One of them is that Obama is no longer the President. The second one is none of what you just mentioned has anything to do with the current President (Trump), this thread, Trump supporters, Russia, or anything else.

If not, would you mind starting a thread in the General Politics or another section so we can discuss the polls that show how if Obama supporters would support him even if he colluded with the Russians (which is what this poll was about)?

 

[tres borrachos]

This has been crystal clear to anyone with any awareness and an ability to read the news objectively from the start, and this is an OLD story, so hopefully is OK, IDK, but it's certainly relevant, and scares the hell out of me, and I dare say, maybe most rational observers. How can anyone be OK with a crime, on the part of the chief exec?



I find it DEEPLY disturbing, far more disturbing, than the crimes themselves, that a good quarter of America, the quarter that pretends at being suppoortive of law an order is willing to throw out their ethics for love of a demogogue.:roll:

I can't say I'm at all surprised. I've been making the comment for a while, and even more the last few weeks, that Trump and his supporters are really starting to remind me of what happened in the late 1970s with Jim Jones and his followers. Jones preyed on who he perceived to be weak. He convinced his followers that the government was evil and was doing evil things to them. He convinced them that there was a Deep State, and if he (Jones) didn't protect his followers from the US government, that the evil corrupt government was going to hurt them. He told them Congressman Leo Ryan was part of the evil government, which is why Ryan was killed. He told his followers that they needed to kill themselves, their children, even their babies, because of the FBI and the President and Congress. And almost 1000 adults did as they were told.

Tell me how different the words of Trump are to the words of Jones. The answer is "not very, if at all".

 

[poweRob]

This has been crystal clear to anyone with any awareness and an ability to read the news objectively from the start, and this is an OLD story, so hopefully is OK, IDK, but it's certainly relevant, and scares the hell out of me, and I dare say, maybe most rational observers. How can anyone be OK with a crime, on the part of the chief exec?



I find it DEEPLY disturbing, far more disturbing, than the crimes themselves, that a good quarter of America, the quarter that pretends at being suppoortive of law an order is willing to throw out their ethics for love of a demogogue.:roll:

Well file this in the "No **** Sherlock" folder. When I started seeing the trump sycophantic defense comment of, "We knew we weren't voting for an angel. We were voting for a president" I knew all the brain-dead trump disciples would pretty much hand-wave away any and all misdeeds no matter how bad. While simultaneously and hypocritically holding a bar of standards up for their political opponents to climb over of course.

 

[poweRob]

This is disturbing but in a way, not surprising. I remember when Obama was in office, Fox and right wingers often praised Putin. They talked like Putin was a strong leader and Obama was weak.

The alt right probably likes Putin.

Well of course they do. Putin is an autocratic authoritarian. Today's right-wingers luuurrrv them.

 

[ataraxia]

I keep hearing people say the economy could go back into recession because of Italy and all the unrest. I can already hear Trump supporters say that recessions occur naturally and Trump has nothing to do with it.

Trump supporters are probably lost. We just need to hope a majority can actually coalesce and do the right thing.

Trump has truly managed to become a demigod and cult leader for these guys. They literally worship the guy. Remarkable.

I remember they were literally losing their lunch with outrage when Obama said "if you like you doctor, you can keep you doctor", and then it turned out a few people couldn't. They were calling him a liar. They were calling him a deceiver.

Now we have a p**ssy grabbing, Trump University scam artist, and someone who has blatantly lied approximately 6 times a day since elected (and not just any negligent lie or half truth, but vicious, malicious, hurtful lies), and they worship him.

I am sure this level of mass psychopathology on the part of the masses is a gold mine for psychologists and sociologists to study for decades to come.

 

[Hedgology]

His campaign colluded AF with the Russians. The question has been and continues to be, "What did Trump know and when did he know it?"

It's wrong to use definitive statements without evidence.

 

[Hedgology]

Trump has truly managed to become a demigod and cult leader for these guys. They literally worship the guy. Remarkable.

I remember they were literally losing their lunch with outrage when Obama said "if you like you doctor, you can keep you doctor", and then it turned out a few people couldn't. They were calling him a liar. They were calling him a deceiver.

Now we have a p**ssy grabbing, Trump University scam artist, and someone who has blatantly lied approximately 6 times a day since elected (and not just any negligent lie or half truth, but vicious, malicious, hurtful lies), and they worship him.

