One of the hardest things about being a man

[soylentgreen]

I would have to write a whole book to cover everything on what a man's responsibility is and how men should and shouldn't act. It would be far too long to put on a forum post.

Then lucky me i can sum up what is wrong with your thinking in a few words.

You lack any ability to define what you say.

 

[maquiscat]

I would have to write a whole book to cover everything on what a man's responsibility is and how men should and shouldn't act. It would be far too long to put on a forum post.

Surely you can come up with a few more than "not get in trouble" which is more an adult thing, not a man thing. We're not asking for a comprehensive completely list here, but give up a good dozen or so. You've been dancing around this question all thread with nothing of substance.

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[Helix]

I take it you've never been in a woman's restroom I used to clean them and women's restroom was always dirtiest.

i've been in several. generally, it's a situation in which there's some dude exploding for 20 minutes in a one person, locked men's bathroom, and the one person women's bathroom is right next to it and unoccupied. this is anecdotal, of course, but women's bathrooms that i've been in are generally cleaner. granted, i use the men's bathroom probably 99.9 percent of the time, so my experience there is limited.

 

[CLAX1911]

i've been in several. generally, it's a situation in which there's some dude exploding for 20 minutes in a one person, locked men's bathroom, and the one person women's bathroom is right next to it and unoccupied. this is anecdotal, of course, but women's bathrooms that i've been in are generally cleaner. granted, i use the men's bathroom probably 99.9 percent of the time, so my experience there is limited.

Well when I was cleaning bathrooms for a living I had some lady friends and I asked them cuz all the time I had thought that you sit down to pee how they get piss everywhere and they explain to me they don't put their ass on the toilet. But all the same stuff that you see in the men's room occurs in the women's room.

I think people would be a lot neater in public restrooms if they had to clean them.

 

[Helix]

Well when I was cleaning bathrooms for a living I had some lady friends and I asked them cuz all the time I had thought that you sit down to pee how they get piss everywhere and they explain to me they don't put their ass on the toilet. But all the same stuff that you see in the men's room occurs in the women's room.

I think people would be a lot neater in public restrooms if they had to clean them.

yeah, i agree there.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Surely you can come up with a few more than "not get in trouble" which is more an adult thing, not a man thing. We're not asking for a comprehensive completely list here, but give up a good dozen or so. You've been dancing around this question all thread with nothing of substance.

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As I said for me to list everything would take far too long and would be far too long to put on a forum post but I will give you an example. Men that rape and men that commit sexual assault don't deserve their gender.

 

[maquiscat]

As I said for me to list everything would take far too long and would be far too long to put on a forum post but I will give you an example. Men that rape and men that commit sexual assault don't deserve their gender.

Neither do women who do so deserve the gender of woman. You are not really coming up with anything other than this is a bad thing for humans to do. You are claiming gender specificity on things that do not have it.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Define "don't deserve it". That's a rather vague statement.

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We should confiscate the penises of men who don't live up to properly manly standards. They can keep their testicles, though.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Those standards being.....

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Arbitrary and politically convenient. I personally think that the communists are somewhat lacking in the masculine virtues of non-communist political views.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Which we all know is invariable incorrect




Statistically, males die earlier than females - this is often seen as a reason why male births (slightly) outnumber female births.

However in an ideal world, there would be something like a 1:20 male:female birth rate

That's a perfect rate for livestock, but most species of mammals living in the wild will balance out to about 50:50. Surely you don't want a policy where 19 out of every 20 male humans are killed & eaten, do you?

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Good to know that you view women as nothing more than livestock...

Hey, he's viewing males as livestock in that equation, too - cattle don't reach that perfect ratio on their own, you know.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Neither do women who do so deserve the gender of woman. You are not really coming up with anything other than this is a bad thing for humans to do. You are claiming gender specificity on things that do not have it.

Men have the biological gear that's necessary to rape women do not. Men usually tend to be physically stronger than women, often when somebody commits rape they do so by physically overpowering their victim. But aside from that, even when you put biological differences aside the fact remains that men are naturally more aggressive and more sex driven and thus are much more likely to do such stuff.

 

[maquiscat]

Men have the biological gear that's necessary to rape women do not. Men usually tend to be physically stronger than women, often when somebody commits rape they do so by physically overpowering their victim. But aside from that, even when you put biological differences aside the fact remains that men are naturally more aggressive and more sex driven and thus are much more likely to do such stuff.

