'Pay-to-play' at Clinton State Department exposed in new emails, watchdog says

[PeteEU]

The link has already been posted, did you not read all the posts??

Once again: http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-clinton-emails-uncovered-reveal-additional-mishandling-classified-information/

Thank you. Link does not work, but there is enough to find the actual source.

However, lets take a look at this to see if they even remotely hold water.

The first thing that springs out, is the lack of "classified" material. In fact the DoS declassified it to have it then be put as confidential by the DoS of Trump? hmmz. So it is not classified, but confidential. Huge difference and fits into all other reports on the subject. That almost all supposedly classified information was confidential and not classified... a significant difference.

And back to the JW accusations.. err every single example I click on is redacted. All they have is that an email was sent, but zero proof that there was classified material in said email.

The only thing I can see from the press release, is that they continue to push the "unsecure email", which is bogus... push it over and over and over again. The email server was secure. It was no AOL account, which btw your vice President has been using for actual classified material while he was dictator of Indiana... ups!

And how do we know that JW are hacks?

On March 21, 2012, Clinton received a memo from State Department officials Joseph Yun and Derek Mitchell marked “Sensitive But Unclassified” and sent to Abedin’s unsecure email account. It contained classified information about elections in Burma.

The freaking email was marked "Sensitive but UNCLASSIFIED!" and yet JW claims it had classified information.. which conveniently is redacted by the new DoS under Trump.

It also has abundant additional proof of multiple classified emails being sent on her unprotected basement server system.

It was not unprotected. Unprotected means any idiot could walk in and steal stuff. That is not the case. It might not have been 100% secure, but anyone working in the industry, no system is that. And no, that does not justify the fact that Clinton was stupid enough to listen to a bunch of nerds about IT, instead of using the mind numbing slow government IT system.

 

[iliveonramen]

You voted for a corrupt, conniving, bitch. Pay for play happened, and there enough evidence now.

Where's the evidence? Would be nice to see the emails that list show the pay to play in action

 

[Linc]

You voted for a corrupt, conniving, bitch. Pay for play happened, and there enough evidence now.

How's Donald's romance going with Chuck and Nancy?

Have you seen the tape of Breitbart alt-rightists burning MAGA hats ?

 

[Praxas]

Actually, he did not "admit" to walking in on underage contestants. The pageant he mentioned on Stern's show was the Miss USA pageant and all the women must be over 18.

He mentioned he did it multiple times. Not just the miss USA pageant.

 

[Gill]

He mentioned he did it multiple times. Not just the miss USA pageant.

The Miss USA and the Miss Universe pageants, NOT the Miss Teen USA pageant.

If you have proof otherwise, I'd be glad to look at it.

 

[Gill]

The first thing that springs out, is the lack of "classified" material. In fact the DoS declassified it to have it then be put as confidential by the DoS of Trump? hmmz. So it is not classified, but confidential. Huge difference and fits into all other reports on the subject. That almost all supposedly classified information was confidential and not classified... a significant difference.

And back to the JW accusations.. err every single example I click on is redacted. All they have is that an email was sent, but zero proof that there was classified material in said email.

Why do you think the material was redacted? There are nine reasons material can be redacted and reading over some of the emails, it's hard to imagine that many of these fit those nine reasons?

Do you think computer passwords to State Department computer systems and servers should be sent over non-secure computer networks?

 

[American]

How's Donald's romance going with Chuck and Nancy?

Have you seen the tape of Breitbart alt-rightists burning MAGA hats ?

Romance? :roll:

 

[PeteEU]

Why do you think the material was redacted? There are nine reasons material can be redacted and reading over some of the emails, it's hard to imagine that many of these fit those nine reasons?

What are the 9 reasons? We know from the investigations into the matter.. most of them by Republicans, that the "classified" material were in fact just confidential and most of that was put as confidential as not to embarrass US relations with the countries involved.

So again, what 9 reasons can things be redacted.. even stuff that clearly states confidential not classified?

Do you think computer passwords to State Department computer systems and servers should be sent over non-secure computer networks?

