Poll: 62% of Trump supporters say nothing he could do would change opinion

[Lisa]

Yikes - back to the toaster/bathtub plan...

There are always skydiving or hunting accidents. Maybe a selfie with a buffalo in Yellowstone.

 

[ecofarm]

It's not like they can fight him on policy, or actual facing up to his performance.

The (mild) tax cut was a long time ago. What else ya got? Nothing. He hasn't passed or done anything in over a year? What policy. What performance.

He almost got Ukraine to post fake news about Biden. Does that count?

 

[Logician Man]

You are quite loose with labeling people cultists. If committing yourself to a President makes you a member of a cult then you will have to admit that all those who idolized Obama, no matter what, were and are cultists.

Obama was/is 'respected' and 'admired' by his supporters...not 'idolized.' There is a BIG difference. He never advocated violence to be perpetrated in his name, or on his behalf, never offered to pay the legal fees of anyone who committed violence on his behalf, and certainly never claimed he could commit murder, and retain the support and admiration of his supporters.

 

[Vern]

Pot and kettle, if one is a cult so is the other.

No sab, you and yours don't respond to reason and logic. You respond to what you are told. Its why you cant explain why you and yours foamed at the mouth about deficits for 8 years now sit obediently quiet as trump and republicans ballooned it. Hey I know, give us an example of "pot and kettle". thanks in advance.

 

[Vern]

I think you misunderstood the point of my comment.

That's possible. But you couldn't believe Americans would turn on McCain for criticizing trump. I could easily believe it because the same "Americans" turned on Kerry when told to. So I assumed the "Kerry example" didn't count for you.

 

[apdst]

I noticed the 'swiftboating" of Kerry in 2004...

"...During John Kerry's candidacy in the 2004 U.S. presidential campaign, a political issue that gained widespread public attention was Kerry's Vietnam War record. In television advertisements and a book called Unfit for Command, co-authored by John O'Neill and Jerome Corsi, the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (SBVT), a 527 group later known as the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth, questioned details of his military service record and circumstances relating to the award of his combat medals. Their campaign against Kerry's presidential bid received widespread publicity,[1] but was later discredited and gave rise to the neologism "swiftboating", to describe an unfair or untrue political attack.[2][3] Defenders of Kerry's service record, including former crewmates, stated that allegations made by SBVT were false.[4][5][6]

John Kerry military service controversy - Wikipedia​

Jerome Corsi...that name sure rings a bell. Aw yes, how could I forget...he's 'person 1' in Roger Stones indictment.

Those men were all veterans. You know that, right?

 

[Slartibartfast]

Poll: 62% of Trump supporters say nothing he could do would change opinion - Axios

62% of people who approve of the job Donald Trump is doing as president say they can't think of anything he could do that would cause him to lose their support

Not a cult. Totally not a cult.

then write them off and invest in better educating their kids. They don't want to live in modern society.

 

[rocket88]

In fairness, it may be because his detractors have claimed he's a woman-raping, dictator-loving, election-rigging white supremacist Kremlin operative who's lied 75 million times, massacred Kurds, destroyed the US economy, locked migrant children in dog cages, doomed the planet to climate catastrophe, and personally inspired every mass shooting, police beating, and politically/racially-motivated act of violence that's occurred on Earth since August 2016.

That is, I don't think the 62% figure reflects the disinterest so much as it reflects the disbelieving. :coffeepap

So that means he's zbove the law? People on the right said for years that Obama wasn't born in the US - many of them still say that.

 

[rocket88]

then write them off and invest in better educating their kids. They don't want to live in modern society.

These are the same people who home school though....

 

[COTO]

So that means he's zbove the law? People on the right said for years that Obama wasn't born in the US - many of them still say that.

It means his foes have been so indiscriminate and unremitting in their criticism that the nation has become inured to it.

Take the items in post #87:

The claim is that Pres. Trump is a rapist. The reality is that he's a man who exploited his celebrity to grope women.

They claim he's a white supremacist. The reality is that he's given himself over to unremarkable prejudices and stereotypes several times while running his businesses.

They claim he's a Kremlin asset and friend to Pres. Putin. The reality is that US and Russian foreign policy have clashed far more often than not during his tenure, and that the Mueller inquiry found no compelling evidence of collusion.

