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Please explain Trumpsters: How is asking for dirt on a political opponent not against the law?

BrotherFease said:
I would ask the same question back.

I don't think you understand how the campaign laws work. Trump is running for President, so is Biden. We have two political figures running for President, therefore both are subjected to campaign laws. Polls ask people which you vote for Trump in 2020 or Biden. He's without a doubt, objectively and all, a political rival. We don't see polls where people ask whether they would support Mason or Trump for President.
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What do campaign laws have to do with the fact that Biden is not running against Trump in any election right now?

Nobody cares about polls. Please look up what a primary is and see who Biden is really running against right now.
 
Mason66 said:
What do campaign laws have to do with the fact that Biden is not running against Trump in any election right now?

Nobody cares about polls. Please look up what a primary is and see who Biden is really running against right now.
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Keep spinning those wheels. By your own logic, Trump would be a future criminal, if Biden ends up winning the nomination. Does that make any sense to you?

The bottom line is pretty simple: When you agree to run for political office, you cannot accept or receive any foreign contributions against a political opponent. Right now, Trump is running against the Democratic nominees. In other words, Trump is trying to influence the presidential election by getting intel from a foreign government. You can spin those wheels, it doesn't make your logic correct.
 
Mason66 said:
What do campaign laws have to do with the fact that Biden is not running against Trump in any election right now?

Nobody cares about polls. Please look up what a primary is and see who Biden is really running against right now.
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Both are presidential candidates and subject to campaign finance laws

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Captain Adverse said:
Trump was asking the Ukrainians to investigate possible corruption, citing several issues including the known self-admitted demand by the prior Administration that Ukraine fire a prosecutor or they won't get aid.

I.e. exactly the kind of "quid pro quo" that we do NOT see in the Trump memoranda of his recent conversation.

Meanwhile, we have a history of our government demanding investigations of this or that by foreign nations we are giving money to. Were there not people demanding investigations of Trump's "connections" to Russia during and after the campaign and his election? Asking foreign governments to "cooperate?" In fact he was compelled to authorize an investigation of HIMSELF when he knew he did nothing wrong.

If the memorandum of the call is true, there was no quid pro quo, but there was a request to look into various areas of corruption.

Our resident witch-hunters seem to have NO problem with investigations of Trump "corruption" on the slightest evidence or mere allegations. I would ask them this; how was anything Trump spoke of any different from what you demand about him on a daily basis?
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So you’re saying Obama should have asked Putin to look into the pee-pee tape allegations on Donald Trump all while discussing getting Russia back into the G8?

You’re saying there would have been nothing wrong with that?

I would be surprised if you answer this question.

You’re ignoring the danger of Putin manufacturing some teen prostitutes who will testify that Trump had sex with them in the hopes of currying favor.


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redbeer said:
He never threatened to withhold aid....that is the lie your lovely politicians are telling you....they lie to you.
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Why did he suspend the aid? --> because he wanted to be sure they weren't corrupt --> what corruption? --> not prosecuting Hunter Biden's company among other political issues --> what if they didn't agree to investigate Hunter Biden's company? --> I guess they wouldn't get the aid

But no, Trump wasn't threatening to withhold aid if they didn't investigate the Bidens

Trump thinks we're dumb. Maybe he's not completely wrong.
 
ClaraD said:
Both are presidential candidates and subject to campaign finance laws

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Biden is not a Presidential candidate yet. He hasn't won the primary, and maybe he won't.
 
Mycroft said:
You should probably be asking the DOJ Criminal Division. They are the ones who ruled the campaign finance violation allegations in that concocted complaint were NOT campaign violations.
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You talking about the same DOJ run by Trump butt boy Barr? :lamo

the independent Chairwoman of the FEC disagrees.
 
BrotherFease said:
I am asking you, how is asking for dirt on Biden NOT a campaign finance violation. Can you provide any counter point?
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Per the law you posted, it's the doing, not the asking, that is illegal.
 
redbeer said:
He did not ask for help on a political opponent, but asked when Joe Biden was VP to check into the firing of a prosecutor with the threat of withholding millions of dollars, which Joe actually did. That is a crime, is it not?
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No, not a crime. Biden was acting at the direction of President Obama, who among many other European leaders wanted the Prosecutor General removed for corruption.

And FYI, there was no ongoing investigation into Burisma at the time. Total lie made up by right propaganda mills.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Why did he suspend the aid? --> because he wanted to be sure they weren't corrupt --> what corruption? --> not prosecuting Hunter Biden's company among other political issues --> what if they didn't agree to investigate Hunter Biden's company? --> I guess they wouldn't get the aid

But no, Trump wasn't threatening to withhold aid if they didn't investigate the Bidens

Trump thinks we're dumb. Maybe he's not completely wrong.
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whether he suspended the aid for that reason has not been proven as yet. he asked the Ukraine to INVESTIGATE possible corruption, not give him dirt or prosecuting anything.
 
