POLL: Majority of Trump voters would support him even if he colluded with Russia

[markjs]

This has been crystal clear to anyone with any awareness and an ability to read the news objectively from the start, and this is an OLD story, so hopefully is OK, IDK, but it's certainly relevant, and scares the hell out of me, and I dare say, maybe most rational observers. How can anyone be OK with a crime, on the part of the chief exec?

POLL: Majority of Trump voters would support him even if he colluded with Russia

A recent poll reveals that a majority of Trump voters wouldn't care even if the Trump campaign's collusion with Russia is proven true.
Surveys also show that a majority of respondents believe the Trump-Russia collusion accusations.
The left-leaning Public Policy Polling surveyed 862 voters, although it should be noted that 43% of respondents were democrats while just 33% were republicans.

A majority of President Donald Trump's voters surveyed by the left-leaning Public Policy Polling (PPP) believe he should continue to serve as president even if it's proven that he conspired with Russia to sway the 2016 election.

Just 14% of Trump voters said he should resign in the event that special counsel Robert Mueller or the congressional intelligence committees find that he colluded with Russia. On the other hand, 77% of Trump voters believe he should remain in office if the collusion claims are proven true. When Democrats and independent voters were factored into the results, 37% of respondents said they believed Trump should stay in office if he colluded with Russia.

The survey also found that 52% of respondents believe members of Trump's campaign team worked with Russia to help him clinch the presidency. The results were split along partisan lines: while 86% of those who voted for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton believe the Trump-Russia allegations, just 13% of Trump voters do.

These polls come as special counsel Robert Mueller continues the FBI investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 election, including whether members of Trump's campaign colluded with Moscow to tilt the election in his favor. Mueller is also looking into whether Trump sought to obstruct justice when he fired FBI director James Comey in May....

I find it DEEPLY disturbing, far more disturbing, than the crimes themselves, that a good quarter of America, the quarter that pretends at being suppoortive of law an order is willing to throw out their ethics for love of a demogogue.:roll:

 

[Rexedgar]

Trump has effectively made whatever Mueller finds a moot point. I cannot imagine what it would take to turn supporters away from Trump. There are way too many moving parts right now, Israel (north & south), North Korea, Trade Wars with multiple nations, unrest in the US...........the next few weeks will be interesting....

 

[Aristaeus]

Trump: "I could shoot someone in Times Square and not lose support".

That is probably the only true thing Trump has ever said.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Trump: "I could shoot someone in Times Square and not lose support".

That is probably the only true thing Trump has ever said.

Exactly right, and collusion is less of a crime than murder.... is collusion a crime at all?

Obstruction of justice is, however.

 

[rocket88]

Literally ANYTHING is ok for him. I wouldn't be surprised to see a movement to repeal the Constitutional ban on 3 terms. And when that succeeds the ticket of Clinton/Clinton will win the election.

 

[Winston]

Exactly right, and collusion is less of a crime than murder.... is collusion a crime at all?

Obstruction of justice is, however.

No, it would probably be a conspiracy charge.

And if there's quid pro quo, ie, you give me this, I give you lifted sanctions, etc.

That is unconstitutional.

 

[Exquisitor]

This has been crystal clear to anyone with any awareness and an ability to read the news objectively from the start, and this is an OLD story, so hopefully is OK, IDK, but it's certainly relevant, and scares the hell out of me, and I dare say, maybe most rational observers. How can anyone be OK with a crime, on the part of the chief exec?

I find it DEEPLY disturbing, far more disturbing, than the crimes themselves, that a good quarter of America, the quarter that pretends at being suppoortive of law an order is willing to throw out their ethics for love of a demogogue.:roll:

I don't see why he would need to collude.

"Russia if you're listening..."

I'm not typically a Trump supporter, and although I'm not concerned with the level of possible collusion, at this point Democrats must do everything they can to oppose President Trump.

 

[SheWolf]

This has been crystal clear to anyone with any awareness and an ability to read the news objectively from the start, and this is an OLD story, so hopefully is OK, IDK, but it's certainly relevant, and scares the hell out of me, and I dare say, maybe most rational observers. How can anyone be OK with a crime, on the part of the chief exec?



