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Pelosi directs House Democrats to proceed with articles of impeachment against Trump

Well, at least you think so.

It's cute watching you embarrass yourself. Care to do it again? I know you can, I have faith in you!
 
No more than you are.

Ahh, the "I know you are but what am I" defense, the last attempt by someone who has already lost but doesn't possess the capacity to realize it. Of course I could be wrong. This could be the "I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say sticks to you" defense. I tend to get the two confused when having a discussion with someone who lacks rational thinking, logic and an ounce of reason.

I'm off to bed, enjoy the rest of your evening being oblivious to the world around you.
 


Sondland flat out said that Trump told him directly there was no QPQ. His testimony under questioning refuted his opening statement. Did you turn off the TV after the opening statement and just ignore the rest?

You are right about one thing though, there doesn't have to be QPQ in order to impeach. However, since that was the justification for this entire charade after Russian collusion and the entire Mueller Report debacle fell flat on it's face, anyone who isn't a partisan shill would have to wonder why the dems keep making stuff up and why the liberal press is complicit in all of this.

So unless you are the only person on the planet that can highlight where QPQ happened from the transcript, perhaps it's time to sit back and realize how ignorant the words you type out on your keyboard actually come across.

As an aside, you're not doing yourself any favors by claiming that anyone who supports the President is in a cult. This only makes you look worse than the average person with TDS.

You can keep trying to make a valid point, but you've struck out every attempt thus far. Perhaps it's time to move along and try something more your speed. Checkers perhaps?

Man, just stop.

If you want to make the argument that what Trump did was crooked, but not worthy of impeachment, then that's a perfectly legit position to take. One can also make the argument that other presidents have engaged in schemes and simply not been caught.

But the idea that Trump didn't try to use the powers and influence of the presidency to get his politicals rivals investigated is just a flat out gaslighting of reality. He clearly did and it all got exposed.
 
Such a good Catholic... implying the POTUS to be Putin asset because "all roads lead to Russia". Do you feel the love?

There's a well known quote "Religion is the last refuge of a scoundrel".
 
Man, just stop.

If you want to make the argument that what Trump did was crooked, but not worthy of impeachment, then that's a perfectly legit position to take. One can also make the argument that other presidents have engaged in schemes and simply not been caught.

But the idea that Trump didn't try to use the powers and influence of the presidency to get his politicals rivals investigated is just a flat out gaslighting of reality. He clearly did and it all got exposed.

Here's your problem with that, it's NOT CLEARLY HE DID....take out the 35% who will support him regardless.....BEFORE the hearings....support for impeachment was hovering around what, 50%? AFTER the hearings....if it was CLEARLY THAT HE DID....you would think that support would get a bump....it did not.

Factor in you have a respected legal scholar who admitted he doesn't like Trump didn't vote for Trump, saying that the case wasn't made.

Factor in the ONLY witnesses that you have, have gone on record saying either, they don't have knowledge of it, they don't have proof of it, or that it's what they think happened, or what they presumed happened.

The ONE witness that says no, there was a qpq and everone knew about it, CLEARLY walked that back under direct questioning, and in his testimony CLEARLY stated that Trump stated he didn't want anything from Ukraine.

Nothing about it is clear....except the 30% of morons on both side who simply digest and regurgitate what their prospect media tells them to.

You have the left saying, it doesn't matter what Trump said, it doesn't matter what Zelensky says, it doesn't matter what anyone says, it was done....but they can't produce a single piece of corroborating evidence to support that. Then they will argue, well the President is obstructing justice, no he's know, he understand that you have to prove him guilty...theoretically, if you can't do that...there's nothing there. So he's fighting the subpoena's...where..IN COURT, where it is supposed to be done.....and that's still not good enough for the left.

You have the right saying, everything is roses and sunshine and he did nothing wrong 100% nothing wrong about it, that's not true either....but there has to be more than anger and a gut feeling to remove a sitting President...but no one will cave on that, it's nauseauting.
 
