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Pete Buttigieg's father was a Marxist professor who lauded the Communist Manifesto

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smallvoice said:
He hasn't said enough to know where he stands, and unless he completely repudiates his father's position, we can only believe that he agrees with his father, just like the rest of us who respect and admire our fathers.
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Yawn. Wrong, and laughably so. You simply need a reason to hate him, so you'll rationalize anything.
 
smallvoice said:
He hasn't said enough to know where he stands, and unless he completely repudiates his father's position, we can only believe that he agrees with his father, just like the rest of us who respect and admire our fathers.
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Someone wise once said, 'assumption is the mother of all ****ups'. You would do well to take note.
 
bubbabgone said:
The father of Democratic presidential hopeful Pete Buttigieg was a Marxist professor who spoke fondly of the Communist Manifesto and dedicated a significant portion of his academic career to the work of Italian Communist Party founder Antonio Gramsci, an associate of Vladimir Lenin.
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Paul Kengor, a professor at Grove City College and an expert in communism and progressivism, said Buttigieg was among a group of leftist professors who focused on injecting Marxism into the wider culture.
"They’re part of a wider international community of Marxist theorists and academicians with a particular devotion to the writings of the late Italian Marxist theorist Antonio Gramsci, who died over 80 years ago. Gramsci was all about applying Marxist theory to culture and cultural institutions — what is often referred to as a 'long march through the institutions,' such as film, media, and especially education," Kengor told the Washington Examiner.
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Pete Buttigieg's father was a Marxist professor who lauded the Communist Manifesto

Okay okay okay. So pop was a Marxist. That doesn't mean Pete is. Right?
That article says Pete's communications adviser didn't want to talk about how his father influenced his political beliefs or his thoughts on Marxist thinkers.

Pete did say he's a capitalist but that the system needs changes and capitalism is too intertwined with power. I guess he doesn't see that problem with Marxism.

"Buttigieg has called to abolish the Electoral College system, supports a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants in the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, and thinks that climate change is a national security threat."

Could that be Pete's application of Marxist theory using the "'long march through the institutions,' such as film, media, and especially education," that was prescribed by his dad's hero.
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Dont worry. With a name like his, he'll never get elected. :2razz:
 
roughdraft274 said:
Not addressing what I said. He mentioned absolutely nothing about Marxism so you said:
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Now you're trying to pretend like you merely want the question asked. That's very different than just assuming silly crap.[/QUOTE]


Right. I wasn't clear. I didn't mean to assume. I meant because he didn't make the same claim about power and Marxism.
But before you respond that he wouldn't be expected to because that wasn't what they were talking about, now maybe someone will have a reason to ask him about it.
 
tres borrachos said:
You know Trump Fan Nation is tinkling its collective panties in fear of a candidate when they have to resort to bringing up someone's dead father to not make any kind of point.
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The Left never brought up President Trump's dead father, nor his dead grandfather. Right?
 
He wants a police state fascist-socialist society - like many Democrats now do.
 
bubbabgone said:
Right. I wasn't clear. I didn't mean to assume. I meant because he didn't make the same claim about power and Marxism.
But before you respond that he wouldn't be expected to because that wasn't what they were talking about, now maybe someone will have a reason to ask him about it.
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Not a very good reason to ask. But I'm sure they will, and I'm very sure he will describe many of the problems with Marxism.

You should really try to be more clever about stuff like this. It's amazingly obvious.
 
PoS said:
Dont worry. With a name like his, he'll never get elected. :2razz:
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I didn't want to bring that up.
Just mentioning he had a father set people off.

Oh God. Imagine if someone mentions that other thing along with his name.
Not me. Nosiree.
 
bubbabgone said:
Right. Since when do parents have any influence on their children. Never heard of such a thing.
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Like I said, assumption is the mother of all ****ups. You have no evidence of any such 'Marxist' influence but, hey, when did that ever prevent right-wing conspiracy rubbish from surfacing-as it is here. Assume whatever you want; I prefer to deal with rational, thinking adults. Thanks for your co-operation.
 
smallvoice said:
He hasn't said enough to know where he stands, and unless he completely repudiates his father's position, we can only believe that he agrees with his father, just like the rest of us who respect and admire our fathers.
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So if my father is conservative I must be as well? Your position doesn't seem to well thought out.

