Pelosi says Trump carried out strike on Iranian commander without authorization and she wants detail

[Mr Person]

No. Because I think such a requirement would be utterly inane. I was happy that Barack Obama killed Osama bin Laden without Congressional approval. I am happy that Donald Trump killed Suleimani without Congressional approval.

The situations are different. The main concern with OBL was a relations blowup since Obama didn't bother seeking their approval (likely due to suspicions someone would let OBL know). The main concern here is that we've taken out an actual high-ranking official in Iran's government.

I'm not going to mourn the guy, but the potential for negative fallout is much higher. What happens if they retaliate by taking out someone like Pompeo? Invasion of Iran? How likely is it that the end result will be all the lost blood and treasure? (And speaking of treasure, we're already borrowing over a trillion a year for his and Bush's tax cuts, in a good economy. A true hot war would add trillions more).

Out of all presidents, I trust Trump the least. He's well known for not having any long-term strategy. I also don't trust him not to escalate where escalation is unnecessary.

So again, **** this Suleimani guy, but this is definitely a more precarious situation than when Obama sent Seal 6 in...





Update: 3,500 more troops sent in.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...3-ac6482c4a92f_story.html?tidr=a_breakingnews

 

[Praxas]

With a good economy and being the incumbent, guess what? The incumbent usually wins.

Yes but USUALLY the incumbent isn't an incompetent 4 year mentality fool that throws tantrums on twitters and lies more than the past two presidents combined like Trump has done.

 

[trixare4kids]

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-107publ40/pdf/PLAW-107publ40.pdf

IN GENERAL.—That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed,or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001,or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons​

We can agree or disagree with the wisdom of issuing the 2001 AUMF. But clearly Obama had the authority to pursue Bin Laden. By what authority did Trump attack Iran on the sovereign soil of a democratic Iraq?

Are you really not aware of the precipitated events which led up to the death of Iran's Qassim Suleimani?

Good grief. :roll:

 

[rhinefire]

A self-confessed and documented draft dodger is in charge of our military. How tragic this is.

 

[jmotivator]

Trump isn't Obama. Any comparison to past Presidents is a fail, because Trump doesn't think and act like a person who comprehends policy.

LOL. Pointing out your utter hypocrisy, that's all.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Trump cares about Trump.

He'll lie about everything that happened and dare any of his underlings to cross him.

 

[CharisRose]

And the evidence for the above is pulled from where?

:lol:

Pulled from a black hole wandering around outer space?

Roseann

 

[Praxas]

Yeah, it kind of sucks, but that has nothing to do with my comment. I don't think that the power the President has aggregated is really good, but they've been grabbing it for some time and now Trump has it. I don't know what authorization he needed for this strike, maybe he did need to notify Congress or something, but generally speaking the President has a lot of leeway with our military.

If anything, Trump has taught us all the presidency has TOO much power and congress needs to get back the power it has advocated to the presidency.

 

[Anthony60]

Trump's WH has more leaks than a submarine screen door.

Then why wasn't this leaked out?

 

[Geoist]

Then why wasn't this leaked out?

Did I say everything leaks?

 

[bradt99]

Yes but USUALLY the incumbent isn't an incompetent 4 year mentality fool that throws tantrums on twitters and lies more than the past two presidents combined like Trump has done.

Okay sure.

 

[Michael Cole]

Leaks? My ass. Nobody thinks Trump kept Democrats in the dark out of concern for leaks. Not even those of you claiming such.

 

[Conservative]

I'm sure they'll be willing to share that intel and all decision-related materials leading up to the strike with appropriate House committees. /s



Also, How long until we until find out Trump was fed intel by Putin on this directly during his Christmas phone call? Putin is in the middle of selling weapons to Iran and meddling in the affairs of Ukraine...

Pelosi says Trump carried out strike on Iranian commander without authorization and she wants details

You people are something else, America was attacked by this animal and the best you can do is attack the Commander in Chief whose role is to protect and defend Americans. There is no question who the despicable people

You people really need to take a civics class as you keep embarrassing yourself with OP's like this one

Thank you President Trump for defending Americans, American interests and our Embassies

 

[Ikari]

If anything, Trump has taught us all the presidency has TOO much power and congress needs to get back the power it has advocated to the presidency.

I mean, I've been saying that since before Trump. I think this is true, and that Congress needs to take back some of its oversight.