Sonland also said no one told him there was a QPQ and he just assumed it. So his testimony was Trump said he did not want a QPQ so you have a big nothing burger

He said it and said everyone knew it. His testimony (as others) was completely consistent therewith. No one has contradicted what he has said it and the White House has affirmed it both on the podium and in their absence. And, of course, all this is completely consistent with Trump's MO (see also his accepting and encouraging Russian involvement in 2016 election). Its a clear story. No one has offered a credible story that contradicts such.

If you think otherwise, please explain what the "deliverables" are.

Again, the existence of such elevates the claim, but absence of it is irrelevant.
 
He said it and said everyone knew it. His testimony (as others) was completely consistent therewith. No one has contradicted what he has said it and the White House has affirmed it both on the podium and in their absence. And, of course, all this is completely consistent with Trump's MO (see also his accepting and encouraging Russian involvement in 2016 election). Its a clear story. No one has offered a credible story that contradicts such.

If you think otherwise, please explain what the "deliverables" are.

Again, the existence of such elevates the claim, but absence of it is irrelevant.

Wait....so I can accuse Schiff of embezzlement.....put on a **** load of witnesses who say they think it happened......and then when Schiff doesnt produce anyone who says it doesn't....I can presume he's guilty? Well **** man..why didn't you just say so....
 
I don't watch much CNN, MSNBC, CBS or ABC news, so it's all good. I rarely watch Fox News either FWIW.

Protip: you've already lost. Any retort is a feeble attempt to show that you have anything intelligent to say. So far, you've not said one thing that was accurate at all. But I applaud your effort anyway.

QPQ has already been established. So, looks like conservatives have dwindling options in this debate. You can always keep denying it if you prefer to be perceived as dishonest. Might you try moving the goal posts a little?


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QPQ has already been established. So, looks like conservatives have dwindling options in this debate. You can always keep denying it if you prefer to be perceived as dishonest. Might you try moving the goal posts a little?


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You are using established wrong, unless you think I can accuse you of something, and then just present witnesses who think it happened.....can I do that?
 
Not a single person that testified provided any proof of QPQ, not one. It simply didn't happen. I know that's a hard pill to swallow for those who have hated Trump from the time he announced he was running for POTUS, but it's a pill that you will have to either swallow or spit out.
Do you really believe that? What kind of deluded reality are you in?

When it comes to the QPQ, the fact remains that Trump never raised the question of "corruption" with Zelinsky until Biden announced his campaign. There's also zero evidence Trump has any interest in the Ukrainians investigating anything other than events involving his Democratic opponents, so the idea that the military hold was about some sincere concern about corruption is just not credible.

Sondland testified the WH meeting was conditioned on the Ukraine making a public commitment to investigating the Biden's and the DNC, and that itself is truly corrupt enough on it's own.

Mulvaney's little slip in front of the press was an outright confession, no matter how hard Trump supporters might try to gaslight it and as not meaning what we all clearly heard.

And if all that weren't bad enough, the first reaction of the WH to its knowledge of a WB compliant, was to withhold the compliant, and then release the military aid just one day after it was drafted and Congress began asking questions about Giuliani. Which is like trying to put a TV you just stole back in the department store window when the cops are coming.

There was a QPQ. You can pretend not to see it, but we're not that stupid.
 
All roads DO lead to Russia.

Trump called for the end of the sanctions on Russia.
Trump suggested Russia wasn't responsible for its assassination in Great Britain. When confronted by a journalist, he defended Putin, saying "there are a lot of killers. Do you think our country is so innocent?"
Trump apes Russian talking points about Ukraine hacking the 2016 election, not Russia.
Trump lied about his hotel deal in Russia.
Trump continually showers Putin with praise. He said Putin was "so nice," he called Putin a "strong leader" and said Putin has done "a really great job outsmarting our country." Trump also claimed he'd "get along very well" with Putin--for once he wasn't lying. :roll:
Trump hired Manafort to run his campaign, despite Manafort's decades-long involvement in supporting Moscow-backed politicians in Ukraine, and his close involvement with Russian oligarchs.
During the presidential campaign, Trump broke with US policy and suggested he was OK if Russia kept the Ukrainian territory. He repeated a Kremlin talking point, saying, "The people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were."
Trump called NATO, which directly confronts Russia's expansionist desires, "obsolete."
Trump praised Putin for his campaign victory in March, 2018, even though western observers judged it was not fair. In doing so, Trump gave Putin a legitimacy he didn't deserve.
Trump defended Russia's invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, which America spent years opposing.
Trump wants to let Russia back into the G7.
Trump delayed vital defense funds to Ukraine.