They claim he's a liar. The reality is that he's indeed a liar, even more so than most politicians, but not by a substantial enough margin to sway his supporters towards moderately-less-deceitful politicians with policies they abhor.

They claim he's massacred Kurds by withdrawing from Syria. The reality is that the US owes nothing to the Kurds and that withdrawing from Syria (assuming it every really happens) is unquestionably the right thing to do. It was also what he promised to do during the election.

They claim he locks migrant children in dog cages and forces migrants into concentration camps. The reality is that ICE detention centers are so unlike concentration camps that actual concentration camp survivors take offense at the characterization. The ICE detention practices are no different from those under previous administrations, with the exception of ramped up enforcement.

They claim he's destroyed the economy. The reality is that for all the credit US Presidents take and all the criticism detractors heap on them, the US president has only a marginal impact on the trajectory of the national economy, for better or for worse.

They claim he's doomed the planet to climate catastrophe. The reality is that legislation tweaking US emissions standards isn't worth a fart in a windstorm when it comes to total global emissions, even if one accepts the AGW hypothesis as true and the projections as accurate. In other words, the US president has even less impact on climate than he does on the economy. Ironically, the best thing he could do to reduce carbon emissions is run the economy into the ground.

They claim he inspires mass shootings. The reality is that he's not responsible for how homicidal malcontents interpret his remarks, especially when he's saying things that need to be said.

They claim he motivates police misbehaviour. The reality is he doesn't.

In every single case, there's the reality--ranging from neutral to objectionable--and then his enemies' characterization of it--ranging from "criminally, apocalyptically bad" to "Hitler reincarnated"--and the persistent schism between the two has built up a "shield of skepticism" around Pres. Trump. My contention is that 62% of respondents are basically saying, "You can claim the wolf is Fenrir preparing to devour the Earth during fiery Ragnarok for all I care, I will never again believe you when you cry 'Wolf!' on Pres. Trump."

 

[ocean515]

Poll: 62% of Trump supporters say nothing he could do would change opinion - Axios

62% of people who approve of the job Donald Trump is doing as president say they can't think of anything he could do that would cause him to lose their support

Not a cult. Totally not a cult.

Did you take the time to read the actual Monmouth University poll?

Partisan Opinion on Trump Digs in | Monmouth University Polling Institute

Question 25 sums up the publics perception of what the Democrats are doing.

That proves who belongs to the cult.

 

[3leftsdoo]

There are always skydiving or hunting accidents. Maybe a selfie with a buffalo in Yellowstone.

Very creative! :thumbs:

 

[3leftsdoo]

Obama was/is 'respected' and 'admired' by his supporters...not 'idolized.' There is a BIG difference. He never advocated violence to be perpetrated in his name, or on his behalf, never offered to pay the legal fees of anyone who committed violence on his behalf, and certainly never claimed he could commit murder, and retain the support and admiration of his supporters.

Obama = Mass murdering war criminal

 

[Higgins86]

That's possible. But you couldn't believe Americans would turn on McCain for criticizing trump. I could easily believe it because the same "Americans" turned on Kerry when told to. So I assumed the "Kerry example" didn't count for you.

No i remember Kerry but that didn’t shock me as he was a Democrat. I thought it was sad and pathetic to go after Kerry but again didn’t shock me. McCain however was one of them and they had literally rallied behind him just 8 years prior.

 

[haymarket]

He could literally machine gun an antifa protest - on his own - and they'd cheer his hands on approach.

I dunno about that - I think it depends on how effective of a shot he was. :mrgreen:

 

[rocket88]

It means his foes have been so indiscriminate and unremitting in their criticism that the nation has become inured to it.

Take the items in post #87:

The claim is that Pres. Trump is a rapist. The reality is that he's a man who exploited his celebrity to grope women.

They claim he's a white supremacist. The reality is that he's given himself over to unremarkable prejudices and stereotypes several times while running his businesses.

They claim he's a Kremlin asset and friend to Pres. Putin. The reality is that US and Russian foreign policy have clashed far more often than not during his tenure, and that the Mueller inquiry found no compelling evidence of collusion.

