POLL: Majority of Trump voters would support him even if he colluded with Russia

[Conservative]

That has got to be one of the lamest attempts at a dodge, ever.

What you so confidently (and baselessly) claimed was that Californians were less informed than Texans. Not surprisingly, not a single link above addressed that point at all.

Like all alt-right cultists, you're the one who believes what he is told, and that is all that matters to him.

You simply cannot admit when wrong, you wanted links and data, I gave them to you.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Every state is measured the same way and every state has different costs of living in different cities but California leads the nation because of high taxes, high regulations, and social programs to fund illegals

How do you explain the fact that Fresno, California has a lower cost of living than does Houston, Texas despite the fact that the former has to live with the same regulations, taxes, and social programs that San Jose (one of the most expensive places to live in the country) does?

My explanation: San Jose has a much higher demand for housing and other services, hence, the cost is higher.

Supply and demand: Capitalism in action.

Your explanation?

 

[Dittohead not!]

1 Glad he's reversed the way we treated Israel and Iran, that was backwards for a while.

2 It's funny, the left really, really, really cares about the wall and who's paying for it, as if it is the one thing that is causing a deficit. They couldn't care less about trillions of dollars the previous eight years.

3 So, tariffs, I'm not a big fan of. Roe V. Wade, not a fan of that, either. NK, just started, so the jury is out there, but he's done more than anyone else.

1 Yes, I can hardly wait until Iran resumes its nuclear program. If they don't, it will be due to the other signatories to the Iran deal, while Trump's America goes away.

2. How many times did Trump say Mexico would pay for the wall?

Those trillions of dollars spent by the "left" are now being added to by the "right." There are no fiscal conservatives in Washington.

3. Yes, tariffs, trade wars. That is 100% Trump's doing, where a lot of the rest is not. If Trump can actually get nukes out of the hands of that murderous dictator in NK, good on him, but I still have my doubts.

 

[Conservative]

How do you explain the fact that Fresno, California has a lower cost of living than does Houston, Texas despite the fact that the former has to live with the same regulations, taxes, and social programs that San Jose (one of the most expensive places to live in the country) does?

My explanation: San Jose has a much higher demand for housing and other services, hence, the cost is higher.

Supply and demand: Capitalism in action.

Your explanation?

Probably due to the fact Houston is the fourth largest city in the nation. What does that have to do with the quality of life, cost of living in the state and having among the worst business climate in the nation? Suggest you post legitimate non partisan sources to support your claims vs. your own opinions

 

[Dittohead not!]

Probably due to the fact Houston is the fourth largest city in the nation. What does that have to do with the quality of life, cost of living in the state and having among the worst business climate in the nation? Suggest you post legitimate non partisan sources to support your claims vs. your own opinions

There is nothing "partisan" about the sources I posted and that you obviously didn't follow. The issue you brought up was cost of living. Cost of living varies more from one city to another than it does from one state to another, this despite the fact that all cities live with the same taxes and regulations that affect the entire state.

So, Houston has about four times the population of Fresno. That's the only reason you can come up with to explain why it costs more to live in Houston? If the size of the city is the determnent, then if follows that taxes and regulations have little to do with the overall cost of living.

 

[Conservative]

There is nothing "partisan" about the sources I posted and that you obviously didn't follow. The issue you brought up was cost of living. Cost of living varies more from one city to another than it does from one state to another, this despite the fact that all cities live with the same taxes and regulations that affect the entire state.

So, Houston has about four times the population of Fresno. That's the only reason you can come up with to explain why it costs more to live in Houston? If the size of the city is the determnent, then if follows that taxes and regulations have little to do with the overall cost of living.

of course it does but can you name for me any taxes and regulations in California that are less than what we have in any city in TX? Your focus on smaller cities and not the big picture in California is quite telling. I certainly hope you are smarter than you appear in this thread

 

[danarhea]

Collusion, FYI, is not automatically a crime. But even if there was some form of collusion in there, it was certainly no worse than Hillary paying a British spy to collude with the Russians to get dirt on then candidate Trump. And I would bet a good steak dinner that, knowing that, you would vote for Hillary over Trump if the election was held today.

Since you brought up the Steele dossier, I must correct you on your misinformation. Republicans paid a British spy to get dirt on Trump. When Trump was nominated, those Republicans dropped their effort, so the Democrats paid money for the dirt that Steele had obtained.

And yes, you are right about collusion. Collusion is not a crime. However, conspiracy and obstruction of justice are both crimes. So is money laundering. So are campaign contribution violations. And so is fraud. Did Trump commit those crimes? We will find out when Mueller issues the report of his investigation, which by the way, was not initiated by Democrats, but by Republicans that Trump himself appointed.

