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Poland: WW II was caused by the two totalitarian powers : Stalinist Soviet Union and Nazi Germany

jamesbyoung said:
Because the sarcasm is reflected on you. That is what you don't get.
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Uh huh, sure buddy. I know you were aiming for the slam dunk, but why don't you just walk away now before you embarrass yourself further.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Uh huh, sure buddy. I know you were aiming for the slam dunk, but why don't you just walk away now before you embarrass yourself further.
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My expertise has interfered with your confidence. :)
 
Litwin said:
Poland: WW II was caused by the two totalitarian powers : Stalinist Soviet Union and Nazi Germany . great news, I just wonder how the forum´s sralinits here will troll down this news ...
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Yup, Japan was irrelevant.

Neither Hitler nor Stalin trusted the other. Poland was a sideshow, tho it didn't seem so to the Polish. Both knew what was coming, both were playing for time. Both believed Poland would function as a buffer against the other. But the real prize was the natural resources of Russia and eastern Europe, and an unending labor pool.
 
In 1919 French General Ferdinand Foch said of The Treaty of Versailles : "This is not peace. It is an armistice for 20 years"

That pretty much nails it... He was off by only a few months.
 
In the end, any attempt to pin the blame on starting WWII on either the Soviets or the British/French is just the usual cover for Nazi apologism. In the end it was Hitler who was the main actor, and without him there is no WWII.

Trying to shift blame or assign it to someone else is just flat out ignoring the reality of the time.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
In the end, any attempt to pin the blame on starting WWII on either the Soviets or ....
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very famous stalinst - maskalTV.ru myth. everyone knows koba and hitler started ww2 , only your TV.ru can put in one line Britain and marxist - Stalinist imperial ussr

Polish minister: Muscovite Marxist hordes DID not liberate Warsaw in 1945, they enslaved Poland fo

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Litwin said:
one more stalinst myth . much like USA, NZ etc invention plans, so what ? do you think Nazies and Koba sighted only one document ?
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None of these were green lights to invade Poland.

Hitler just waited for the green light from his ally koba , right ?
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No. Hitler made his plans to invade Poland long before relations with the USSR had been settled. Indeed, the Germans didn't know what the Soviets were planning as late as 12 September 1939. The invasion of Poland was not a well coordinated affair.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Yup, Japan was irrelevant.

Neither Hitler nor Stalin trusted the other. Poland was a sideshow, tho it didn't seem so to the Polish. Both knew what was coming, both were playing for time. Both believed Poland would function as a buffer against the other. But the real prize was the natural resources of Russia and eastern Europe, and an unending labor pool.
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Then again Hitler tied communism to judaism all the time, conflict with the USSR was inevitable.
 
bomberfox said:
Then again Hitler tied communism to judaism all the time, conflict with the USSR was inevitable.
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Well, Marx, and many leaders of the Russian revolution were Jewish. Jews in the top echelon of the Communist Party during its early days in power included Yakov Sverdlov, its executive secretary; Grigori Zinoviev, head of the Communist International; press commissar Karl Radek; foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov; as well as Lev Kamenev and Moisei Uritsky. But that was only an excuse, a subterfuge for Hitler, as the Georgian Stalin showed his colors, purging the Jewish leaders from the party long before the war. The real goal for the Nazis wasn't the Jews in Russia and eastern Europe, but resources and labor. Labor to free German men for soldiering. We know how that did not work out thanks to the Russian winters, and the inevitable sabotage resistance in the factories. It's easy to lose sight of Hitler's vision of the German future for his insane hatred of Jews.

War with Russia was also a conflict of egos, both wanting to rule the world. A recognition of each other in the other. Stalin signed a pact with Hitler to buy time. He knew what was coming, and thought Hitler would be busy on the western front, but the English Channel and RAF changed his mind. Stalin's move into Poland was for creating a buffer to bear the first assault on the east. Didn't do him or Russia much good. And from history we well know the animosity for Poland in Russia, as Poland took part in the many Swedish Empire vs Russia wars. Nothing simple or superficial in the motive of both monsters suffices.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Well, Marx, and many leaders of the Russian revolution were Jewish. Jews in the top echelon of the Communist Party during its early days in power included Yakov Sverdlov, its executive secretary; Grigori Zinoviev, head of the Communist International; press commissar Karl Radek; foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov; as well as Lev Kamenev and Moisei Uritsky. But that was only an excuse, a subterfuge for Hitler, as the Georgian Stalin showed his colors, purging the Jewish leaders from the party long before the war. The real goal for the Nazis wasn't the Jews in Russia and eastern Europe, but resources and labor. Labor to free German men for soldiering. We know how that did not work out thanks to the Russian winters, and the inevitable sabotage resistance in the factories. It's easy to lose sight of Hitler's vision of the German future for his insane hatred of Jews.

War with Russia was also a conflict of egos, both wanting to rule the world. A recognition of each other in the other. Stalin signed a pact with Hitler to buy time. He knew what was coming, and thought Hitler would be busy on the western front, but the English Channel and RAF changed his mind. Stalin's move into Poland was for creating a buffer to bear the first assault on the east. Didn't do him or Russia much good. And from history we well know the animosity for Poland in Russia, as Poland took part in the many Swedish Empire vs Russia wars. Nothing simple or superficial in the motive of both monsters suffices.
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Hitler tied marxism with judaism as early as the elections before he took power. This was well known at the time. He put out signs that read marxism with the star of david dotting the i. He also was the progenitor of the cultural marxism conspiracy theory.
 
bomberfox said:
Hitler tied marxism with judaism as early as the elections before he took power. This was well known at the time. He put out signs that read marxism with the star of david dotting the i. He also was the progenitor of the cultural marxism conspiracy theory.
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Read Mein Kampf.
 
bomberfox said:
Hitler tied marxism with judaism as early as the elections before he took power. This was well known at the time. He put out signs that read marxism with the star of david dotting the i. He also was the progenitor of the cultural marxism conspiracy theory.
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in the same time , his party name was national - socialist and he used in his work a lot of Marxist - Leninist - Stalinist life-hacks . by the way Hitler was not a first who tied marxism with judaism, Muscovites did it many years before him
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Ringo Stalin said:
There was no parade. There was a transfer of the city from Germany to the jurisdiction of the USSR. The transfer was carried out in accordance with international diplomatic and military rules of the day.
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There indeed was a parade. Photographs show Nazi and Red Army officers on the reviewing stand.
 
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Left: The German and Russian Nazis carving up Poland and the Baltic States in 1939.
Right: The Russian Nazi who wants to do so again today.
 
Excellent gppbook on this topic:

Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin by Timothy Snyder – review | Books | The Guardian

Snyder insists that the colossal atrocities in his "bloodlands" have to be set inside a single historical frame. To look at them separately – for instance, to see Hitler's crimes as "so great as to stand outside history", or Stalin's as a monstrous device to achieve modernisation – is to let the two dictators "define their own works for us". This, too, is quaggy ground for historians. In the cold war and afterwards, claims that "Stalin was worse than Hitler", or that "communism and fascism come to the same thing", generated more heat than light. But Snyder doesn't fall into such holes. He is saying that both tyrants identified this luckless strip of Europe as the place where, above all, they must impose their will or see their gigantic visions falter.

For Stalin, it was in Ukraine that "Soviet construction" would succeed or fail; its food supplies must be wrested from the peasantry by collectivisation and terror. And foreign influence – which meant above all Polish – must be flamed out of the western borderlands. (Snyder reveals the little-known fact that the Polish minority were the main ethnic victims of the great terror between 1937 and 1938: well over 100,000 were shot for fictitious "espionage".)
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