They claim he's a liar. The reality is that he's indeed a liar, even more so than most politicians, but not by a substantial enough margin to sway his supporters towards moderately-less-deceitful politicians with policies they abhor.

They claim he's massacred Kurds by withdrawing from Syria. The reality is that the US owes nothing to the Kurds and that withdrawing from Syria (assuming it every really happens) is unquestionably the right thing to do. It was also what he promised to do during the election.

They claim he locks migrant children in dog cages and forces migrants into concentration camps. The reality is that ICE detention centers are so unlike concentration camps that actual concentration camp survivors take offense at the characterization. The ICE detention practices are no different from those under previous administrations, with the exception of ramped up enforcement.

They claim he's destroyed the economy. The reality is that for all the credit US Presidents take and all the criticism detractors heap on them, the US president has only a marginal impact on the trajectory of the national economy, for better or for worse.

They claim he's doomed the planet to climate catastrophe. The reality is that legislation tweaking US emissions standards isn't worth a fart in a windstorm when it comes to total global emissions, even if one accepts the AGW hypothesis as true and the projections as accurate. In other words, the US president has even less impact on climate than he does on the economy. Ironically, the best thing he could do to reduce carbon emissions is run the economy into the ground.

They claim he inspires mass shootings. The reality is that he's not responsible for how homicidal malcontents interpret his remarks, especially when he's saying things that need to be said.

They claim he motivates police misbehaviour. The reality is he doesn't.

In every single case, there's the reality--ranging from neutral to objectionable--and then his enemies' characterization of it--ranging from "criminally, apocalyptically bad" to "Hitler reincarnated"--and the persistent schism between the two has built up a "shield of skepticism" around Pres. Trump. My contention is that 62% of respondents are basically saying, "You can claim the wolf is Fenrir preparing to devour the Earth during fiery Ragnarok for all I care, I will never again believe you when you cry 'Wolf!' on Pres. Trump."

At some point, it's not crying wolf though. Take Ukraine. The transcript says that he said what was claimed, witnesses confirm it....

I mean, sure some of his detractors go overboard, but to say NOTHING would change it? That's some serious devotion.

 

[rocket88]

Did you take the time to read the actual Monmouth University poll?

Partisan Opinion on Trump Digs in | Monmouth University Polling Institute

Question 25 sums up the publics perception of what the Democrats are doing.

That proves who belongs to the cult.

Actually it proves that you don't know what a cult is and that you are a devotee of said cult.

 

[Nalu]

Democrats have some bizarre view that if a person has any difference of opinion from President Trump, then that person must vote for the corporate fascism, racism, bigotries, hate mongering, USA-hating socialist Democratic Party.

I'm not pro-Republican. I am intensely anti-Democrat.

That's true among some Democrats. Another poster on here recently berated me for not voting for Hillary Clinton in 2016. Even though I didn't vote for Trump either. It wasn't good enough that I didn't support Trump. I had to support Clinton instead. Nah. Not for me.

The Republicans are even worse than the Democrats, but you made your preference clear and I'm not trying to get into an aimless argument. I would just encourage you to examine the Republican party as critically as you do the Democratic party. Both sides have enough intolerance to coat the entire surface of the planet in 8 feet of it.

 

[Court Jester]

If you support someone completely independent of their actions and there's nothing they could ever do to make you lose their support, yes, you're in a cult.

So then in a democracy you get to vote for "the cult" which best represents your personal views and interests.

He once joked about being able to murder someone on the street and he wouldn't lose supporters. We all laughed and shook our heads, but it turns out he was absolutely right. Most of you are so drunk on his kool-aid you would defend him, scream that it's all a lie, and start attacking the prosecutors and cops that try to bring him to justice.

I think it was pretty clear that in 2016 people chose between old moldy rag flavored Kool-Aid and the new bubble gum pizza flavored Kool-Aid. Bubble gum pizza flavored Kool-Aid may sound crazy, but who wants to drink another gallon of moldy rag flavored Kool-Aid? Anyone who has ever had a colonoscopy knows the answer.

Everybody will always have their preference of "KOOK-Aid". Welcome to modern politics.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

It means his foes have been so indiscriminate and unremitting in their criticism that the nation has become inured to it.

