One of the most highly decorated former US Army generals blasts Trump

[Tangmo]

Nobody knows any such thing, whether they are super smart, very important, highly decorated, etc. or not. That whole idea is moronic and has no compelling factual supporting evidence. You only think all our military commanders are stupid enough to think Putin controls Trump. What ridiculous insanity the leftists continue to propagate through lying lips.

Don't get around much as we can plainly see.

What other evidences and proof? You have not posted even the first evidences and proof to support your ridiculous accusation.

Lookout below cause you're standing under a ton of bricks. It's going to burst that bubble you're in.

To hell with the types of democrat controls seditionist leftist loons want to impose on America. Leave Trump alone if you cannot come to grips with the fact that he was elected by American laws and American people you disagree with. Go back outside and howl at the moon for relief like Hillary supporters did when she lost.

A ton of bricks and a piano besides.

To hell with Putin's version of Christianity and to hell with leftist liberal democrat's version of Christianity.

The Lord works in strange ways or didn''t you know. Kindly keep in mind Putin is a Russian ethnic and religious nationalist. To Putin & Co. Americans are the dredges of the earth and will be treated as he believes we deserve. This would be true whether you worship him or not. Trump meanwhile would be rewarded mightily.

 

[marke]

Conservatives chose him as their representative. Then they chose him as their leader. From all I know of American conservatives, in particular from this forum, Trump is the perfect representative of American conservative morals and values.

Trump is doing a pretty good job promoting good policies for all Americans.

 

[marke]

Don't get around much as we can plainly see.
Lookout below cause you're standing under a ton of bricks. It's going to burst that bubble you're in.
A ton of bricks and a piano besides.
The Lord works in strange ways or didn''t you know. Kindly keep in mind Putin is a Russian ethnic and religious nationalist. To Putin & Co. Americans are the dredges of the earth and will be treated as he believes we deserve. This would be true whether you worship him or not. Trump meanwhile would be rewarded mightily.

God will judge who serves Him and who doesn't.

 

[Tangmo]

Gen. (Ret.) Stanley McChrystal earned each of his four stars during the GW Bush and Obama administrations. During the Bush years McChrystal worked closely with the then SecDef Donald Rumsfeld and VP Dick Cheney. In the Bush and Obama years he worked closely the then SecDef Robert Gates and Sen. John McCain.

The general finds Trump to be unacceptable however...


Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal hits Trump as immoral, dishonest

Gen. (Ret.) Stanley McChrystal who commanded US forces in Afghanistan is shown in the country on Tuesday, December 08, 2009. McChrystal retired the next year in disagreements with Potus Obama.


Retired four-star Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal on Sunday criticized President Donald Trump for his approach to the presidency in a wide-ranging interview that saw the former top commander of the US and international forces in Afghanistan label Trump as dishonest and immoral.

“I don’t think he tells the truth,” McChrystal told ABC’s Martha Raddatz on “This Week.” When asked if he thought Trump was immoral, McChrystal responded: “I think he is.”

“What I would ask every American to do is again, stand in front of that mirror and say, what are we about?,” he continued. “Am I really willing to throw away or ignore some of the things that people do that are pretty unacceptable normally just because they accomplish certain other things that we might like. If we want to be governed by someone we wouldn’t do a business deal with because they’re their background is so shady, if we’re willing to do that then that’s in conflict with who I think we are.”

“And so I think it’s necessary in those times to take a stand,” he said.

McChrystal also reacted to James Mattis’ resignation from the Trump administration as Secretary of Defense earlier this month. Mattis wrote in his resignation letter that Trump had the right to a Defense Secretary whose views “better aligned” with the President’s.

“If we have someone who is as selfless and as committed as Jim Mattis, resigns his position walking away from all the responsibility he feels for every service member in our forces and he does so in a public way like that, we ought to stop and say okay, why did he do it?” McChrystal said. “We ought to ask what kind of commander in chief he had that Jim Mattis that the good marine felt he had to walk away.”

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/30/politics/stanley-mcchrystal-trump-dishonest-immoral/index.html


Nor have we heard the last of, from, about James Mattis.

 

[Xelor]

'Embarrassing' and 'entirely inappropriate': One of the most highly decorated former US Army generals blasts Trump's visit with US troops in Iraq

US General (Ret.) Barry McCaffrey



Trump wisely did not visit with the US SOF in Syria that have been fighting ISIS on the ground with the Kurds since 2015. They despise him.

If, by and large, they didn't before, they do now.

 

[Xelor]

how can he miss that target? :shock:


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lol...