I'm old enough to remember that the GOP used be the "America First" party. Now they spend all day carrying water for Moscow.
 
You are using established wrong, unless you think I can accuse you of something, and then just present witnesses who think it happened.....can I do that?

Find some witnesses that all corroborate each other's stories and a pattern of wrong-doing on my behalf, and then I'll hold back some central figures in the controversy and refuse to testify myself
 
Do you really believe that? What kind of deluded reality are you in?

When it comes to the QPQ, the fact remains that Trump never raised the question of "corruption" with Zelinsky until Biden announced his campaign. There's also zero evidence Trump has any interest in the Ukrainians investigating anything other than events involving his Democratic opponents, so the idea that the military hold was about some sincere concern about corruption is just not credible.

Sondland testified the WH meeting was conditioned on the Ukraine making a public commitment to investigating the Biden's and the DNC, and that itself is truly corrupt enough on it's own.

Mulvaney's little slip in front of the press was an outright confession, no matter how hard Trump supporters might try to gaslight it and as not meaning what we all clearly heard.

And if all that weren't bad enough, the first reaction of the WH to its knowledge of a WB compliant, was to withhold the compliant, and then release the military aid just one day after it was drafted and Congress began asking questions about Giuliani. Which is like trying to put a TV you just stole back in the department store window when the cops are coming.

There was a QPQ. You can pretend not to see it, but we're not that stupid.

Except, there is, why are you ignoring it?
 
Find some witnesses that all corroborate each other's stories and a pattern of wrong-doing on my behalf, and then I'll hold back some central figures in the controversy and refuse to testify myself

Oh that's not a problem, because all my witnesses think you did it.....and no one will believe your denial, because well ****, isn't that what all guilty people do?
 
Here's your problem with that, it's NOT CLEARLY HE DID....take out the 35% who will support him regardless.....BEFORE the hearings....support for impeachment was hovering around what, 50%? AFTER the hearings....if it was CLEARLY THAT HE DID....you would think that support would get a bump....it did not.

Factor in you have a respected legal scholar who admitted he doesn't like Trump didn't vote for Trump, saying that the case wasn't made.

Factor in the ONLY witnesses that you have, have gone on record saying either, they don't have knowledge of it, they don't have proof of it, or that it's what they think happened, or what they presumed happened.

The ONE witness that says no, there was a qpq and everone knew about it, CLEARLY walked that back under direct questioning, and in his testimony CLEARLY stated that Trump stated he didn't want anything from Ukraine.

Nothing about it is clear....except the 30% of morons on both side who simply digest and regurgitate what their prospect media tells them to.

You have the left saying, it doesn't matter what Trump said, it doesn't matter what Zelensky says, it doesn't matter what anyone says, it was done....but they can't produce a single piece of corroborating evidence to support that. Then they will argue, well the President is obstructing justice, no he's know, he understand that you have to prove him guilty...theoretically, if you can't do that...there's nothing there. So he's fighting the subpoena's...where..IN COURT, where it is supposed to be done.....and that's still not good enough for the left.

You have the right saying, everything is roses and sunshine and he did nothing wrong 100% nothing wrong about it, that's not true either....but there has to be more than anger and a gut feeling to remove a sitting President...but no one will cave on that, it's nauseauting.
Let's just say there wasn't a QPQ.

Trump still tried to direct a foreign leader to open political based investigations into his rivals, so that he could undermine their electoral chances. That's not acceptable and it's also illegal, and it's all on an admitted WH transcript for us all to see.