Take the items in post #87:

The claim is that Pres. Trump is a rapist. The reality is that he's a man who exploited his celebrity to grope women.

They claim he's a white supremacist. The reality is that he's given himself over to unremarkable prejudices and stereotypes several times while running his businesses.

They claim he's a Kremlin asset and friend to Pres. Putin. The reality is that US and Russian foreign policy have clashed far more often than not during his tenure, and that the Mueller inquiry found no compelling evidence of collusion.

They claim he's a liar. The reality is that he's indeed a liar, even more so than most politicians, but not by a substantial enough margin to sway his supporters towards moderately-less-deceitful politicians with policies they abhor.

They claim he's massacred Kurds by withdrawing from Syria. The reality is that the US owes nothing to the Kurds and that withdrawing from Syria (assuming it every really happens) is unquestionably the right thing to do. It was also what he promised to do during the election.

They claim he locks migrant children in dog cages and forces migrants into concentration camps. The reality is that ICE detention centers are so unlike concentration camps that actual concentration camp survivors take offense at the characterization. The ICE detention practices are no different from those under previous administrations, with the exception of ramped up enforcement.

They claim he's destroyed the economy. The reality is that for all the credit US Presidents take and all the criticism detractors heap on them, the US president has only a marginal impact on the trajectory of the national economy, for better or for worse.

They claim he's doomed the planet to climate catastrophe. The reality is that legislation tweaking US emissions standards isn't worth a fart in a windstorm when it comes to total global emissions, even if one accepts the AGW hypothesis as true and the projections as accurate. In other words, the US president has even less impact on climate than he does on the economy. Ironically, the best thing he could do to reduce carbon emissions is run the economy into the ground.

They claim he inspires mass shootings. The reality is that he's not responsible for how homicidal malcontents interpret his remarks, especially when he's saying things that need to be said.

They claim he motivates police misbehaviour. The reality is he doesn't.

In every single case, there's the reality--ranging from neutral to objectionable--and then his enemies' characterization of it--ranging from "criminally, apocalyptically bad" to "Hitler reincarnated"--and the persistent schism between the two has built up a "shield of skepticism" around Pres. Trump. My contention is that 62% of respondents are basically saying, "You can claim the wolf is Fenrir preparing to devour the Earth during fiery Ragnarok for all I care, I will never again believe you when you cry 'Wolf!' on Pres. Trump."

Huh. Literally nothing you just wasted time to post is based in reality.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

So then in a democracy you get to vote for "the cult" which best represents your personal views and interests.




I think it was pretty clear that in 2016 people chose between old moldy rag flavored Kool-Aid and the new bubble gum pizza flavored Kool-Aid. Bubble gum pizza flavored Kool-Aid may sound crazy, but who wants to drink another gallon of moldy rag flavored Kool-Aid? Anyone who has ever had a colonoscopy knows the answer.

Everybody will always have their preference of "KOOK-Aid". Welcome to modern politics.

No politician deserves anyone's unconditional support. That is not democracy, that is a tendency towards authoritarianism.

 

[digitusmedius]

Hmmm... also from that same poll citation:



Does this also make THOSE citizens a "cult?" :coffeepap:

No. It means they're sapient.

 

[Court Jester]

No politician deserves anyone's unconditional support. That is not democracy, that is a tendency towards authoritarianism.

I never said unconditionally, however I don't think your standard seems to be evenly applied by Democrats. Ted Kennedy seemed to benefit by unconditional support (not by everyone but enough) to continue to have a viable and I would say powerful voice in government for many decades despite his immoral, and some would argue criminal actions.

Like I said, people often vote for the lesser of two apparent flawed choices, and Hillary was by her own long standing record full of flaws herself.

 

[ChezC3]

Even on a poll like this they're off. I'd say easily 85% of voters would vote for him regardless. Of that 85%, 100% can be blamed on the Dems and MSM response from day 1 of his Presidency.

No one cares about the Dems foolish opposition and made up outrage. No one cares about the Press's lies.

 

[ocean515]

Actually it proves that you don't know what a cult is and that you are a devotee of said cult.

If I thought you were a good judge of anything, I might pay attention.