 

[Xelor]

Trump is a direct reflection of his supporters. These conservatives who disrespect the people who voluntarily work to ensure our security in exchange for a slat fence that'll never be built is another example of how low they'll sink. How un-American does Trump have to get before his cult demands that he pull his tongue out of Putin's ass?

Yeah...like this...

 

[Grokmaster]

'Embarrassing' and 'entirely inappropriate': One of the most highly decorated former US Army generals blasts Trump's visit with US troops in Iraq

US General (Ret.) Barry McCaffrey



Trump wisely did not visit with the US SOF in Syria that have been fighting ISIS on the ground with the Kurds since 2015. They despise him.

Of course. Another thrown out failed general is attacking the current, non-ankle-grabbing CIC, for VISTING THE TROOPS at CHRISTMAS.+


If ASININE was MONEY, the left would all be billionaires...McCaffery included.

Please quote the troops on the ground Syria, instead of pretending your MADEUP BULL**** speaks for them.

 

[Tangmo]

God will judge who serves Him and who doesn't.

The case is currently being made for God to have a hard time admitting to Heaven either Putin or Trump nevermind both of 'em.

Now that Mattis is out the retired generals and admirals who know the current group of generals and admirals have got off their arses to begin their special operations to salvage the Constitution and thus the country and our society. While Trump has the power of the presidency going for him all he does is abuse it, misuse it and subject it to a foreign hostile power while cozying up to dictators and driving away our allies. All this and much more is done at the expense of our national sovereignty, national security and national stability. Trump's free reign is over. Trump has passed the point of no return with the armed forces chiefs and theater commanders.

 

[Tangmo]

There's more coming from where this comes from...


Retired Gen. McChrystal: Trump's attacks on military service members are 'disturbing'

11/28/18

Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal on Wednesday denounced President Trump's attacks on military service members, including the late Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and retired Adm. William McRaven, who oversaw the operation that killed Osama bin Laden.

"His discussions on Bill McRaven, as well as his previous discussions on John McCain and others have been something that’s deeply disturbing to a lot of thoughtful people,” McChrystal said on ABC's Powerhouse Politics podcast. “The fact that he would take on people in this vitriolic manner, I think is pretty upsetting to people."

"And the fact that he would be dismissive of the kinds of service that people like John McCain and others have given is also disturbing," McChrystal added. "I don’t think it builds up the kind of trust that military people depend upon."

The president earlier this month aggressively criticized McRaven, who over oversaw the 2011 operation that killed bin Laden. After McRaven called Trump's antagonistic relationship with the media a "threat to democracy," Trump accused him of political bias toward Democrats and suggested the U.S. took too long to hunt down bin Laden.

McChrystal told ABC that he does not agree with Trump's recent assertion that no one has been more "with" the military than he has. Trump has frequently pointed to the administration's large budget for the military as a sign of his unflagging support. “[Funding is] not the best metric of whether you support the military," McChrystal said. "The size of the defense budget is not a measure of patriotism or connection with those in service."

“I don’t think that President Trump has developed as deep — a real connection of trust — with the military as perhaps he thinks he has," he added.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/...rumps-attacks-on-military-service-members-are


Trump's world of make believe is beginning to crash down all around him as we enter 2019. His triumph of the will couldn't ever succeed in the USA. It's a matter now of time, people, developments and events going forward.

 

[Tangmo]

Of course. Another thrown out failed general is attacking the current, non-ankle-grabbing CIC, for VISTING THE TROOPS at CHRISTMAS.+


If ASININE was MONEY, the left would all be billionaires...McCaffery included.

Please quote the troops on the ground Syria, instead of pretending your MADEUP BULL**** speaks for them.

False.

Not true.

The statement is wrong, irresponsible, not factual, reckless, so it needs to be corrected. It hereby stands corrected.

 

[marke]

The case is currently being made for God to have a hard time admitting to Heaven either Putin or Trump nevermind both of 'em.

Now that Mattis is out the retired generals and admirals who know the current group of generals and admirals have got off their arses to begin their special operations to salvage the Constitution and thus the country and our society. While Trump has the power of the presidency going for him all he does is abuse it, misuse it and subject it to a foreign hostile power while cozying up to dictators and driving away our allies. All this and much more is done at the expense of our national sovereignty, national security and national stability. Trump's free reign is over. Trump has passed the point of no return with the armed forces chiefs and theater commanders.

Spoken on true harmony with savage barbarian tribal Alynskyite democrat enemies of God bless America.

 

[Tangmo]

Spoken on true harmony with savage barbarian tribal Alynskyite democrat enemies of God bless America.

