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Pence leaving game "oppression"?

Pence leaving game "oppression"?

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ional-anthem-protest-walkout-colts/744748001/

IMO this is just another example that we don't know what oppression is in the US. It takes no courage or heroism in the US to kneel during the anthem. Nobody's going to be disappearing under mysterious circumstances because of it. Don't get me wrong, I'm really not happy this got re-ignited again and Pence's actions definitely did that but, at the same time, nobody is obligated to support or respect the players protest. As long as those who disagree with the protest are peaceful in their actions then they have the same rights to their own form of speech.

Ok, enough rant, attaching poll.
 
X Factor said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ional-anthem-protest-walkout-colts/744748001/

IMO this is just another example that we don't know what oppression is in the US. It takes no courage or heroism in the US to kneel during the anthem. Nobody's going to be disappearing under mysterious circumstances because of it. Don't get me wrong, I'm really not happy this got re-ignited again and Pence's actions definitely did that but, at the same time, nobody is obligated to support or respect the players protest. As long as those who disagree with the protest are peaceful in their actions then they have the same rights to their own form of speech.

Ok, enough rant, attaching poll.
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Do you mean to consider the physical act of Pence leaving the game as oppression? It's not clear from your post.
 
X Factor said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ional-anthem-protest-walkout-colts/744748001/

IMO this is just another example that we don't know what oppression is in the US. It takes no courage or heroism in the US to kneel during the anthem. Nobody's going to be disappearing under mysterious circumstances because of it. Don't get me wrong, I'm really not happy this got re-ignited again and Pence's actions definitely did that but, at the same time, nobody is obligated to support or respect the players protest. As long as those who disagree with the protest are peaceful in their actions then they have the same rights to their own form of speech.

Ok, enough rant, attaching poll.
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I don't think it's "oppression", but it was clearly an orchestrated political stunt.
 
X Factor said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ional-anthem-protest-walkout-colts/744748001/

IMO this is just another example that we don't know what oppression is in the US. It takes no courage or heroism in the US to kneel during the anthem. Nobody's going to be disappearing under mysterious circumstances because of it. Don't get me wrong, I'm really not happy this got re-ignited again and Pence's actions definitely did that but, at the same time, nobody is obligated to support or respect the players protest. As long as those who disagree with the protest are peaceful in their actions then they have the same rights to their own form of speech.

Ok, enough rant, attaching poll.
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I dunno man, I felt pretty oppressed by that.
 
Oppression + Publicly Funded Transportation = Hypocrisy
 
I said no, because him leaving is his choice, and does not alter the Constitutional right to protest in any way... He has every right to protest in his own way as do the guys taking a knee.

I agree with others, though, I'm not sure you, as tax payers, should have to pay for his protest. That seems a little off...
 
Ikari said:
I don't think it's "oppression", but it was clearly an orchestrated political stunt.
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Anything a politician does, by it's very nature is a political stunt.

Pence has been to a public event before and didn't walk out... wasn't it that play, where the actors deliberately called him out? Maybe the guy actually wanted to see the game, but decided to leave if he saw some kneeling... win win.... if they didn't kneel, he got to enjoy the game, if they did, he got to do his little stunt.
 
X Factor said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ional-anthem-protest-walkout-colts/744748001/

IMO this is just another example that we don't know what oppression is in the US. It takes no courage or heroism in the US to kneel during the anthem. Nobody's going to be disappearing under mysterious circumstances because of it. Don't get me wrong, I'm really not happy this got re-ignited again and Pence's actions definitely did that but, at the same time, nobody is obligated to support or respect the players protest. As long as those who disagree with the protest are peaceful in their actions then they have the same rights to their own form of speech.

Ok, enough rant, attaching poll.
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I don't understand the term "oppression" being used in this context.

It seems that Pence wanted to help keep Trump's manufactured outrage going, so he pulled a stunt.

Why are the POTUS and VP sowing discord and rabble rousing? Nothing better to do?
 
I am all for protest but showing total disrespect for the nation that gives you the right to protest is like biting the hand that feeds you. Besides WTF are they protesting?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Do you mean to consider the physical act of Pence leaving the game as oppression? It's not clear from your post.
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It's pretty clear in the thread title. Is the physical act of Pence's departure a symbolic act of attempted oppression?
 