I am sure this level of mass psychopathology on the part of the masses is a gold mine for psychologists and sociologists to study for decades to come.

The liar Democrats love isn't in charge and they can't stand it. The liar Republicans love is in charge and they love it.

Next time, just lie better.

 

[Anthony60]

I'm asking you this nicely and politely, and I'm dead serious here.

Can you please, please discuss the thread topic, and not Obama, the IRS, Fast and Furious, the ACA, etc? I'm asking you that for two reasons. One of them is that Obama is no longer the President. The second one is none of what you just mentioned has anything to do with the current President (Trump), this thread, Trump supporters, Russia, or anything else.

If not, would you mind starting a thread in the General Politics or another section so we can discuss the polls that show how if Obama supporters would support him even if he colluded with the Russians (which is what this poll was about)?

And do you think people will stop calling Trump out on things and fein outrage, when they closed their eyes to the misdeeds of the previous administration? The topic starts the thread, but there are many branches that connect to it, especially when they open that door right off the bat.

 

[tres borrachos]

And do you think people will stop calling Trump out on things and fein outrage, when they closed their eyes to the misdeeds of the previous administration? The topic starts the thread, but there are many branches that connect to it, especially when they open that door right off the bat.

This thread is about Trump supporters. You need to argue against the people who are calling out Trump when you see and you don't like it. Obama has nothing to do with Trump or Trump supporters.

I asked you nicely, and I would appreciate it if you would show me and others some courtesy. This isn't an Obama thread. It's about a poll about Trump supporters.

If you disagree with the poll results, or would have answered the question a different way, then just say it.

 

[ataraxia]

The liar Democrats love isn't in charge and they can't stand it. The liar Republicans love is in charge and they love it.

Next time, just lie better.

It's ridiculous to think there is some kind of equivalence. A benign lie (not even lie, maybe something that just didn't prove to be 100% accurate after the fact) "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor", vs. 6 straight years of deliberately and intentionally hurtful, easily disproved, malicious, malignant lying like birtherism, Trump U, crowd sizes at events, seeing Muslims cheering on NJ rooftops on 9/11, immigrants all being rapists and murderers and some kind of breeding animals, etc, etc...

There is absolutely no comparison. There is no equivalence. This is an entirely different league. It's an entirely different game. It's like comparing a gust of wind to a freaking hurricane.

 

[j-mac]

This has been crystal clear to anyone with any awareness and an ability to read the news objectively from the start, and this is an OLD story, so hopefully is OK, IDK, but it's certainly relevant, and scares the hell out of me, and I dare say, maybe most rational observers. How can anyone be OK with a crime, on the part of the chief exec?



I find it DEEPLY disturbing, far more disturbing, than the crimes themselves, that a good quarter of America, the quarter that pretends at being suppoortive of law an order is willing to throw out their ethics for love of a demogogue.:roll:

Pure Alensky.

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[Saladin4]

Most of these trump lovers despise the rest of America...Of course they'd support this asshole whether he (and he did) colluded with Russia.....and they probably hope he does it again

 

[Hedgology]

It's ridiculous to think there is some kind of equivalence. A benign lie (not even lie, maybe something that just didn't prove to be 100% accurate after the fact) "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor", vs. 6 straight years of deliberately and intentionally hurtful, easily disproved, malicious, malignant lying like birtherism, Trump U, crowd sizes at events, seeing Muslims cheering on NJ rooftops on 9/11, immigrants all being rapists and murderers and some kind of breeding animals, etc, etc...

There is absolutely no comparison. There is no equivalence. This is an entirely different league. It's an entirely different game. It's like comparing a gust of wind to a freaking hurricane.

I'm not sure what you are trying to argue here.

That your side is better, so you should be able to lie?

 

[Perotista]

This has been crystal clear to anyone with any awareness and an ability to read the news objectively from the start, and this is an OLD story, so hopefully is OK, IDK, but it's certainly relevant, and scares the hell out of me, and I dare say, maybe most rational observers. How can anyone be OK with a crime, on the part of the chief exec?