My post is descriptive and expository containing some analysis of how the most senior military officers have begun to take Trump to task. I am speaking of Pentagon chiefs, theater combatant commanders, active duty and retired four-star officers of the armed forces.

Mattis is out which means all possible restraints are removed from Trump by Trump. Yet Trump has for the past two years positioned himself unwisely, i.e., as the odd man out. So the time and circumstance are present to take Trump to task, to hold Trump accountable to the people. The November election was the green light.

Indeed the Constitution begins with the preamble, "We the People" which established from the beginning the direct line and bond of the people and the armed forces as the unified whole of the nation. The binary choice thus rests with the people and their good judgement in whom the senior officers have their faith and trust to choose the right course. That is, to stand firmly with American values, the Constitution and the rule of law being the first and foremost value system.

 

[Thoreau72]

When POTUS tells the country he wants to end a certain military adventure, what do you expect a career military man to say?

McChrystal is NOT Smedley Butler, never will be.

 

[Rogue Valley]

When POTUS tells the country he wants to end a certain military adventure, what do you expect a career military man to say?

McChrystal is NOT Smedley Butler, never will be.

Telling that Trump does with Syria/Afghanistan what he accused Obama of doing in Iraq ..... the cut and run.

 

[marke]

My post is descriptive and expository containing some analysis of how the most senior military officers have begun to take Trump to task. I am speaking of Pentagon chiefs, theater combatant commanders, active duty and retired four-star officers of the armed forces.

Military rank does not guarantee good understanding in foreign affairs. Look at how many good military officers were dismissed and their opinions discounted by other presidents like Clinton and Obama.

Mattis is out which means all possible restraints are removed from Trump by Trump. Yet Trump has for the past two years positioned himself unwisely, i.e., as the odd man out. So the time and circumstance are present to take Trump to task, to hold Trump accountable to the people. The November election was the green light.

If anyone got a green light in the 2016 election thank God it was not Hillary.

Indeed the Constitution begins with the preamble, "We the People" which established from the beginning the direct line and bond of the people and the armed forces as the unified whole of the nation. The binary choice thus rests with the people and their good judgement in whom the senior officers have their faith and trust to choose the right course. That is, to stand firmly with American values, the Constitution and the rule of law being the first and foremost value system.

We the people chose Trump over Hillary and you people so get over it already.

 

[Thoreau72]

Telling that Trump does with Syria/Afghanistan what he accused Obama of doing in Iraq ..... the cut and run.

Most politicians are pathological liars, or nearly so.

There was never any congressional discussion about getting involved in Syria, so why should there be any discussion about leaving? The federal government is dysfunctional, if the standard is constitutional governance.

The irony is that all the "peaceniks" have now become chicken hawks.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Most politicians are pathological liars, or nearly so. There was never any congressional discussion about getting involved in Syria, so why should there be any discussion about leaving?

Congressional complicity (with the exception of Russia's Congressmen - Rep. Dana Rohrabacher [defeated] and Sen. Rand Paul) in regards to Syria was no secret. Congressmen of both parties felt strongly that a US military presence in Syria was needed to check ISIS, Russia, and Iran in the ME.

The irony is that all the "peaceniks" have now become chicken hawks.

Some have yes, in order to generate/preserve greater security for the homeland.

 

[Tangmo]

Military rank does not guarantee good understanding in foreign affairs. Look at how many good military officers were dismissed and their opinions discounted by other presidents like Clinton and Obama.

General Mark A. Milley the Chief of Staff of Army will be next Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff this year:

General Milley’s education includes:
Bachelor Degree in Political Science from Princeton University, Commissioned via Rotc, 1980
Master Degree from Columbia University in International Relations
Master Degree from the U.S. Naval War College in National Security and Strategic Studies
Gen. Milley is also a graduate of the MIT Seminar XXI National Security Studies Program


General Joseph Dunford is Chairman JCS and formerly Marine Corps Commandant:
B.S. in Physics, Saint Michael's College, Vermont, Commissioned via Rotc in 1977
Master Degree U.S. Army War College
Master Degree in Civil Government, Georgetown University
Master Degree in International Relations from the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy of Tufts University


Admiral John M. Richardson is Chief of Naval Operations
B.S. in Physics, U.S. Naval Academy in 1982, Commissioned 1982
Master Degree, Electrical Engineering, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Master Degree in National Security Strategy from the National War College of the National Defense University, Washington DC


General Paul A. Selva is Vice Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff
Bachelor of Science in Aeronautical Engineering, U.S. Air Force Academy 1980
Master of Science in Management and Human Relations, Abilene Christian University, Abilene, Texas
Air Command and Staff College, Distinguished Graduate
Master of Science in Political Science, Auburn University
National Defense Fellow, Secretary of Defense Strategic Studies Group


One could go on with other joint chiefs and also theater combatant commanders but we get the point. The cumulative education and decades of global experience of the Pentagon chiefs and theater commanders is invaluable and vital to strategic decisions in respect of the national sovereignty, national security; national and global security and stability. A wise man would seek and respect their combined sage counsel and advice.