I find it DEEPLY disturbing, far more disturbing, than the crimes themselves, that a good quarter of America, the quarter that pretends at being suppoortive of law an order is willing to throw out their ethics for love of a demogogue.:roll:

This is disturbing but in a way, not surprising. I remember when Obama was in office, Fox and right wingers often praised Putin. They talked like Putin was a strong leader and Obama was weak.

The alt right probably likes Putin.

 

[SheWolf]

Trump has effectively made whatever Mueller finds a moot point. I cannot imagine what it would take to turn supporters away from Trump. There are way too many moving parts right now, Israel (north & south), North Korea, Trade Wars with multiple nations, unrest in the US...........the next few weeks will be interesting....

I keep hearing people say the economy could go back into recession because of Italy and all the unrest. I can already hear Trump supporters say that recessions occur naturally and Trump has nothing to do with it.

Trump supporters are probably lost. We just need to hope a majority can actually coalesce and do the right thing.

 

[MTAtech]

This has been crystal clear to anyone with any awareness and an ability to read the news objectively from the start, and this is an OLD story, so hopefully is OK, IDK, but it's certainly relevant, and scares the hell out of me, and I dare say, maybe most rational observers. How can anyone be OK with a crime, on the part of the chief exec?

I find it DEEPLY disturbing, far more disturbing, than the crimes themselves, that a good quarter of America, the quarter that pretends at being suppoortive of law an order is willing to throw out their ethics for love of a demogogue.:roll:

It is indeed disturbing but it also shows what many of us already knew -- Trump supporters are tribal and don't care at all about patriotism or their country. They are essentially Jim Jones cultists or Manson family members.

 

[Cardinal]

This has been crystal clear to anyone with any awareness and an ability to read the news objectively from the start, and this is an OLD story, so hopefully is OK, IDK, but it's certainly relevant, and scares the hell out of me, and I dare say, maybe most rational observers. How can anyone be OK with a crime, on the part of the chief exec?



I find it DEEPLY disturbing, far more disturbing, than the crimes themselves, that a good quarter of America, the quarter that pretends at being suppoortive of law an order is willing to throw out their ethics for love of a demogogue.:roll:

Um...that "fifth avenue" statement wasn't just a figure of speech.

 

[markjs]

It is indeed disturbing but it also shows what many of us already knew -- Trump supporters are tribal and don't care at all about patriotism or their country. They are essentially Jim Jones cultists or Manson family members.

And thus TRULY DEPLORABLES, and worse still, don't see it and see it as a demeaning insult, when it's merely descriptive and accuarate. One whose ethics are irrelevant, in the face of "losing partisan politcal ground", has no place having a voice, I feel, but that's not reality. Sadder still "deplorability" is a choice, a bad one, they made; that could be positive, if they learn from this and change, but will they?

 

[markjs]

Another thing I've noticed, the TRumplings always take some time before jumping in on anti Trump threads these days, and I think that's gotten steadily worse, as negative stories have slowly trickled out, casting a lot of doubt on the president's innocence. My theory is, these days, they need to spend a lot of mental and emotional prep time to post, go check the right wing propaganda machine, Fox "News", Breitbart, Prison Plantet, InfoWars, get some taling points, confirmation bias fed, lift their weary flagging spirits, have a drink to calm their nerves, before attemting to "refute" our threads. It'd be funny if it wasn't so damn damaging to our nation.:roll:

Give it 1/2 hour to two hours, or as much as a day, and Fenton, or apsdt, or some other TRumpling will post some nonsense CT or go "hey look there's Hillary" or, "but Obama", it's inevitable, but slower these days, maybe my calling oit out will speed it up, or stop it entirely in this thread, IDK. They share a certain predictability, but their trance is so much deeper than anything someone like me, or anyone I know with similar politics, has or likely ever will experience, so it adds an element of unpredictability, to that which is ilusory in nature, in seeming fully predictable. We just aren't made that way, I suspect.... Hard to predict something so alien to one's own "process".:roll:

 

[Anthony60]

This has been crystal clear to anyone with any awareness and an ability to read the news objectively from the start, and this is an OLD story, so hopefully is OK, IDK, but it's certainly relevant, and scares the hell out of me, and I dare say, maybe most rational observers. How can anyone be OK with a crime, on the part of the chief exec?