BrotherFease said:
I have the law right here:

52 U.S. Code SS 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute



It's pretty clear here. Trump asking a foreign government information on a political opponent is against the law. Your rebuttal is what?

You tell me why I am wrong. Keep in mind, I am a registered Republican and vote Republican most of the time and pulled the lever for him in 2016. So no he's a partisan here.

If you're going to argue, it's not really an "other thing of value", what in the world constitutes as "other thing of value"?

Also this is what the Federal Election Chair said back in August via twitter:

‘Let me make something 100% clear’: FEC chair lays down the law on foreign help - POLITICO
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Ah. Why does Trump mention Crowdstrike, like, IMMEDIATELY, after Trump's request to Zelensky? Is that maybe a clue to what was on Trump's mind?
 
OrphanSlug said:
This thread is a waste of time, Trump supporters not only do not care about what he does but are supporting something happening to the whistleblower up to and including what happens to “enemy spies.”

At this point today’s Republicans are no better than those that support dictatorships, which makes sense as they would ‘rather be Russian than Democrats.’
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Considering Trump's clear admiration for dictators, is it any surprise they don't care? If the 'president' does it, that's obviously not a problem; can you imagine the screeching and whining if this was Obama we were discussing? No double standards with conservatives, nope.
 
Hypothetical said:
whether he suspended the aid for that reason has not been proven as yet. he asked the Ukraine to INVESTIGATE possible corruption, not give him dirt or prosecuting anything.
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What if the investigated and found nothing, would Trump be happy with that? You don't know. I don't know. The Ukrainians don't know. The safest thing for them to do is make stuff up if they can't find anything. That would be guaranteed to make Trump happy and keep the aid flowing. The survival of their country is at stake.
 
Hypothetical said:
whether he suspended the aid for that reason has not been proven as yet. he asked the Ukraine to INVESTIGATE possible corruption, not give him dirt or prosecuting anything.
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Hahaha! I've read some pitiful excuses, but... Look, the intention behind Trump's call to Zelensky is clear to everyone except Trump's fanboys. It's an obvious political move intended to show Biden in the worst possible light as a political opponent. Sadly for Trump it hasn't worked as intended.
 
snakestretcher said:
Hahaha! I've read some pitiful excuses, but... Look, the intention behind Trump's call to Zelensky is clear to everyone except Trump's fanboys. It's an obvious political move intended to show Biden in the worst possible light as a political opponent. Sadly for Trump it hasn't worked as intended.
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Biden’s the idiot that highlighted his own stupidity by bragging on camera about getting Shokin fired by withholding funds.

....Crowdstrike was “the favor”...look it up
 
snakestretcher said:
Why would I? That whole Crowdstrike thing has been effectively debunked.
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Barr has open investigation looking into the start of RussiaGate...media claims its debunked Barr hasn’t made any such claim
 
Trump said:
Biden’s the idiot that highlighted his own stupidity by bragging on camera about getting Shokin fired by withholding funds.

....Crowdstrike was “the favor”...look it up
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So Biden got this got fired to protect his son. Then he openly bragged about it? Does that make any sense?

If you did something corrupt to help your son, would you openly brag about it?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
So Biden got this got fired to protect his son. Then he openly bragged about it? Does that make any sense?

If you did something corrupt to help your son, would you openly brag about it?
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Me...I wouldn't openly brag about getting another country's Prosecutor fired by threatening to withhold funds even IF my son didn't have a financial stake in decision.

Biden was never gonna be the Dems nominee anyway.
 
Trump said:
Me...I wouldn't openly brag about getting another country's Prosecutor fired by threatening to withhold funds even IF my son didn't have a financial stake in decision.

Biden was never gonna be the Dems nominee anyway.
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In other words, Biden's behavior doesn't fit your conspiracy theory.

Moreover, it's true that Biden's son did have a financial stake but it's also true that removing the prosecutor who refused to investigate made it more likely that his son's company would be investigated. Do you deny this?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
In other words, Biden's behavior doesn't fit your conspiracy theory.

Moreover, it's true that Biden's son did have a financial stake but it's also true that removing the prosecutor who refused to investigate made it more likely that his son's company would be investigated. Do you deny this?
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court records reveal Burisma was under investigation and court records reveal Shokin was targeted and slandered as bad prosecutor

look it up...Hunter Biden's law firm admitted it in court filings
 
If Trump's mild comment is against the law, how much more using a foreign intelligence agent to ply the Russians for dirt on a political opponent in order to wreck his campaign and then using said false information to get FISA warrants? If Trump committed a quid pro quo, how much more and obviously did Biden do it in Ukraine?
 
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