 

[noonereal]

I'm sure they'll be willing to share that intel and all decision-related materials leading up to the strike with appropriate House committees. /s



Also, How long until we until find out Trump was fed intel by Putin on this directly during his Christmas phone call? Putin is in the middle of selling weapons to Iran and meddling in the affairs of Ukraine...

Pelosi says Trump carried out strike on Iranian commander without authorization and she wants details

think of the extra cash this will bring Putin as Iran targets middle east oil of it's neighbors and Putin cashes in

 

[Mithros]

Are you really not aware of the precipitated events which led up to the death of Iran's Qassim Suleimani?

Good grief. :roll:

Please let me know which AUMF authorized Trump to attack Iran on Iraqi soil without getting permission from the democratically elected government of Iraq. Or baring that, where in the constitution does the president have that authority?

The 2001 and 2002 AUMF's were far too broad and should both be repealed. But I do not see how either of them can be read to attack troops of a sovereign nation that is recognized by the US on the soil of another sovereign nation also recognized by the United States. We're not talking about some tribal lands, this is Baghdad International Airport. You can fly in there commercially.

 

[noonereal]

You people are something else, America was attacked by this animal

this statement is inaccurate

we have been at war with Iran for close to 60 years. Certainly since 1979.

and, we started it, this time too by pulling out of a treaty we had entered into

 

[Cardinal]

Nonsense. Lay off the leftist disinformation blogosphere, all who want nothing more than to see this president fail at everything.
US urges restraint from North Korea but says military is ready if needed - Pacific - Stripes

That doesn’t address Trump’s failure on North Korea. It’s also doesn’t address the fact that trump doesn’t have long term goals or policies, and shouldn’t be making large decisions involving the military overseas.

The decision to kill Suleimani will have unforeseen and likely negative consequences because trump hasn’t thought about them.

 

[Cardinal]

LOL. Pointing out your utter hypocrisy, that's all.

All you’re demonstrating is that you don’t know what “hypocrisy” means. It’s not possible to discuss anything with you because you don’t know what words mean.

 

[VanceMack]

Leftists are acting like this was some poor innocent widdle man in a totally unprovoked attacked by the bad orange man. Leftists are demonstrating exactly why people like Schumer and Pelosi were not consulted before the attack in response to the Iranian scumbags attacking our embassy.

 

[Mithros]

That doesn’t address Trump’s failure on North Korea. It’s also doesn’t address the fact that trump doesn’t have long term goals or policies, and shouldn’t be making large decisions involving the military overseas.

The decision to kill Suleimani will have unforeseen and likely negative consequences because trump hasn’t thought about them.

I'd hesitate to call them unforeseen. IMO the consequences are pretty straightforward. Iran will have to retaliate. So far we've had proxy conflicts, this changes the rules. I would assume that Iran now has to directly target US troops. And I'd expect that Iran views it to be absolutely necessary to quickly become a nuclear power.

If history teaches you anything its that war is like fire. It's really easy to start but hard to put out. Mostly it only ends after it burns itself out.

 

[bradt99]

Democrats cry when someone from Iran gets killed, but when it's Americans they don't care.

 

[Cardinal]

I'd hesitate to call them unforeseen. IMO the consequences are pretty straightforward. Iran will have to retaliate. So far we've had proxy conflicts, this changes the rules. I would assume that Iran now has to directly target US troops. And I'd expect that Iran views it to be absolutely necessary to quickly become a nuclear power.

If history teaches you anything its that war is like fire. It's really easy to start but hard to put out. Mostly it only ends after it burns itself out.

The long term consequence is of course that Iran is going to fast track a nuclear arsenal to next week (if they have the choice). The short term consequences? Obviously there will be those, but I can’t say what form those will take. And the problem is, neither does Trump. And the even bigger problem is, Trump isn’t thinking about them right now.

 

[ludin]

I'm sure they'll be willing to share that intel and all decision-related materials leading up to the strike with appropriate House committees. /s



Also, How long until we until find out Trump was fed intel by Putin on this directly during his Christmas phone call? Putin is in the middle of selling weapons to Iran and meddling in the affairs of Ukraine...

Pelosi says Trump carried out strike on Iranian commander without authorization and she wants details

If i was trump i would tell pelosi to go stick it up her ass.
He doesn't owe her anything except the report.

he doesn't need authorization from her.

 

[Cardinal]

The Republican philosophy of overseas military actions has been reduced to “**** Pelosi.”

Can it get any dumber? And the answer is, “It can always get dumber.”