Because it is possible to respect your father and not agree or disagree with him absolutely.

But it looks like its all y'all could come up with ao have fun with that
 
bubbabgone said:
I didn't want to bring that up.
Just mentioning he had a father set people off.

Oh God. Imagine if someone mentions that other thing along with his name.
Not me. Nosiree.
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No, it was your absurd assumption that because his father had an interest in Marxism, it follows that junior must therefore have Marxist leanings. That's what sets people off; stupidity and baseless assumption.
 
bubbabgone said:
I didn't want to bring that up.
Just mentioning he had a father set people off.

Oh God. Imagine if someone mentions that other thing along with his name.
Not me. Nosiree.
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Playing the victim now because nobody bought your pathetic argument? Quit whining and improve your game.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Not a very good reason to ask. But I'm sure they will, and I'm very sure he will describe many of the problems with Marxism.

You should really try to be more clever about stuff like this. It's amazingly obvious.
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From what I've seen of him thus far he will he quite prepared to address the subject calmly and rationally.

And the dems have apparently decided to learn how to combat "frames". I've seen both he and beto cleverly avoid the words and phrases associated with conservative framing.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Not a very good reason to ask. But I'm sure they will, and I'm very sure he will describe many of the problems with Marxism.

You should really try to be more clever about stuff like this. It's amazingly obvious.
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Clever? Me? Not possible.
Asking about a parent's Marxism is a good question given something I called attention to in the OP.
"applying Marxist theory to culture and cultural institutions — what is often referred to as a 'long march through the institutions,' such as film, media, and especially education,"
Political office would be another, doncha think?
Certainly worth asking about.
Like it or not, the long march as a tactic is already being employed and not necessarily with Marxism. Haven't you noticed the influence of film, media, and education?
 
snakestretcher said:
Like I said, assumption is the mother of all ****ups. You have no evidence of any such 'Marxist' influence but, hey, when did that ever prevent right-wing conspiracy rubbish from surfacing-as it is here. Assume whatever you want; I prefer to deal with rational, thinking adults. Thanks for your co-operation.
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That's why someone should ask him.
 
snakestretcher said:
No, it was your absurd assumption that because his father had an interest in Marxism, it follows that junior must therefore have Marxist leanings. That's what sets people off; stupidity and baseless assumption.
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My my ... so defensive.
 
This is what Pete has said as it relates to the economy:

“I think the word “socialism” has largely lost its meaning in American politics because it has been used by the right to describe pretty much anything they disagree with. To the extent there’s a conversation around democratic socialism — even that seems to be a little squishy in terms of what it actually means.

I think of myself as progressive. But I also believe in capitalism, but it has to be democratic capitalism.

Part of the problem here is that you have one generation that grew up associating socialism with communism like they’re the same thing, and therefore also assuming that capitalism and democracy were inseparable. I’ve grown up in a time when you can pretty much tell that there’s tension between capitalism and democracy, and negotiating that tension is probably the biggest challenge for America right now.

You don’t have to look that hard to find examples of capitalism without democracy — Russia leaps to mind. And when you have capitalism without democracy, you get crony capitalism and eventually oligarchy. So a healthy capitalist system, working within the rule of law, is the stuff of American growth and can be the stuff of equitable growth. But we don’t have that right now.

The big issue we have right now is regulatory capture.

When you’re in a system where money can equate to power, even more than it has historically, through the ability to purchase influence in politics, what starts to happen is the bigger you are and the more resources you command, the more you can bend the system to your advantage.

I think that structure helps to explain why our society has become more and more unequal. And all sorts of horrible side effects happen when you have that inequality, in addition to it just being morally upsetting. Look at the way that a lot of powerful businesses get their way in Washington. In statehouses it’s even more pronounced, because there’s less scrutiny.

It also leads to much greater concentration and consolidation in our economy. People are usually talking about that right now in the context of the tech sector, but it’s just as big a problem or bigger in the agricultural sector. This is a nation-wide illness that winds up threatening both democracy and capitalism.”
 
Is this supposed to frighten away the voters? Who cares if his dad was a commie? Who cares if he is too? You ain't done nothing worthwhile if you ain't been called a red.
 
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