Perry Leads Republican Field in National Poll

[cpwill]

Amazing isn’t it that we have money for two wars and your claiming that we should screw the elderly that includes more than a few that have fought in a war that has cost our country 58,000 lives and 350,000 casualties.

the wars are a comparative drop in the bucket. what - 137 billion this year? and drawing down? the money we have promised but won't be able to get for Medicare alone comes out to $60 TRILLION, give or take.

could we afford these things in perpetuity? definitely not. does that change the math? no. nobody is trying to screw over the elderly - we are trying to save these programs so that we don't have to screw over our elderly. because right now? the path we're on right now? we become Greece in the 2020's, and we have to start tossing our elderly off public assistance left and right just to stay afloat. we have a very narrow time window to avoid that fate - and that is what we are trying to do. but step #1 is always the same: Admit You Have A Problem.

speaking of math - i would like to see where 58,000 Americans have died in Iraq and Afghanistan?

 

[Conservative]

Well by g-d pick Obama if it boils down to it! We're doomed if anyone of these GOPers get in.. Perry for sure.

Right, we sure don't want personal responsibility back in this country along with a pro growth economic policy. That nanny state looks just too good for you, doesn't it?

 

[Conservative]

So, lets see, you have an insurance policy and pay premiums all your life and the insurance company says: "Sorry, we've run out of money, tough luck." You're okay with this scenario?

Happens all the time in private businesses that go bankrupt. The govt. however prints money which no business can do. Where do you think that surplus in SS over the years comes from?

 

[haymarket]

Where do you think that surplus in SS over the years comes from?

Actually it comes from SS taking in more money than it pays out.

 

[Conservative]

Actually it comes from SS taking in more money than it pays out.

Very good, that is money coming from "contributions" made by individuals that is supposed to go for their retirement insurance. Instead it was put on budget and spent being replaced by an IOU, a piece of paper that is a promise to pay. That IOU has to be funded and since the govt. has already used the money in the general fund how is it going to be funded? It actually looks like the lightbulb is flickering.

 

[haymarket]

Very good, that is money coming from "contributions" made by individuals that is supposed to go for their retirement insurance. Instead it was put on budget and spent being replaced by an IOU, a piece of paper that is a promise to pay. That IOU has to be funded and since the govt. has already used the money in the general fund how is it going to be funded? It actually looks like the lightbulb is flickering.

How has the government already used the money in the general fund decades into the future?

Can you explain that for us please?

Perhaps you can link to the budget of the federal government for the years 2029 or 2036 or 2041 so we can see how that money has already been taken up and used?

 

[Conservative]

How has the government already used the money in the general fund decades into the future?

Can you explain that for us please?

Perhaps you can link to the budget of the federal government for the years 2029 or 2036 or 2041 so we can see how that money has already been taken up and used?

Of course I can explain it but it doesn't matter to you as apparently you will never understand it. You obviously don't understand SS, how it is funded, and where the surplus went so until you learn the basics it doesn't do any good to explain anything to you as you are incapable of understanding it. What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty? The ponzi scheme today called SS will not always have a surplus because the employment and labor force in this country is dropping so where are the IOU funds going to come from?

 

[Conservative]

An Economic winner? Looks good to me and something I know that liberals will love, especially the trial lawyers. Good for Perry!

RUSSELL & GLEASON: Perry's 'loser pays' is an economic winner - Washington Times

 

[Conservative]

Only in America!


BEST LAWYER/INSURANCE STORY OF THE YEAR,
THE DECADE, AND POSSIBLY THE CENTURY.
The place: Charlotte, North Carolina.
A lawyer purchased a box of 24 very rare and expensive cigars, then insured them against, among other things, fire.
Within a month, having smoked his entire stockpile of these great cigars, the lawyer filed a claim against the insurance company.
In his claim, the lawyer stated the cigars were lost ‘in a series of small fires.’
The insurance company refused to pay, citing the obvious reason, that the man had consumed the cigars in the normal fashion.
The lawyer sued and WON!
(Stay with me.)
Delivering the ruling, the judge agreed with the insurance company that the claim was frivolous. The judge stated nevertheless, that the lawyer
held a policy from the company, in which it had warranted that the cigars were insurable and also guaranteed that it would insure them
against fire, without defining what is considered to be unacceptable 'fire' and was obligated to pay the claim.
Rather than endure lengthy and costly appeal process, the insurance company accepted the ruling and paid $15,000 to the lawyer for his
loss of the cigars that perished in the 'fires'.
NOW FOR THE BEST PART...
After the lawyer cashed the check, the insurance company had him arrested on 24 counts of ARSON!!! With his own insurance claim and
testimony from the previous case being used against him, the lawyer was convicted of intentionally burning his insured property and was
sentenced to 24 months in jail and a $24,000 fine.
This true story won First Place in last year's Criminal Lawyers Award contest.
ONLY IN AMERICA ....NO WONDER THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS WE'RE NUTS!

 

[haymarket]

Of course I can explain it but it doesn't matter to you as apparently you will never understand it. You obviously don't understand SS, how it is funded, and where the surplus went so until you learn the basics it doesn't do any good to explain anything to you as you are incapable of understanding it. What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty? The ponzi scheme today called SS will not always have a surplus because the employment and labor force in this country is dropping so where are the IOU funds going to come from?

So you are officially backtracking on your claim that the government has already spent the money for future budgets decades into the future? Progress at last. It looks like your inability to explain the absurd has dawned on even you.

SS is funded through taxes. In the future it will be funded through taxes. What is so difficult about that concept for you to grasp?