Are they connected to the internet.. then they are sent over the "non-secure computer networks". It all comes down to encryption.

 

[Praxas]

The Miss USA and the Miss Universe pageants, NOT the Miss Teen USA pageant.

If you have proof otherwise, I'd be glad to look at it.

he didnt distinguish between them and here you go:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto..._teen_girls_in_the_dressing_room_pageant.html

 

[Gill]

What are the 9 reasons? We know from the investigations into the matter.. most of them by Republicans, that the "classified" material were in fact just confidential and most of that was put as confidential as not to embarrass US relations with the countries involved.

So again, what 9 reasons can things be redacted.. even stuff that clearly states confidential not classified?

Actually, it doesn't really matter. The documents were marked classified, so it was illegal to transmit them to or from non-secure computers.

The Confidential classification is still classified. It is defined as "material would cause damage or be prejudicial to national security if publicly available." Confidential is the third highest level for classified material, directly under Secret.

Are they connected to the internet.. then they are sent over the "non-secure computer networks". It all comes down to encryption.

Do you think Huma Abedin's home computer, the one she shared with the perv Anthony Weiner, had government level encryption installed on it? I seriously doubt it.

 

[Gill]

he didnt distinguish between them and here you go:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto..._teen_girls_in_the_dressing_room_pageant.html

Sorry, but I'm afraid I might catch something if I go to a Slate web site. Politifact is not much better, but this is what they say, and in this case I'll believe them a lot sooner than I would Slate.

Three days before Kind made his statement, CNN reported on comments Trump has made about women to radio talk show host Howard Stern over the years. In a 2005 interview, Trump talked about walking in on naked contestants -- but that was in response to a discussion about the Miss USA and Miss Universe pageants, whose contestants are adults.

 

[PeteEU]

Actually, it doesn't really matter. The documents were marked classified, so it was illegal to transmit them to or from non-secure computers.

God damnit.. get your classifications right. They were classified as confidential. Confidential is every single government document until they are either classified more or unclassified.

The Confidential classification is still classified.

No it is confidential.

It is defined as "material would cause damage or be prejudicial to national security if publicly available." Confidential is the third highest level for classified material, directly under Secret.

Yes, and that damage is in image damage, not someone is gonna die damage. As for confidential... give me a break

1) Code word classifications (deep top secret ****.. not even Trump has this clearance because he is too stupid to have access)
2) Top Secret (even less)
3) Secret (Now we are getting into the 10s of thousands)
4) Confidential (Number of people with this clearance.. the 100s of thousands if not more)
5) Public Trust (Number of people with this clearance... the 10s of millions)
6) Unclassified.

Do you think Huma Abedin's home computer, the one she shared with the perv Anthony Weiner, had government level encryption installed on it? I seriously doubt it.

Ahh now you have something... or not. It was Weiners computer, not hers. And at the time of the forwarding of a few emails, they were not classified but later were judged to have classified information. Also most of the Clinton related emails on Weiners computer were due to back up personal electronic devices, and only a small number were due to manual forwarding.

 

[Objective Voice]

1) Conservative watch dog.
2) Fox News
3) Provide a link to the emails? nope.... what are they hiding?

= fake bull**** as usual and dismissed as such.

What I found interesting is that Judicial Watch combed through thousands of Huma's emails and only pinged on those that were transmitted between the Clinton Foundation and the State Department. Did anyone stop to think that maybe the $250K awarded to the Russian American Foundation, for example, was from a federal grant?

Most of the details outline in the FoxNews report seem to me to just be routine matters the State Department would handle anyway, i.e., expediting VISAs for Cuban business entities or arranging meetings between foreign nationals from Singapore and U.S. officials. Even the donations to the Clinton Foundation or to her political campaign appear to be rather flimsy "pay-to-play" connections as some donations came after the "deal" was done. ( Kinda flies in the face of "pay-to-play" if the payment came after the fact.) Of course, since "pay-to-play" inherently involves a quid pro quo aspect, i.e., "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours," it's easy to see shady business dealings in much of what transpired during Hillary Clinton's tenure at the State Department if that's the sort of thing you're looking for. That said, I won't discount that such back-door dealings didn't take place. I outlined a scenario of how such an arranged could have been hatched between the Clinton's and Huma in a thread on this very subject some time ago. So, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that Bill wouldn't have been funneling "business" Hillary's way through Huma w/the Clinton Foundation cashing in, but you'd really have to prove it beyond aspects of "routine business arrangements".

