One Ideology Is Filled With So Much Hate And Intolerance

[Nap]

In all fairness, I have stated it many times and people ignore it, this is not even the normal left doing this, it is antifa which is short for anti fascist. They view violence as acceptable to block anything they view as fascist, problem is they view everything that is not anarchy/socialism/comunism as fascist, so they pretty much view every but the most far left as enemies.

They announce every time they will do it, and recently they have been suspected of using bomb threats to shut down events by conservatives.

I agree that the violence is largely isolated to extremists on both sides but the segment of extremists for the Left is larger and more organized than that of the Right. When you see cases of Right Wing violence it is typically a case of a single deranged person or in some cases people provoked into violence, where as we are seeing mobs of people gathering to cause violence from the Left.

 

[Tigerace117]

Many on the left call people names. Only a small segment of the right call people names. The left are continually trying to suppress the free speech of the right. I don't see cases like that of the right doing it to the left.

The vast majority of the right calls people names. For proof, all you have to do is look at this website.

You've already shown that you can't see what you don't want to, so I'm not suprised.

 

[DamnYankee]

Should have just left this at "no" and then move on with your day. For once you might have stumbled onto a half way decent post.

What excuse? I didn't excuse the actions the OP listed. The people responsible for attacking Trump supporters should be tried by the fullest extent of the law and can get ****ed for all I care. They're violent criminals. The point that I was presenting was that violence does not represent liberal ideology any more than violence represents Conservative ideology. It's fallacious to assert that because a few morons that laid hands on other morons because of their political beliefs that it indicates that an ideology as a whole is inherently violent.

And again, this argument can go the same way for Conservatives. But again, doing so would be so utterly meaningless because conservatism isn't defined by violence. Nor is Liberalism, or Libertarianism or most "-Isms" you can cook up.

Yeah, those violent people don't want peace, they want violence. And because they sought violence they will be arrested, tried by a jury of their peers and face the ramifications of their actions. But something tells me you rather condemn an entire ideology you disagree with than argue with it's actual tenants and be open to new ideas.

Sure.

I have a thing here some call a “coolie.” It’s a foam rubbery thing that one can place a cold can of beer or soda in. On the side it reads, “Even Duct Tape can’t fix stupid.” It applies to the leftist ideology perfectly. Leftists use violence as a means to force others to comply with their demands. It doesn’t work, but nevertheless, leftists try repeatedly expecting different results.

 

[justabubba]

I have a thing here some call a “coolie.” It’s a foam rubbery thing that one can place a cold can of beer or soda in. On the side it reads, “Even Duct Tape can’t fix stupid.” It applies to the leftist ideology perfectly. Leftists use violence as a means to force others to comply with their demands. It doesn’t work, but nevertheless, leftists try repeatedly expecting different results.

i believe i know why someone gave you that particular coolie


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[seagull1776]

If four violent idiots represent an entire ideology then would you find it logically sound if they said the pro-Trump gunman who killed Muslims in Canada represents the Conservative ideology?

The gunman in Canada was a muslim. Also, if you don't think four violent idiots are representative of a group why is it that the left thinks all cops are bad? Why is it that when a shooting occurs there is a push for gun control? Why is it that when there is an unsubstantiated hate crime, it's a conservative? The fact is that despite your fake outrage the left does the same thing except while the right has real and numerous examples, the left generally create a narrative and then form the facts around that narrative.

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[seagull1776]

While I fundamentally agree with the premise that the Left has become more violent and less tolerant to the Right. However, there are cases where some of the Right have openly tried to suppress free speech (Colin K. and Flag burning for example) and called people of the Left names.

I didn't support either candidate but I would personally feel much safer wearing a "I'm with her" shirt in Mississippi or Alabama rather than a "MAGA" hat in California. There is video evidence of mobs chasing and beating people for simply going to a Trump rally. I'm still in shock at seeing the video from the Milo protest at UC Berkeley, young women getting beaten with flag poles and pepper sprayed for attending a speech is simply repulsive.

If people are trying to repress krapernicks speech then it's a very small amount of people. The right believes so strongly in 2A so that they can protect 1A and the rest. The only problem conservatives have with krapernick is that he's a disrespectful and entitles piece of crap. As far as flag burning goes, you can burn the flag, but what your burning is the representation of your very right to commit said action. Also, Hillary Clinton co authored a bill to jail flag burners, so it's not just the right.

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[Moderate Right]

While I fundamentally agree with the premise that the Left has become more violent and less tolerant to the Right. However, there are cases where some of the Right have openly tried to suppress free speech (Colin K. and Flag burning for example) and called people of the Left names.

I didn't support either candidate but I would personally feel much safer wearing a "I'm with her" shirt in Mississippi or Alabama rather than a "MAGA" hat in California. There is video evidence of mobs chasing and beating people for simply going to a Trump rally. I'm still in shock at seeing the video from the Milo protest at UC Berkeley, young women getting beaten with flag poles and pepper sprayed for attending a speech is simply repulsive.

Exactly. No one on the right did this to Kaepernick. All they did was give him a bunch of lip service.

 

[Moderate Right]

The vast majority of the right calls people names. For proof, all you have to do is look at this website.

You've already shown that you can't see what you don't want to, so I'm not suprised.

All you have to do is look at this website to see the left calling the right names all over the place. You only see what you want to see.

 

[DamnYankee]

i believe i know why someone gave you that particular coolie


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I bought the coolie because it was funny, but it does apply to the leftist ideology perfectly.