I find it DEEPLY disturbing, far more disturbing, than the crimes themselves, that a good quarter of America, the quarter that pretends at being suppoortive of law an order is willing to throw out their ethics for love of a demogogue.:roll:

Honestly, I think Obama and Hillary supporters would come in at the same rate. What were you expecting, 0%?

 

[markjs]

Honestly, I think Obama and Hillary supporters would come in at the same rate. What were you expecting, 0%?

No, you're being completely dishonest, name one major scandal we "blinded" ourself to, of the magnitude, of what you have to do daily to post here and be "serious"?

 

[Zyphlin]

These kind of things always annoy me with polls, but partially because I've ran some before and have an understanding of them.

If it's shown that Trump knowingly colluded with a foreign entity to influence the election, specifically in any fashion that is illegal, then I approve of any legal action possible to be taken against him and absolutely agree that he should step down.

If it's shown that his "campaign" colluded with a foreign entity in such a fashion, then it becomes a lot more murky. Was Trump aware of it, or authorize it, or request it. What was his actual role in it. Were these individuals acting in accordance with his wishes, or going rogue and engaging in wrong doing in order to make themselves look better by making their boss look better? There's a lot more grey area when you're talking about the "campaign" colluding and I'm unsure if I'd actually get on board with the notion that a duly elected President....and make all the hay you want about outside interference, the fact is there has been no evidence what so ever that the votes were altered or manipulated in any fashion...should abdicate power in all instances where such "collusion" is shown. There's undoubtedly certain instances where I would likely side on the notion of "Trump should resign or be removed", but there's others where I'd probably side on the "he should not be".

Thus if I was asked by a pollster regarding the idea of the campaign being found to have colluded, without any further details or information, I'd be hard pressed to give an affirmative "not support" or "step down" type of answer because the question is to ambiguous.

 

[MTAtech]

Honestly, I think Obama and Hillary supporters would come in at the same rate. What were you expecting, 0%?

I disagree. Obama supporters were some of his biggest policy critics. When he was willing to give into John Boehner, they blasted him. If Obama was found to have committed actual crimes, they would have urged him to resign and let Biden take over. That is what happened after Watergate -- Republicans urged Nixon to resign.

What I notice is the cognitive dissonance of Trump supporters -- so willing to excuse, look the other way, or pretend that the other side is either just as bad or worse.

 

[Cardinal]

These kind of things always annoy me with polls, but partially because I've ran some before and have an understanding of them.

If it's shown that Trump knowingly colluded with a foreign entity to influence the election, specifically in any fashion that is illegal, then I approve of any legal action possible to be taken against him and absolutely agree that he should step down.

If it's shown that his "campaign" colluded with a foreign entity in such a fashion, then it becomes a lot more murky. Was Trump aware of it, or authorize it, or request it. What was his actual role in it. Were these individuals acting in accordance with his wishes, or going rogue and engaging in wrong doing in order to make themselves look better by making their boss look better? There's a lot more grey area when you're talking about the "campaign" colluding and I'm unsure if I'd actually get on board with the notion that a duly elected President....and make all the hay you want about outside interference, the fact is there has been no evidence what so ever that the votes were altered or manipulated in any fashion...should abdicate power in all instances where such "collusion" is shown. There's undoubtedly certain instances where I would likely side on the notion of "Trump should resign or be removed", but there's others where I'd probably side on the "he should not be".

Thus if I was asked by a pollster regarding the idea of the campaign being found to have colluded, without any further details or information, I'd be hard pressed to give an affirmative "not support" or "step down" type of answer because the question is to ambiguous.

His campaign colluded AF with the Russians. The question has been and continues to be, "What did Trump know and when did he know it?"

 

[markjs]

Honestly, I think Obama and Hillary supporters would come in at the same rate. What were you expecting, 0%?

Did I not call that? Didn't take long as I thought for you to jump in with a laughable straw man argument, irrelevant to the OP, Hillary and Obama in one troll!

If what you contend is so, and I'm certain is with a measurable number of folk, I suspect a MUCH smaller number than on "the right", it's still irrelevant to my post, but still disturbing, so anyway, got anything worthwhile to say now?

 

[AlbqOwl]

This has been crystal clear to anyone with any awareness and an ability to read the news objectively from the start, and this is an OLD story, so hopefully is OK, IDK, but it's certainly relevant, and scares the hell out of me, and I dare say, maybe most rational observers. How can anyone be OK with a crime, on the part of the chief exec?