Sidenote: Funny thing is if folks are so quick to believe underhanded dealings took place with Hillary's State Department and entities foreign and domestic closely linked to the Clinton Foundation, why are you so quick to reject the idea that there might have been collusion between the Trump Campaign and Russian affiliates when the quid pro quo is far more clearly obvious (i.e., Donald Trump's accepting of a meeting a Trump Tower under the pretext of possibly receiving scathing information on Hillary from a Russian operative?).

 

[Fletch]

Sidenote: Funny thing is if folks are so quick to believe underhanded dealings took place with Hillary's State Department and entities foreign and domestic closely linked to the Clinton Foundation, why are you so quick to reject the idea there there might have been collusion between the Trump Campaign and Russian affiliates when the quid pro quo is far more clearly obvious?

I tend to doubt the collusion story simply because 'collusion' was unnecessary. Hacking Podesta and dropping the records off at WikiLeaks doesn't require collusion with anyone. A single person could have done it. Had foreign interference only been possible through inside help, then you might have something. But that isn't true in this case.

 

[Gill]

God damnit.. get your classifications right. They were classified as confidential. Confidential is every single government document until they are either classified more or unclassified.

You actually think "every single government document" is classified confidential??? You clearly don't understand the process.

You can bray all you want that YOU don't believe that a Confidential classification is still classified, but unfortunately for you, the U.S. government does not agree.

(a) National Security Information (hereinafter "classified information") shall be classified at one of the following three levels:
(1) "Top Secret" shall be applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security.
(2) "Secret" shall be applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause serious damage to the national security.
(3) "Confidential" shall be applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause damage to the national security.

Confidential Information The Confidential classification level "shall be applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause damage to the national security." All of the important terms used by the EO to describe the Confidential classification level have been defined earlier in this chapter.
EO 11652 provided no examples of Confidential information. The NSC regulations give no examples for the Confidential classification category other than to state that "it must be reasonably expected that unauthorized disclosure of the [Confidential] material would cause damage to the national security."17 DoD guidance gives the following examples of Confidential information:
The compromise of information that indicates strength of ground, air, and naval forces in the United States and overseas areas; disclosure of technical information used for training, maintenance, and inspection of classified munitions of war; revelation of performance characteristics, test data, design, and production data on munitions of war.18
Earlier DoD guidance gave the following examples of Confidential information:
(1) Operational and battle reports which contain information of value to the enemy.
(2) Intelligence reports.
.
.
.
(4) Information which indicates strength of our ground, air and naval forces in United States and overseas areas, identity or composition of units, or quantity of specific items of equipment pertaining thereto. (A defense classification is normally required, if such information reflects the overall strength figures or quantities of weapons whose characteristics are themselves classified, or additional factors necessitate security protection.)
(5) Unless a higher classification is needed to protect information relating to a particular munition:
(a) Documents and manuals containing technical information used for training, maintenance, and inspection of classified munitions of war.
(b) Research, development, production, and procurement of munitions of war.
(c) Performance characteristics, test data, design, and production data on munitions of war.
(6) Operational and tactical doctrine.
(7) Mobilization plans.

https://fas.org/sgp/library/quist2/chap_7.html

 

[Fearandloathing]

'Pay-to-play' at Clinton State Department exposed in new emails, watchdog says | Fox News

Drip, drip......more stuff keep popping up as more emails are released.

Desperate, desperate, desperate...

who the **** cares anymore what Hillary did? She's an empty vessel, dead career, and old.

But I guess you needed a serious deflection to the growing list of Trump **** ups, investigation, etc. etc.