 

[Athanasius68]

There's more coming from where this comes from...


Retired Gen. McChrystal: Trump's attacks on military service members are 'disturbing'

11/28/18

Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal on Wednesday denounced President Trump's attacks on military service members, including the late Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and retired Adm. William McRaven, who oversaw the operation that killed Osama bin Laden.

"His discussions on Bill McRaven, as well as his previous discussions on John McCain and others have been something that’s deeply disturbing to a lot of thoughtful people,” McChrystal said on ABC's Powerhouse Politics podcast. “The fact that he would take on people in this vitriolic manner, I think is pretty upsetting to people."

"And the fact that he would be dismissive of the kinds of service that people like John McCain and others have given is also disturbing," McChrystal added. "I don’t think it builds up the kind of trust that military people depend upon."

The president earlier this month aggressively criticized McRaven, who over oversaw the 2011 operation that killed bin Laden. After McRaven called Trump's antagonistic relationship with the media a "threat to democracy," Trump accused him of political bias toward Democrats and suggested the U.S. took too long to hunt down bin Laden.

McChrystal told ABC that he does not agree with Trump's recent assertion that no one has been more "with" the military than he has. Trump has frequently pointed to the administration's large budget for the military as a sign of his unflagging support. “[Funding is] not the best metric of whether you support the military," McChrystal said. "The size of the defense budget is not a measure of patriotism or connection with those in service."

“I don’t think that President Trump has developed as deep — a real connection of trust — with the military as perhaps he thinks he has," he added.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/...rumps-attacks-on-military-service-members-are


Trump's world of make believe is beginning to crash down all around him as we enter 2019. His triumph of the will couldn't ever succeed in the USA. It's a matter now of time, people, developments and events going forward.

With Trump, these types of "attacks" are generally responses to criticisms of him by the person who makes the criticism.

 

[Athanasius68]

General Mark A. Milley the Chief of Staff of Army will be next Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff this year:

General Milley’s education includes:
Bachelor Degree in Political Science from Princeton University, Commissioned via Rotc, 1980
Master Degree from Columbia University in International Relations
Master Degree from the U.S. Naval War College in National Security and Strategic Studies
Gen. Milley is also a graduate of the MIT Seminar XXI National Security Studies Program


General Joseph Dunford is Chairman JCS and formerly Marine Corps Commandant:
B.S. in Physics, Saint Michael's College, Vermont, Commissioned via Rotc in 1977
Master Degree U.S. Army War College
Master Degree in Civil Government, Georgetown University
Master Degree in International Relations from the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy of Tufts University


Admiral John M. Richardson is Chief of Naval Operations
B.S. in Physics, U.S. Naval Academy in 1982, Commissioned 1982
Master Degree, Electrical Engineering, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Master Degree in National Security Strategy from the National War College of the National Defense University, Washington DC


General Paul A. Selva is Vice Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff
Bachelor of Science in Aeronautical Engineering, U.S. Air Force Academy 1980
Master of Science in Management and Human Relations, Abilene Christian University, Abilene, Texas
Air Command and Staff College, Distinguished Graduate
Master of Science in Political Science, Auburn University
National Defense Fellow, Secretary of Defense Strategic Studies Group


One could go on with other joint chiefs and also theater combatant commanders but we get the point. The cumulative education and decades of global experience of the Pentagon chiefs and theater commanders is invaluable and vital to strategic decisions in respect of the national sovereignty, national security; national and global security and stability. A wise man would seek and respect their combined sage counsel and advice.