First off rape is not just limited to PiV. Men can rape men, women can rape women, and women can rape men. It's rape whether it is vaginally or anally or even orally. It's rape whether it's done with a penis or with an object. The penetration of one of the orifices in a sexual manner by an external object constitutes rape.

That said, i am not denying the statistical probability of men to commit violence. Nor was that my argument. You are trying to say that a given behavior effectively removes the status on man from male. My counter is that all you are doing is taking at a human failing and only applying it to males. You have yet to come up with anything that is a male only failing.

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[DebateChallenge]

First off rape is not just limited to PiV. Men can rape men, women can rape women, and women can rape men. It's rape whether it is vaginally or anally or even orally. It's rape whether it's done with a penis or with an object. The penetration of one of the orifices in a sexual manner by an external object constitutes rape.

Although most forms of sexual assault involves men victimizing women, you're right that men can and do rape men and this should not be overlooked. But whether the victim is a man or woman, the vast majority of the time when it comes to sexual crimes the perpetrator is a man. Even when you take into account that you can use other objects to rape with as you mention, men with their greater physical strength and more aggressive nature are much more likely than women to commit such crimes and do so at a much greater frequency.

 

[Bodi]

Just look at all these undeserving "men" posting in this thread... it makes being a man so difficult.

 

[Bodi]

We should confiscate the penises of men who don't live up to properly manly standards. They can keep their testicles, though.

Well... those men had their balls taken by their wives/girlfriends...

 

[Bodi]

As I said for me to list everything would take far too long and would be far too long to put on a forum post but I will give you an example. Men that rape and men that commit sexual assault don't deserve their gender.

So these horrible non.men should be women? What are you really implying here?

 

[maquiscat]

Although most forms of sexual assault involves men victimizing women, you're right that men can and do rape men and this should not be overlooked. But whether the victim is a man or woman, the vast majority of the time when it comes to sexual crimes the perpetrator is a man. Even when you take into account that you can use other objects to rape with as you mention, men with their greater physical strength and more aggressive nature are much more likely than women to commit such crimes and do so at a much greater frequency.

You obviously have no clue how much of a red herring the frequency of which gender commits a crime is. If we use your standard of, for example, that rape make a male unworthy of the "title" of man, then also is a female who rapes unworthy of the "title" of woman. In other words, gender does not play into the unworthiness. There is no crime or action that a male can commit that a female cannot also. There is only one exception for each gender and even those are conditional. So there is nothing in and of itself that only a male can do to be found unworthy of the title man that a female cannot also prove herself unworthy of her title of woman.

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[DebateChallenge]

You obviously have no clue how much of a red herring the frequency of which gender commits a crime is. If we use your standard of, for example, that rape make a male unworthy of the "title" of man, then also is a female who rapes unworthy of the "title" of woman. In other words, gender does not play into the unworthiness. There is no crime or action that a male can commit that a female cannot also. There is only one exception for each gender and even those are conditional. So there is nothing in and of itself that only a male can do to be found unworthy of the title man that a female cannot also prove herself unworthy of her title of woman.

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Yes, women can commit crimes such as rape just as men can, but for men its easier to commit crimes such as rape. For men its easier to commit violent crime in general.

 

[maquiscat]

Yes, women can commit crimes such as rape just as men can, but for men its easier to commit crimes such as rape. For men its easier to commit violent crime in general.

Not easier, but more frequent. There is a difference and it is key. You still haven't managed to counter my position that what you are talking about is a human thing, not a specifically man or woman thing.

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[DebateChallenge]

If a man acts in a way that I don't approve of, what gives him the right to act like that?

 

[maquiscat]

If a man acts in a way that I don't approve of, what gives him the right to act like that?

If you act in a way that I don't approve of, what give you the right to act like that?

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[DebateChallenge]

If you act in a way that I don't approve of, what give you the right to act like that?

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When a man acts in a way I don't approve of he sets a bad example. Since Im a guy, therefore it makes me look bad. With me being a dude and all, I should set the standards of how men should act.

 

[maquiscat]

When a man acts in a way I don't approve of he sets a bad example. Since Im a guy, therefore it makes me look bad. With me being a dude and all, I should set the standards of how men should act.

Why should you be the standard and not, say, myself?

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[CLAX1911]

One of the hardest things about being a man is this, one of the hardest things a man has to put up with is other men. There are too many people who are of the masculine gender who don't deserve it.

I would say impacts to the groin, but that's just me.