This affects how many Americans outside of Hillary? Five, nine?

How many Americans does Trump **** over every day? Now he's tearing into London's police, as if the dumb bow hard knew anything about policing.

As long as these Democrat bashing posts continue it means the Trump administration is still sliding into the toilet..

 

[Gill]

Desperate, desperate, desperate...

who the **** cares anymore what Hillary did? She's an empty vessel, dead career, and old.

But I guess you needed a serious deflection to the growing list of Trump **** ups, investigation, etc. etc.

This affects how many Americans outside of Hillary? Five, nine?

How many Americans does Trump **** over every day? Now he's tearing into London's police, as if the dumb bow hard knew anything about policing.

As long as these Democrat bashing posts continue it means the Trump administration is still sliding into the toilet..

Hate to tell you this, but losing an election is not a get out of jail card.

 

[eohrnberger]

You lost me, brother.

You seemed rather surprised that recent emails reveal that Hillary put her SoS office up for auction.
I was chiding you in that this was already a well known fact.
I further applied that 'past behavior is the best indication of future behavior', and had she been elected President, she would have put that office up for auction as well.

Not to worry. It's all good.

 

[ashurbanipal]

Yeah, purely coincidence, but you certainly will never hold Hillary Clinton responsible for that conflict of interest. Donations that pay for access, and Bill's salary.

I certainly would hold her responsible (to the extent I could do so, being that I'm just a private citizen) if there were any evidence of the pay-to-play scheme. But there isn't. What should the state department have done with these requests, which seem like reasonable ones to me. Should they have said "bugger off! You donated to the Clinton Foundation!"

I mean, c'mon.

 

[Fishking]

Nope trump bragged on the Howard stern show on walking in on pageant contestants naked on purpose and those pageants were open to underage girls (14-19). His own bragging words like ***** grabbing are his alone.

You support that in electing trump so that's on you.

Obviously you are lack so much self awareness that you totally missed what was being referred to with making stuff up.

 

[RAMOSS]

I get to point out liberal lies and things you denied as long as I want. And I will.

Well, you know.. there is a certain problem. You can't show that Faux News and Judaical watch are telling the truth.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Hate to tell you this, but losing an election is not a get out of jail card.

As I mentioned, desperate, desperate, desperate for a crowd who is under siege and who don't know the difference between a lie and fact.

I suggest you stop wasting your time trying to win a debate with me.

I'm gone.

 

[Moderate Right]

Friendly reminder. Hillary Clinton is not the president. She really has no power whatsoever, and you don't get to keep trying to make Trump look less ****ty by pretending Hillary Clinton would be worse. Trump's ethics department just eliminated rules preventing white house staff from receving anonymous gifts. So again anything you claim Hillary is guilty of we can prove Trump is doing times 10.

And the reason she is NOT president is because of stuff like this.

 

[Oborosen]

Thank you. I get pissed when the claim of being balanced turns into simply being biased in the another (opposite?) direction - see Sean Hannity. The real deal is that most media bias is simply by omission - the old mind over matter distorted into "If we don't mind then it doesn't matter". The New York Times even seems to boast of its bias by omission policy using "All the news that's fit to print" as its motto causing one to ponder who, exactly, makes that "fit to print" call other than the editorial staff at the (biased?) news outlet.

Obviously, no news organization or media has the staff or bandwidth to cover everything but when some things are rarely (never?) reported and other things are reported whether they are supported by facts in hand or not then one should start to wonder - WTF?

I think that is the main reason I have 13 different news sites that I find passes my bar.
I have FOX & CNN at the top, and then I look through most of the BBC syndicated news before working down and figuring out what was given in its entirety.

An arduous process, but I find it works. Buzzfeed was on that list, until they kept spamming that damn 1/4 & wage gap hysteria crap.

 

[Gill]

As I mentioned, desperate, desperate, desperate for a crowd who is under siege and who don't know the difference between a lie and fact.

I suggest you stop wasting your time trying to win a debate with me.

I'm gone.

Smart move... you're starting to sound like a parrot with a limited vocabulary.