 

[Dittohead not!]

of course it does but can you name for me any taxes and regulations in California that are less than what we have in any city in TX? Your focus on smaller cities and not the big picture in California is quite telling. I certainly hope you are smarter than you appear in this thread

I, too, hope you are smarter than you appear in this thread.

I'm sure that state taxes are less in Texas than they are in California.

However, they're the same in Fresno as they are in San Jose.

Therefore, taxes aren't the major contributor to the cost of living in California vs. Texas.

My Point: The cost of living may be high along the coast and in the big cities. In the hinterland, it is not. Therefore, the number of poor and homeless is not due to the cost of living, and the cost of living is not due to the state government.

Now that we've proven that, let's drop the "oh, the poor and homeless living in such a high cost state" nonsense, and see if we can explain why economic growing is higher in California than it is in Texas, even though Texas leads most of the red states in economic growth.

 

[Conservative]

I, too, hope you are smarter than you appear in this thread.

I'm sure that state taxes are less in Texas than they are in California.

However, they're the same in Fresno as they are in San Jose.

Therefore, taxes aren't the major contributor to the cost of living in California vs. Texas.

My Point: The cost of living may be high along the coast and in the big cities. In the hinterland, it is not. Therefore, the number of poor and homeless is not due to the cost of living, and the cost of living is not due to the state government.

Now that we've proven that, let's drop the "oh, the poor and homeless living in such a high cost state" nonsense, and see if we can explain why economic growing is higher in California than it is in Texas, even though Texas leads most of the red states in economic growth.

Taxes and regulations are part of the cost of living and have led California to be among the highest in the nation which I am sure makes the poor and homeless extremely happy and thus celebrating

 

[Conservative]

I, too, hope you are smarter than you appear in this thread.

I'm sure that state taxes are less in Texas than they are in California.

However, they're the same in Fresno as they are in San Jose.

Therefore, taxes aren't the major contributor to the cost of living in California vs. Texas.

My Point: The cost of living may be high along the coast and in the big cities. In the hinterland, it is not. Therefore, the number of poor and homeless is not due to the cost of living, and the cost of living is not due to the state government.

Now that we've proven that, let's drop the "oh, the poor and homeless living in such a high cost state" nonsense, and see if we can explain why economic growing is higher in California than it is in Texas, even though Texas leads most of the red states in economic growth.

You can continue to bury your head in the sand and ignore reality which is what the elite normally do. Love your passion for your state but the actual results don't give you a lot of credibility. Who pays these costs?

https://www.fairus.org/issue/public...rden-illegal-immigration-california-taxpayers

 

[Dittohead not!]

Taxes and regulations are part of the cost of living and have led California to be among the highest in the nation which I am sure makes the poor and homeless extremely happy and thus celebrating

Then explain why the cost of living in Fresno is less than it is in Houston.

 

[Dittohead not!]

You can continue to bury your head in the sand and ignore reality which is what the elite normally do. Love your passion for your state but the actual results don't give you a lot of credibility. Who pays these costs?

https://www.fairus.org/issue/public...rden-illegal-immigration-california-taxpayers

and despite the burden of illegal immigration, California still has higher economic growth than does Texas. How can that be explained? Perhaps it's because those illegal immigrants work and pay taxes, just like the legal immigrants and the citizens do, but they aren't eligible for welfare benefits and such. Or, maybe it's because Texas limits growth due to an overly conservative ideology. Or, perhaps it is that Texas, like California, has a lot of illegal aliens. It's really hard to tell from an obviously biased site such as the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

I'm going to guess that it's Texas also has a lot of illegal aliens.

 

[Conservative]

and despite the burden of illegal immigration, California still has higher economic growth than does Texas. How can that be explained? Perhaps it's because those illegal immigrants work and pay taxes, just like the legal immigrants and the citizens do, but they aren't eligible for welfare benefits and such. Or, maybe it's because Texas limits growth due to an overly conservative ideology. Or, perhaps it is that Texas, like California, has a lot of illegal aliens. It's really hard to tell from an obviously biased site such as the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

I'm going to guess that it's Texas also has a lot of illegal aliens.

guess the components of GDP escape you, figure out why and stop making foolish claims that mean nothing.

 

[DifferentDrummr]

You simply cannot admit when wrong, you wanted links and data, I gave them to you.

Quit projecting: YOU are the one who claimed that Californians were less informed than Texans. I asked for evidence, and what you supplied was completely irrelevant.

As everyone knows, the alt-right never admits to being wrong.

 

[Dittohead not!]

guess the components of GDP escape you, figure out why and stop making foolish claims that mean nothing.

Yes, please explain to poor, foolish me how economic growth and the GDP are unrelated, and continue to demonstrate how to make foolish claims that mean nothing.