Send the mods this post to if you want. It would be something like the third or fourth ding since 2009.

 

[akyron]

What reporters wrote that?

Keene Desmond Harris

German Lopez

Jason Nichols

Chauncey DeVega

Al Jazeera staff( I guess they won't sign)

Tom Jacobs


Well there was my 30 second research project.

 

[Kobie]

Keene Desmond Harris

German Lopez

Jason Nichols

Chauncey DeVega

Al Jazeera staff( I guess they won't sign)

Tom Jacobs


Well there was my 30 second research project.

I said reporters, not bloggers.

 

[Kobie]

The gunman in Canada was a muslim.

????

Alexander Bissonette was certainly NOT a Muslim. Either you're arguing from ignorance or dishonesty. Pick one.

 

[seagull1776]

????

Alexander Bissonette was certainly NOT a Muslim. Either you're arguing from ignorance or dishonesty. Pick one.

Are we talking about the same shooting? There's a good start. Maybe consider?

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[Kobie]

Are we talking about the same shooting? There's a good start. Maybe consider?

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You tell me. I was referring to this one.

 

[akyron]

I said reporters, not bloggers.

Shoot the messenger and ignore the message as usual.

 

[Kobie]

Shoot the messenger and ignore the message as usual.

wut

+1

 

[CMPancake]

The gunman in Canada was a muslim.

The one I'm referring to was not Muslim, in fact he was the shooter who specifically targeted Muslims.

Also, if you don't think four violent idiots are representative of a group why is it that the left thinks all cops are bad?

Whoever on "the left" thinks all of Law Enforcement is incredibly misguided and I'll happily join along side you in saying that. Personally, my father is an officer in crime ridden city. I support law enforcement, but I also feel LEOs should be held to higher standards for the amount of power we the people entrust into them.

This entire mindset you have of "all liberals believe in X" is easily countered by at least one person telling you otherwise.

Why is it that when a shooting occurs there is a push for gun control?

Because a good number of Democrats believe in gun control. As a gun owning liberal, I believe in smarter laws regarding the sale of firearms. "Gun control" isn't a "yes/no" belief, there's a spectrum of where you land on how you feel about gun laws. Some believe in a blanket ban, some believe in more moderate laws, and others believe any and all should purchase and own firearms. So again this blind, wishy washy blanket statements you coat yourself in is willful ignorance.

Why is it that when there is an unsubstantiated hate crime, it's a conservative?

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The fact is that despite your fake outrage the left does the same thing except while the right has real and numerous examples, the left generally create a narrative and then form the facts around that narrative.

And whoever does this is wrong, regardless of the political spectrum. I wish "personal responsibility" was a virtue you held, but apparently everything is okay as long as "the people I don't like do it too!"

I have a thing here some call a “coolie.” It’s a foam rubbery thing that one can place a cold can of beer or soda in.

Neat.

On the side it reads, “Even Duct Tape can’t fix stupid.”

Well that explains your posts.

It applies to the leftist ideology perfectly.

What do you define as the "leftist ideology" exactly?

Leftists use violence as a means to force others to comply with their demands.

No, we really don't.

It doesn’t work, but nevertheless, leftists try repeatedly expecting different results.

Yawn.

 

[ataraxia]

So, since others have a different world view, it is acceptable to perpetrate violence against them?

Well the problem that the modern right poses for us liberals is: how much intolerance can we tolerate? Admittedly, it does throw us for a logical loop. But ultimately, the answer seems to be "not much". If you want to call intolerance for outright bigotry and hatred intolerance, then I guess ya got us.

But we are still not going to tolerate travel bans on people based just on their religion, nor systematic efforts to disenfranchise minority voters.

 

[Moderate Right]

Well the problem that the modern right poses for us liberals is: how much intolerance can we tolerate? Admittedly, it does throw us for a logical loop. But ultimately, the answer seems to be "not much". If you want to call intolerance for outright bigotry and hatred intolerance, then I guess ya got us.

But we are still not going to tolerate travel bans on people based just on their religion, nor systematic efforts to disenfranchise minority voters.

That's just it. The left is intolerant of other's beliefs, want to squash other's right to free speech, and seem to be OK with perpetrating violence against those they feel are too intolerant. All principles which would make our founding fathers turn over in their graves. But, to the left, the end justifies the means.

 

[ataraxia]

That's just it. The left is intolerant of other's beliefs, want to squash other's right to free speech, and seem to be OK with perpetrating violence against those they feel are too intolerant. All principles which would make our founding fathers turn over in their graves. But, to the left, the end justifies the means.

So if your point is that you are upset with liberals because they talk about tolerance, but do not tolerate intolerance, then I guess you have a point. That's the one kind of nonsense we don't have much tolerance for. Call us hypocrites for it. I'm totally OK with that. I think the founding fathers would have patted us on the back with an "atta boy" for that too.

"I had always hoped that this land might become a safe and agreeable asylum to the virtuous and persecuted part of mankind, to whatever nation they might belong."
-George Washington

"As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality."
-George Washington

"If they are good workmen, they may be of Asia, Africa, or Europe. They may be Mohometans, Jews or Christians of any Sect, or they may be Atheists."
-George Washington

"... happily the Government of the United States... gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance."
-George Washington

I want you to take a look at that last quote one more time. Even Washington had no tolerance for intolerance.

 

[ataraxia]

Old Jefferson had something to say about it too:

Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

 

[ataraxia]

And here is James Madison, always prescient:

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad.
-James Madison