Pence's act was a protest, and he had as much right to do that as the athletes had to make their protest.

I don't think it especially reflects well on him to react in that way in the face of a silent and peaceful protest, but he had that right just the same.
 
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No but it was definitely heavy-handed, obvious manipulation of the VP and as such, really disrespectful of him (and the American people, believing we'd fall for it, but this attitude comes from the prez daily).
 
As I said in another similar thread, Pence leaving was a stunt choreographed in advance with Trump.

Red meat for the Trump/Pence 'base' and laughably transparent.
 
humbolt said:
It's pretty clear in the thread title. Is the physical act of Pence's departure a symbolic act of attempted oppression?
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Using “oppression,” the word, confused me at least. Had to verify my definition and it is close to the link. So I vote, No.

Oppression | Define Oppression at Dictionary.com

I did not find the action to be cruel, burdensome or unjust, that’s just me.
 
Rexedgar said:
Using “oppression,” the word, confused me at least. Had to verify my definition and it is close to the link. So I vote, No.

Oppression | Define Oppression at Dictionary.com

I did not find the action to be cruel, burdensome or unjust, that’s just me.
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Agreed. Pence is free to leave for whatever reason he chooses. No burden is imposed on others as a result. The game went on regardless, and if any sanction is imposed for the reason Pence stated, it's left to a private organization to impose it.
 
Only Trump would send his VP to pull a PR stunt over something so insignificant. There's so much that needs doing, but the miserable turd finds it necessary to spend energy on NFL protests.
 
humbolt said:
Agreed. Pence is free to leave for whatever reason he chooses. No burden is imposed on others as a result. The game went on regardless, and if any sanction is imposed for the reason Pence stated, it's left to a private organization to impose it.
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After a little more thought, by deciding to visit an NFL game, Pence did ‘burden’ some fans with the added security and procedures. So, if that is what the OP is asking, maybe.................................then he unburdened them and unassed the stadium!:mrgreen:
 
X Factor said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ional-anthem-protest-walkout-colts/744748001/

IMO this is just another example that we don't know what oppression is in the US. It takes no courage or heroism in the US to kneel during the anthem. Nobody's going to be disappearing under mysterious circumstances because of it. Don't get me wrong, I'm really not happy this got re-ignited again and Pence's actions definitely did that but, at the same time, nobody is obligated to support or respect the players protest. As long as those who disagree with the protest are peaceful in their actions then they have the same rights to their own form of speech.

Ok, enough rant, attaching poll.
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It's systematic oppression when a peaceful, respectful, quiet act designed to cast light on systematic racial injustice is met with a political stunt. But rallies of Nazi's literally promoting white supremacy are full of "good people".

It's not that Pence's meaningless stunt was oppression in and of itself, but the widespread acceptance of Pence's behavior by even a plurality of US citizens is certainly indicative of systematic oppression.
 
humbolt said:
It's pretty clear in the thread title. Is the physical act of Pence's departure a symbolic act of attempted oppression?
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I merely asked because the contention that his act could be interpreted as oppression is so profoundly stupid I didn't think any rational adult could actually make it.
 
Only someone with multiple concussions like an NFL player would consider what Pence did oppression. The idiot probably doesn't even know what day it is most of the time.
 
Oh great. Not only was it a dick move on the part of the president, using the VP like that, it was an expensive one:

The price tag for Pence's trip to Indianapolis - CNNPolitics

According to the Air Force, flying a C-32, the model of plane used for Air Force 2, for one hour costs about $30,000. Pence's flight from Las Vegas to Indianapolis Saturday took about three hours and 20 minutes, so it cost about $100,000

Pence then flew from Indianapolis to Los Angeles on Sunday, which took about four hours and 45 minutes, costing about $142,500.

The grand total: about $242,500.
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I don't know if Pense came up with this stunt on his own or in cooperation with the president, but it was a silly bit of political theater. It was designed to rile up the base and keep the controversy going. It was successful in that. Can't have Americans coming together after all. If that happened they might not re-elect Trump.
 
op·pres·sion.

[əˈpreSHən]

NOUN

•prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control:

"a region shattered by oppression and killing"

•the state of being subject to unjust treatment or control

•mental pressure or distress:
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Really hard for me to fit Pence's leaving a game as fitting into any of those categories.
 
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