I find it DEEPLY disturbing, far more disturbing, than the crimes themselves, that a good quarter of America, the quarter that pretends at being suppoortive of law an order is willing to throw out their ethics for love of a demogogue.:roll:

Why does that surprise you? Most folks who support a political candidate will side with that candidate through thick and thin. Even on the day Nixon resigned 24% of all Americans approved of him and wanted him to continue as president. This included 50% of all Republicans, 13% of Democrats and 22% of independents. Once someone latches onto a candidate, president in this case as was Nixon, they tend to continue their support of them no matter what. The fact that only 50% of Republicans still sided with Nixon probably had more to do with the upcoming 1974 midterms that whether they thought he should stay or leave. Nixon resigned in August of 1974. I would imagine around the same percentage 77% as with Trump probably still supported him in their hearts.

Many Nixon backers even after he resigned thought he was railroaded out of office, that the Democrats performed a silent coup to overthrow a legitimate sitting president and over turn an election. So this is nothing new. When it comes to partisan politics, you don't expect the partisanship to vanish or dissolve. It always someone or something else's fault.

 

[Anthony60]

This thread is about Trump supporters. You need to argue against the people who are calling out Trump when you see and you don't like it. Obama has nothing to do with Trump or Trump supporters.

I am. My reply was not about Obama, it was about the credibility and hypocrisy of the OP's reaction to Trump supporters, when we've already seen his side do the same, over and over.

I asked you nicely, and I would appreciate it if you would show me and others some courtesy. This isn't an Obama thread. It's about a poll about Trump supporters.

And I replied nicely. It's nice to be nice, to the nice.

If you disagree with the poll results, or would have answered the question a different way, then just say it.

That wasn't the focus of my reply.

 

[Renae]

Most of these trump lovers despise the rest of America...Of course they'd support this asshole whether he (and he did) colluded with Russia.....and they probably hope he does it again

Which Candidate called those that didn't like them deplorables?

 

[ataraxia]

I'm not sure what you are trying to argue here.

That your side is better, so you should be able to lie?

No. That one side is overwhelmingly better at it, and there is no whataboutism to it. The lying today is in a whole separate league.

 

[Hedgology]

No. That one side is overwhelmingly better at it, and there is no whataboutism to it. The lying today is in a whole separate league.

Sounds like you're just upset that the other side just beat you at your own game.

Let me guess, your side never lies, right?

 

[ataraxia]

Which Candidate called those that didn't like them deplorables?

That wasn't why they were called deplorable. They were called deplorable because they are ignorant, racist, and low class, and were cheering on a guy who calls the KKK "good people", calls entire religious and ethnic groups animals who breed, thinks calling a woman "ugly" is a legitimate reason for dismissing their views out of hand, and openly told them he would cover their legal fees if they engaged in physical violence against those who didn't like them.

"Deplorable" just seems like a very apt term and a very objectively accurate description.

 

[ataraxia]

Sounds like you're just upset that the other side just beat you at your own game.

Let me guess, your side never lies, right?

One side said, with the intention of passing a healthcare bill that would cover more Americans, "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" . It turned out to not be true in a few cases.

The other side said, with the malicious intention of trying to stir up dangerous levels of hatred, bigotry, division, and anger in the country, that entire religious and ethnic groups are animals who breed and they are all rapists and murderers.

That's like thinking Al Capone is the same thing as the little kid who got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. It's a whole different league, a whole different game that's being played. I am surprised you think there is even a remote similarity here. Shocking.

 

[disneydude]

Trump: "I could shoot someone in Times Square and not lose support".

That is probably the only true thing Trump has ever said.

He could grab a six year old child by the ***** in the middle of the day in the middle of times square and his supporters would still support him.

 

[Renae]

That wasn't why they were called deplorable. They were called deplorable because they are ignorant, racist, and low class, and were cheering on a guy who calls the KKK "good people", calls entire religious and ethnic groups animals who breed, thinks calling a woman "ugly" is a legitimate reason for dismissing their views out of hand, and openly told them he would cover their legal fees if they engaged in physical violence against those who didn't like them.

"Deplorable" just seems like a very apt term and a very objectively accurate description.

Ahh, so you admit that bigotry towards those that disagree with you is your style.

 

[ataraxia]

Ahh, so you admit that bigotry towards those that disagree with you is your style.

No. I admit that there is no hypocrisy in being intolerant of intolerance.

 

[Renae]

No. I admit that there is no hypocrisy in being intolerant of intolerance.

No, you are a bigot towards those that disagree with you.