I find it DEEPLY disturbing, far more disturbing, than the crimes themselves, that a good quarter of America, the quarter that pretends at being suppoortive of law an order is willing to throw out their ethics for love of a demogogue.:roll:

Collusion, FYI, is not automatically a crime. But even if there was some form of collusion in there, it was certainly no worse than Hillary paying a British spy to collude with the Russians to get dirt on then candidate Trump. And I would bet a good steak dinner that, knowing that, you would vote for Hillary over Trump if the election was held today.

 

[markjs]

Collusion, FYI, is not automatically a crime. But even if there was some form of collusion in there, it was certainly no worse than Hillary paying a British spy to collude with the Russians to get dirt on then candidate Trump. And I would bet a good steak dinner that, knowing that, you would vote for Hillary over Trump if the election was held today.

OMG STFU, yes it is, just may not be the charge. Collusion in a criminal manner. Semantics and technicalities are irrelavant here, will not save your guy, and just show how damn brainwashed you are, and makes your argument instantly dismissable, as the trolling it is, the sad part is you can't see it.

Got all the elements of trolling, comments meant to inflame, straw man (Hillary), no pertinent info relating to OP and, CTs, and false info supporting your argument with no supporting evidence, could you be any less accurate, intellectually honest, or relevant?

NAw strike that, rhetorical, I know you can in a NY minute, I see you do it "vapid-fire" on a daily basis....:roll:

 

[markjs]

Collusion, FYI, is not automatically a crime. But even if there was some form of collusion in there, it was certainly no worse than Hillary paying a British spy to collude with the Russians to get dirt on then candidate Trump. And I would bet a good steak dinner that, knowing that, you would vote for Hillary over Trump if the election was held today.

Keep on trolling, I have rarely seen that you are capable of anything else, when you can actually stay on topic and debate, I may consider it, but no value here.

 

[AlbqOwl]

OMG STFU, yes it is, just may not be the charge. Collusion in a criminal manner. Semantics and technicalities are irrelavant here, will not save your guy, and just show how damn brainwashed you are, and makes your argument instantly dismissable, as the trolling it is, the sad part is you can't see it.

Got all the elements of trolling, comments meant to inflame, straw man (Hillary), no pertinent info relating to OP and, CTs, and false info supporting your argument with no supporting evidence, could you be any less accurate, intellectually honest, or relevant?

NAw strike that, rhetorical, I know you can in a NY minute, I see you do it "vapid-fire" on a daily basis....:roll:

. . .Paul Rosenzweig is former deputy assistant secretary for policy at the Department of Homeland Security and founder of Red Branch Consulting.

Collusion is not a federal crime (except in the unique case of antitrust law), so we should all just stop using “collusion” as a short-hand for criminality. But that doesn’t mean that the alleged cooperation between the Trump campaign and Russia is of no criminal interest. To the contrary, if true, it may have violated any number of criminal prohibitions. . .​

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/12/what-is-collusion-215366

 

[markjs]

. . .Paul Rosenzweig is former deputy assistant secretary for policy at the Department of Homeland Security and founder of Red Branch Consulting.

Collusion is not a federal crime (except in the unique case of antitrust law), so we should all just stop using “collusion” as a short-hand for criminality. But that doesn’t mean that the alleged cooperation between the Trump campaign and Russia is of no criminal interest. To the contrary, if true, it may have violated any number of criminal prohibitions. . .​

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/12/what-is-collusion-215366

Semantics, conspiring, obstruction, another irrelevant bit of trolling to add to your long career of trolling, are you proud?

Can you explain how that is debating? It's semantics. Even the, "Oh, he committed crimes, but the big bad FBI spied and picked on him so he should get away with it", defense is much better than this....

Wow you can troll a thread, distract with semantics to avoid addressing any isse regarding the OP, am I supposed to be impressed?

 

[Anthony60]

No, you're being completely dishonest, name one major scandal we "blinded" ourself to, of the magnitude, of what you have to do daily to post here and be "serious"?

You must be joking with that response. Nah, you guys didn't look the other way on any of Obama's scandals. The IRS, Fast and Furious, Obamacare lies, etc... LOL!