 

[Conservative]

Quit projecting: YOU are the one who claimed that Californians were less informed than Texans. I asked for evidence, and what you supplied was completely irrelevant.

As everyone knows, the alt-right never admits to being wrong.

The results would indicate that is true. Were you informed that California leads the nation in poverty, homelessness, has the worst quality of life and is among the highest cost of living states in the country?

 

[Conservative]

Yes, please explain to poor, foolish me how economic growth and the GDP are unrelated, and continue to demonstrate how to make foolish claims that mean nothing.

It would seem I don't have to explain it to anyone but you as the GDP growth in California which is almost all population related has done very little for those in poverty, homelessness. Just think what the money spent on Illegals would do to those people?

 

[AlbqOwl]

Since you brought up the Steele dossier, I must correct you on your misinformation. Republicans paid a British spy to get dirt on Trump. When Trump was nominated, those Republicans dropped their effort, so the Democrats paid money for the dirt that Steele had obtained.

And yes, you are right about collusion. Collusion is not a crime. However, conspiracy and obstruction of justice are both crimes. So is money laundering. So are campaign contribution violations. And so is fraud. Did Trump commit those crimes? We will find out when Mueller issues the report of his investigation, which by the way, was not initiated by Democrats, but by Republicans that Trump himself appointed.

I will concede that Fusion GPS (who hired Steele) was initially commissioned by at least one Republican to do opposition research (dig up dirt) on then primary candidate, Donald J. Trump. However, according to "Vanity Fair", by March/April 2016, when President Trump was well on his way to wrapping up the nomination, the anonymous Republican--we still don't know who he/she was--broke off with Fusion GPS apparently choosing not to throw good money after bad. (I'm guessing a candidate who wasn't doing well in the primaries and had or was about to drop out.)

At that time Glenn Simpson, head of Fusion GPS and a strong Hillary supporter--at least in his 2017 congressional testimony he admitted that at the same time he was trying to get dirt on Trump, he was trying to steer the FBI away from investigating Hillary--approached Hillary and the DNC to keep it going and Hillary/the DNC became Fusion GPS clients. It was THEN that Simpson hired Christopher Steele who would put together the so-called Steele Dossier.

That's the best timeline I have been able to put together, but of course the way these things go, there could be some variance in there somewhere.

 

[Dittohead not!]

It would seem I don't have to explain it to anyone but you as the GDP growth in California which is almost all population related has done very little for those in poverty, homelessness. Just think what the money spent on Illegals would do to those people?

It's GDP per capita, not just raw GDP.
If those poor and homeless were to want to go out and pick grapes like the illegals do, then they'd get the money the illegals get. Why is it you liberals just want to keep spending money on people who don't want to work?

 

[DifferentDrummr]

The results would indicate that is true.

That the alt-right never admits to being wrong? Yes, absolutely.

Were you informed that California leads the nation in poverty, homelessness, has the worst quality of life and is among the highest cost of living states in the country?

Another lame attempt at a dodge. You referred to Californians in general (and Texans in general), not just me.

 

[Conservative]

That the alt-right never admits to being wrong? Yes, absolutely.


Another lame attempt at a dodge. You referred to Californians in general (and Texans in general), not just me.

dara supports my claim as does California's voting record

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[Conservative]

It's GDP per capita, not just raw GDP.
If those poor and homeless were to want to go out and pick grapes like the illegals do, then they'd get the money the illegals get. Why is it you liberals just want to keep spending money on people who don't want to work?

You liberals keep spending money in the name of compassion never putting strings on the social spending like work for pay. When is the state of California going to force some tough love rather than breaking immigration laws and being a haven for the homeless. Think the homeless go there simply for the weather?? No, the benefits they get promote moves to California

 

[MAGAnificent]

They don't seem to have.

If they can really bring in busloads of Mexicans to work the fields, then Trump's wall, should it ever be built, won't be very effective, will it?

Come on, you can do better then that. The busloads I am referring to are legal and checked. And not all of the illegal border crossers are coming over to look for work. Some just want to take advantage of our welfare entitlement system.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I'm not the one calling myself a conservative, yet bemoaning the plight of the poor and homeless in a state with high economic growth.

You just confirmed that you are confused.

 

[Dittohead not!]

You liberals keep spending money in the name of compassion never putting strings on the social spending like work for pay. When is the state of California going to force some tough love rather than breaking immigration laws and being a haven for the homeless. Think the homeless go there simply for the weather?? No, the benefits they get promote moves to California

You seem to be conflating the homeless with the illegals. Those are two very different demographics.

If I had my way, California would get tough with the people on welfare and make them work for their benefits. You're preaching to the choir there.