If you say that's not impeachable, then prepare for the next Democrat in the WH to open political investigations of Republicans when they're in power.
 
Let's just say there wasn't a QPQ.

Trump still tried to direct a foreign leader to open political based investigations into his rivals, so that he could undermine their electoral chances. That's not acceptable and it's also illegal, and it's all on an admitted WH transcript for us all to see.

If you say that's not impeachable, then prepare for the next Democrat in the WH to open political investigations of Republicans when they're in power.

I think the Democrats are focusing on the wrong thing, they have a slam dunk with the China comment, but they wasted 3 weeks of time and energy and couldn't produce a single witness who could provide any evidence that Trump "tried to direct a foreign leader to open political based investigations"

Question for you, if Trump had said Burisma, find out what happened for me, is there a problem? If so...why?
 
Except, there is, why are you ignoring it?
No, there isn't.

There's a mountain of evidence that Trump was conditioning WH meetings and military aid on the Ukrainians opening investigations.

It's all in the public record. You can keep sticking your head in the sand and arguing that black is white, and that something isn't real until you say it's real all you want. It won't effect what is the real world, where actual facts and evidence don't change.
 
Oh that's not a problem, because all my witnesses think you did it.....and no one will believe your denial, because well ****, isn't that what all guilty people do?

If it's true that I ate a bowl of soup today. And you find the chef, the cashier, 2 peers, that all say I ate soup today. And I show you the pants that I tried to scrub the soup stain out of but, it's clearly there. And then you get all those people under oath saying I ate the soup today. But, I'm holding back my mother and my teacher who refuse to go under oath and say that I never ate any soup today. What do you want to bet I ate some soup today?
 
No, there isn't.

There's a mountain of evidence that Trump was conditioning WH meetings and military aid on the Ukrainians opening investigations.

It's all in the public record. You can keep sticking your head in the sand and arguing that black is white, and that something isn't real until you say it's real all you want. It won't effect what is the real world, where actual facts and evidence don't change.

Tell me again how there is no history of Trump believing Ukraine was corrupt? This is from THREE WITNESSES'S TESTIMONIES.

"2. President Trump has a deep-seated, genuine, and reasonable skepticism of
Ukraine due to its history of pervasive corruption.
Multiple Democrat witnesses offered firsthand testimony of President Trump’s skeptical
view of Ukraine, as far back as September 2017. Ambassador Volker explained: “President
Trump demonstrated that he had a very deeply rooted negative view of Ukraine based on past
corruption. And that’s a reasonable position. Most people who would know anything about
Ukraine would think that.”112 He elaborated that the President’s concern about Ukraine was
genuine,113 and that this concern contributed to a delay in the meeting with President Zelensky.
He explained:

107 E.U.-Ukraine Ass’n Agreement, art. 14, Mar. 21, 2014, 57 Off. J. of the E.U. L161/3 (“In their cooperation on
justice, freedom and security, the Parties shall attach particular importance to the consolidation of the rule of law
and the reinforcement of institutions at all levels in the areas of administration in general and law enforcement and
the administration of justice in particular. Cooperation will, in particular, aim at strengthening the judiciary,
improving its efficiency, safeguarding its independence and impartiality, and combating corruption. Respect for
human rights and fundamental freedoms will guide all cooperation on justice, freedom and security.”).
108 Kent deposition, supra note 65 at 105, 151.
109 Taylor deposition, supra note 47, at 86.
110 Volker transcribed interview, supra note 60, at 76.
111 Id. at 148-49.
112 Id. at 30.
113 Id. at 295.
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So the issue as I understood it was this deep-rooted, skeptical view
of Ukraine, a negative view of Ukraine, preexisting 2019, you know,
going back. When I started this, I had one other meeting with
President Trump and [then-Ukrainian] President Poroshenko. It was
in September of 2017. And at that time he had a very skeptical view
of Ukraine. So I know he had a very deep-rooted skeptical view.
And my understanding at the time was that even though he agreed
in the [May23] meeting that we had with him, say, okay, I’ll invite
him, he didn’t really want to do it. And that’s why the meeting kept
being delayed and delayed. 114
Other testimony confirms Ambassador Volker’s statements. Former U.S. Ambassador to
Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch confirmed the President’s skepticism, saying that she observed it
during President Trump’s meeting with President Poroshenko in September 2017.115 She
testified:
Q. Were you aware of the President’s deep-rooted skepticism about
Ukraine’s business environment?
A. Yes.
Q. And what did you know about that?
A. That he—I mean, he shared that concern directly with President
Poroshenko in their first meeting in the Oval Office.116
Dr. Fiona Hill, NSC Senior Director for Europe, also testified that President Trump was “quite
publicly” skeptical of Ukraine and that “everyone has expressed great concerns about corruption
in Ukraine.”117 Catherine Croft, a former NSC director, similarly attested to President’s Trump
skepticism when she staffed President Trump for two Ukraine matters in 2017, explaining:
“Throughout both, I heard, directly and indirectly, President Trump described Ukraine as a country."
 