Certainly the advice should be taken and considered.
But they are also not the only people who is available to Trump who are deserving of having their advice considered and taken

 

[marke]

General Mark A. Milley the Chief of Staff of Army will be next Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff this year:

General Milley’s education includes:
Bachelor Degree in Political Science from Princeton University, Commissioned via Rotc, 1980
Master Degree from Columbia University in International Relations
Master Degree from the U.S. Naval War College in National Security and Strategic Studies
Gen. Milley is also a graduate of the MIT Seminar XXI National Security Studies Program


General Joseph Dunford is Chairman JCS and formerly Marine Corps Commandant:
B.S. in Physics, Saint Michael's College, Vermont, Commissioned via Rotc in 1977
Master Degree U.S. Army War College
Master Degree in Civil Government, Georgetown University
Master Degree in International Relations from the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy of Tufts University


Admiral John M. Richardson is Chief of Naval Operations
B.S. in Physics, U.S. Naval Academy in 1982, Commissioned 1982
Master Degree, Electrical Engineering, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Master Degree in National Security Strategy from the National War College of the National Defense University, Washington DC


General Paul A. Selva is Vice Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff
Bachelor of Science in Aeronautical Engineering, U.S. Air Force Academy 1980
Master of Science in Management and Human Relations, Abilene Christian University, Abilene, Texas
Air Command and Staff College, Distinguished Graduate
Master of Science in Political Science, Auburn University
National Defense Fellow, Secretary of Defense Strategic Studies Group


One could go on with other joint chiefs and also theater combatant commanders but we get the point. The cumulative education and decades of global experience of the Pentagon chiefs and theater commanders is invaluable and vital to strategic decisions in respect of the national sovereignty, national security; national and global security and stability. A wise man would seek and respect their combined sage counsel and advice.

Hitler's top generals were also highly educated and decorated. So what? If these 'giants' do not know Jesus they cannot be depended upon to have impeccable judgment. If Trump listens to wise counsel then if that wise counsel contradicts the pompous opinions of unwise men then we should not disrespect Trump for listening to better counsel than that produced by all the unsaved wise men in the whole world.

 

[cabse5]

Dismissed by Trump Fanboys only.

Honorably retired from his spectacularly honorable service in the Army.

Gen. McCaffrey is completely connected to generals and admirals both retired and currently serving. You can dismiss the general retired all you like but he's not dismissed in Washington and in foreign capitals where his statements are taken with an ultimate seriousness. You're in either denial or a state of obliviousness concerning where things are going.

Then McCaffrey is a globalist and sits well with the ruling elite in Washington and the world but not with Trump.

 

[Tangmo]

Certainly the advice should be taken and considered.
But they are also not the only people who is available to Trump who are deserving of having their advice considered and taken

Gen. McCaffrey spoke for armed forces generals and admirals active duty and retired when he said, "President Trump seems for whatever reason to be under the sway of Putin." McCaffrey said Potus Trump is a "danger to the national security."

The departure of James Mattis has marked Trump as passing the point of no return with the military chiefs and theater commanders to include the retired ones. Trump dismisses his own cabinet and Pentagon advisers and counsellors in favor of secret meetings with Putin and Kim Jong Un. Trump admires and responds to foreign tyrants such as Erdogan too among others. Trump does this while he sh!ts on our allies across the globe. Now he wants to turn the ME over to Putin and the ayatollahs in Tehran. Trump's failed dealings with Kim are a disaster while Trump talks about US troops out of SK -- which has implications for US troops in Japan; then there's the South China Sea. Yet Nato remains paramount at Pentagon and to the national security community with UK first and foremost among equals.

Trump's "other people" you reference without naming names are the tyrants and dictators of the world while Trump dismisses his own countrymen and women who are eminently qualified, capable and experienced in the national security and defense of the United States. Trump runs out the principal figures in respect of national sovereignty, stability, and global security and stability. Trump cancels the security clearances of principal figures after his secret meeting with Putin in Helsinki.

The most important strategic factor in Moscow and Beijing is to separate the US from its allies which is exactly what Trump is working at feverishly. Allies globally are a US institution of national security. Allies as an institution are foundational to the US national defense in the modern world. Separating the US from its allies is unacceptable in the absolute to the Pentagon and the national security community. This is true no matter who does it singularly, by serendipity, by happenstance or by intent and coordinated design. And while it is the line Trump cannot cross, Trump has one foot over the line at the present time.

 

[Tangmo]

Then McCaffrey is a globalist and sits well with the ruling elite in Washington and the world but not with Trump.

The alternative to what you call the "ruling elite in Washington" is what can easily be called the ruling elite in Moscow, the ruling elite in Beijing, the ruling elite in Tehran, the ruling elite in Pyongyang. The burden is on you to disprove this. Gen. Mattis has noted many times that these ruling elites and their model of authoritarianism are hellbent on dominating if not controlling the United States. Defeating the United States in fact. I note this is the pursuit of those who -- speaking and acting while ignoring or hiding this context -- have the same goals if not identical goals and purposes. Be advised directly you shall not succeed.