 

[Conservative]

So you are officially backtracking on your claim that the government has already spent the money for future budgets decades into the future? Progress at last. It looks like your inability to explain the absurd has dawned on even you.

SS is funded through taxes. In the future it will be funded through taxes. What is so difficult about that concept for you to grasp?

What do you call it when the govt. takes your "contribution" today puts it on budget and spends it if not spending their future obligations to you? Keep digging that hole deeper. It would be a lot easier if you just admitted that you were wrong.

 

[haymarket]

What do you call it when the govt. takes your "contribution" today puts it on budget and spends it if not spending their future obligations to you? Keep digging that hole deeper. It would be a lot easier if you just admitted that you were wrong.

Wrong about what?

 

[Conservative]

Wrong about what?

Wrong about SS, wrong about your support for liberalism. Still cannot admit that your SS "contributions" have been spent

 

[haymarket]

Wrong about SS, wrong about your support for liberalism. Still cannot admit that your SS "contributions" have been spent

Are you blind to the words on the screen that I have written for you? I agree with you that the contributions have been spent. Got that now? I have never said otherwise.

Forget about the Trust Fund.
Forget about arguing about the paper you call IOU's.
Forget about the feds having already spent the surplus.
I get all that and for the purpose of debate am momentarilly willing to proceed on those assumptions. So now tell all of us what you maintian......... when in the foreseeable future, in what year, will the federal government not have taken in enough money to pay Social Security to those who are entitled to it in that year.

 

[Dittohead not!]

here's the problem with that simple statement. "cashing in those IOU's" means "The General Fund Magically Has The Money". but the General Fund is currently running a $1.5 Trillion deficit. where do you anticipate them getting the money?

The same place they will get the money to address that enormous deficit: Spending cuts and tax increases.

Anyone who believes that the federal government can continue to do what it is doing currently is living in a fool's paradise. Real spending cuts, not just slowing the rate of increase, will have to be made. Tax increases, real ones, not just raising taxes on the other guy or cutting taxes and expecting a magic increase in income, will have to be enacted.

Maybe after the election, Congress will begin to face reality. If it doesn't, then this nation is in some real deep doo doo.

 

[Conservative]

Are you blind to the words on the screen that I have written for you? I agree with you that the contributions have been spent. Got that now? I have never said otherwise.

Forget about the Trust Fund.
Forget about arguing about the paper you call IOU's.
Forget about the feds having already spent the surplus.
I get all that and for the purpose of debate am momentarilly willing to proceed on those assumptions. So now tell all of us what you maintian......... when in the foreseeable future, in what year, will the federal government not have taken in enough money to pay Social Security to those who are entitled to it in that year.

What year? Does it matter or is this just another attempt at diversion from the fact that liberalism spends too much money, borrows too much money, and has no comprehension as to how debt is financed thus the cost to the American taxpayers? Keep building that strawman that ignores reality. You really don't want a date, you want a diversion

 

[hazlnut]

I love this photo.



If this idiot Perry gets the nomination, I'm making t-shirts with caption "Fool Me Once"

And "Fool me- Can't get fooled again" on the back.

 

[haymarket]

What year? Does it matter or is this just another attempt at diversion from the fact that liberalism spends too much money, borrows too much money, and has no comprehension as to how debt is financed thus the cost to the American taxpayers? Keep building that strawman that ignores reality. You really don't want a date, you want a diversion

you do not have a date but you do persist in diversion.

I do not want borrowing and I do not want debt. I want things paid for with revenues. For you to ignore this is to do battle with a Frankenstein monster of your own making and of your own perversion.

 

[Conservative]

you do not have a date but you do persist in diversion.

I do not want borrowing and I do not want debt. I want things paid for with revenues. For you to ignore this is to do battle with a Frankenstein monster of your own making and of your own perversion.

Too late, govt. has filled the SS Trust fund with IOU's all because the govt. never saw a dollar that it didn't want to spend all in the name of compassion yet doing nothing but creating dependence. Keep the people stupid and that keeps liberals employed. No dependence, no need for liberals. There isn't enough money to pay for those SS IOU's and you should know that.

 

[dixiesolutions]

My prediction - It will be very close race between Perry and Palin.

The bottom line is that either one can, and will defeat that clueless, useless Obama..... The muslim.

 

[hazlnut]

Too late, govt. has filled the SS Trust fund with IOU's all because the govt. never saw a dollar that it didn't want to spend all in the name of compassion yet doing nothing but creating dependence. Keep the people stupid and that keeps liberals employed. No dependence, no need for liberals. There isn't enough money to pay for those SS IOU's and you should know that.

Amazing.

Those RW talk show hosts can get their people to believe anything.

 

[hazlnut]

My prediction - It will be very close race between Perry and Palin.

The bottom line is that either one can, and will defeat that clueless, useless Obama..... The muslim.

:2funny::2funny::2funny::2funny:

That's a good one!

Clueless indeed!

 

[Conservative]

Amazing.

Those RW talk show hosts can get their people to believe anything.

As usual you show how very poorly informed you are. Obviously you have never looked at the U.S. Budget thus don't understand anything I have posted so you make a fool of yourself by making a post like that. Prove me wrong that the SS fund doesn't have trillions in IOU's?

 

[haymarket]

Too late, govt. has filled the SS Trust fund with IOU's all because the govt. never saw a dollar that it didn't want to spend all in the name of compassion yet doing nothing but creating dependence. Keep the people stupid and that keeps liberals employed. No dependence, no need for liberals. There isn't enough money to pay for those SS IOU's and you should know that.

Is there a more secure investment than a treasury note backed by the full faith and credit of the Government of the United States of America?

 

[hazlnut]

Socialist bastard...