I think the Democrats are focusing on the wrong thing, they have a slam dunk with the China comment, but they wasted 3 weeks of time and energy and couldn't produce a single witness who could provide any evidence that Trump "tried to direct a foreign leader to open political based investigations"[
What planet are you on? There's a transcript where he says it. :lamo

Question for you, if Trump had said Burisma, find out what happened for me, is there a problem? If so...why?
Question for you: If the next Democratic president asks various foreign leaders to investigate Trump hotels in the country, would you have a problem with that? Just imagine Biden asking the president of Iceland to look into the Bayrock group and Trump children, and tell me Republicans wouldn't scream bloody murder for impeachment. :rolleyes:

Don't ask us to tolerate things from your side that you'd never tolerate from ours.
 
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Oh that's not a problem, because all my witnesses think you did it.....and no one will believe your denial, because well ****, isn't that what all guilty people do?

Most suspects don't get to tell the cops to **** off with their search warrants or subpoenas.

So there isn't really anything to compare trumps actions to.
 
If it's true that I ate a bowl of soup today. And you find the chef, the cashier, 2 peers, that all say I ate soup today. And I show you the pants that I tried to scrub the soup stain out of but, it's clearly there. And then you get all those people under oath saying I ate the soup today. But, I'm holding back my mother and my teacher who refuse to go under oath and say that I never ate any soup today. What do you want to bet I ate some soup today?

Absolutely, now let's change that up,

Let's say you embezzled money, I've got 13 witnesses that think you did it, believe you did it, but not one of them has any proof you did it, and when asked directly if they have knowledge of you doing it, they say no.

You are saying that it's perfectly fine to assume because you don't have any witnesses say you didn't do it.....that you actually did, and we can lock you up, right?
 
Most suspects don't get to tell the cops to **** off with their search warrants or subpoenas.

So there isn't really anything to compare trumps actions to.

LMAO and with that asinine comment, I'm going to bed,
 
I think the Democrats are focusing on the wrong thing, they have a slam dunk with the China comment, but they wasted 3 weeks of time and energy and couldn't produce a single witness who could provide any evidence that Trump "tried to direct a foreign leader to open political based investigations"[/QUOTE]
What planet are you on? There's a transcript where says it. :lamo


Question for you: If the next Democratic president asks various foreign leaders to investigate Trump hotels in the country, would you have a problem with that? Just imagine Biden asking the president of Iceland to look into the Bayrock group and Trump children, and tell me Republicans wouldn't scream bloody murder for impeachment. :rolleyes:

Don't ask us to tolerate things from your side that you'd never tolerate from ours.

Really? The transcript says that Trump asked for an investigation into Biden? Because...I'm pretty damn sure he ended it with....whatever you can do.....

That's pretty ****ing open ended for a direct demand......I mean ****, I would think If I wanted something that badly....I wouldn't leave it to chance that whatever they could do..is nothing.
 
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