Officer kills woman inside her Texas home after welfare call

[TU Curmudgeon]

It only focuses on something that doesnt matter if...it doesnt matter. If there is a trend, if it becomes more and more common? Are we supposed to wait until some chamber of commerce or agency tells us? Or sweeps it under the rug?

What you are talking about is the shift from "How COULD such a terrible thing happen?" to "A terrible thing happened AGAIN. (Oh well, these terrible things always happen.)".

While the "Outrage Level" might stay the same, the "Shock Level" has declined to the point where these things have become "socially normalized".

I say "might" because the more often that these things happen, the more (and the more vociferously) some areas of society will "defend" them (so that they don't have to admit that they should not be happening at all).

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

At any time an armed enforcement officer of the state enters a property unannounced yes.

Toss in "absent the possession of a validly issued warrant to do so" and you've got the correct answer. Leave it out and you are incorrect.

 

[Obscurity]

Toss in "absent the possession of a validly issued warrant to do so" and you've got the correct answer. Leave it out and you are incorrect.

I don't recognize the ability of the state to enter private property without a properly obtained warrant, period. In any case.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

was the officer white.??

Who cares?

PS - The answer to "Was the woman innocently going about her lawful business in her own home 'Black'?" is also "Who cares?".

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Cops are afraid of non-cop people.

Since the VAST majority of police officers who are shot are shot by "non-cop people", that fear has SOME basis in reality.

On the other hand, since the number of police officers who are shot by "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" is higher than the number of police officers who are shot by "Segment B of the 'non-cop people'", that police officers would have more fear when dealing with "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" that increased fear could well lead to a disproportionate number of members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" being shot and killed by police officers.

That would mean that the members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" might well have a justified fear of being shot and killed by police officers.

AND that justified fear of being shot and killed by police officers just might make members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" more likely to shot and kill police officers.

AND that increased likelihood of being shot and killed by members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" would only reinforce the justified fear held by police officers of being shot and killed by members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" just might make police officers more likely to shoot and kill members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'".

AND that increased likelihood of being shot and killed by police officers would only reinforce the justified fear held by members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" of being shot and killed by police officers just might make members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" more likely to shoot and kill police officers.

AND that increased likelihood of being shot and killed by members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" would only reinforce the justified fear held by police officers of being shot and killed by members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" just might make police officers more likely to shoot and kill members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'".

AND that increased likelihood of being shot and killed by police officers would only reinforce the justified fear held by members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" of being shot and killed by police officers just might make members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" more likely to shoot and kill police officers.

AND that increased likelihood of being shot and killed by members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" would only reinforce the justified fear held by police officers of being shot and killed by members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" just might make police officers more likely to shoot and kill members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'".

AND that increased likelihood of being shot and killed by police officers would only reinforce the justified fear held by members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" of being shot and killed by police officers just might make members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" more likely to shoot and kill police officers.

AND ...

And not a hate crime.

Quite right, only a rational response to reality - right?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Yes, because the institution of police is socialism.

EVERY government (of any significant size) has ALWAYS had police forces.

In fact, the New York Sheriffs' Office was founded in 1626 and if you want to convince me that the American colonists were "socialists" (when "the first self-conscious socialist movements developed in the 1820s and 1830s") you are going to have to work VERY hard at it.

They work for the state, ...

As does the President of the United States of America, every other member of the Executive Branch of the US government, every member of the Legislative Branch of the US government, and every member of the Judicial Branch of the US government.

So your point would be - what?

That Mr. Trump AND every other member of the Executive Branch of the US government AND every member of the Legislative Branch of the US government AND and every member of the Judicial Branch of the US government are all "Socialists"?

Isn't it interesting how you now condemn an institution which you lauded just a few days ago.

No more interesting than seeing someone who doesn't appear to know what "socialism" is telling people that "__[fill in the blank]__ is <scary voice>**S*O*C*I*A*L*I*S*T**</scary voice>."

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The only homicide in the US that doesn’t require an affirmative defense is abortion.

The fact that it isn't a homicide just might have something to do with that.

 

[vanceen]

It only focuses on something that doesnt matter if...it doesnt matter. If there is a trend, if it becomes more and more common? Are we supposed to wait until some chamber of commerce or agency tells us? Or sweeps it under the rug?

It would be an adequate justification to mention race if there was some indication that race had anything to do with it.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I don't recognize the ability of the state to enter private property without a properly obtained warrant, period. In any case.

Fair enough - just trying to clarify.

 

[truthatallcost]

Very sad event. Hopefully the investigation will find out exactly what happened and make recommendations for changes in police procedures.

I am also mad that the news media felt it was important to identify the race of the LEO and the victim. Seems the msm wants to keep racial tensions high. There is no mention that the LEO was influenced by the victims race. That is there is no evidence provided that the shooting was a "hate crime".

Valid point, considering anyone who dares to mention race when the roles are reversed (white victim, black assailant) is instantly suspected of having a racist motivation.

 

[SLC]

But on the other hand as I understand most low level drug dealer types are non violent and no knock entries inevitably put the people inside, including ones not subject to the warrant at risk. And that says nothing of the inevitable mistakes.

Cops get out at risk as well. More than one cop has wound up getting shot entering the wrong house by a justifiably scared homeowner.

The neighbor that testified in the Amber Guyger case was a low level drug dealer and he was just murder AFTER he shot an assailant in the chest. Drug dealers can be very dangerous and LEO's can't take the chance that they aren't.

 

[GhostlyJoe]

As I said it was bad. The woman was with in her rights to have a gun and to even point it out the window. It would explain why he fired though. He had no way to know if she was a intruder pointing a gun or not. It will be interesting to find out if she was armed or not. A few years ago a Fort Worth police shot and killed a elderly white guy who had heard a prowler and was holding a gun when the police arrived

Cops Shot an Innocent Guy at the Wrong House Because It Was Dark, Say Fort Worth Police – Reason.com

To me, this does not exonerate the officer. If you don't know what you're shooting at; don't shoot. Being an officer is a dangerous job, but people volunteer to do it -- putting citizens' lives ahead of their own. That's commendable. This cop shot an innocent woman and needs to go to prison for a long time.

 

[Gaius46]

Since the VAST majority of police officers who are shot are shot by "non-cop people", that fear has SOME basis in reality.

On the other hand, since the number of police officers who are shot by "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" is higher than the number of police officers who are shot by "Segment B of the 'non-cop people'", that police officers would have more fear when dealing with "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" that increased fear could well lead to a disproportionate number of members of "Segment A of the 'non-cop people'" being shot and killed by police officers.

I’d only note that the number of officers shot and killed in the line of duty in 2019 to date is 36. That’s out of some 670,000 sworn full LEOs.

That would seem to me that the type of training and paranoia that leads to so many civilian deaths is unwarranted.

 

[coco]

FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) — A black woman was fatally shot by a white Fort Worth, Texas, officer inside her home early Saturday after police were called to the residence for a welfare check, authorities said.

Officer kills woman inside her Texas home after welfare call

I dont even know what to say anymore...

spit the pumpkin seeds out and maybe you can talk.

 

[Gaius46]

The neighbor that testified in the Amber Guyger case was a low level drug dealer and he was just murder AFTER he shot an assailant in the chest. Drug dealers can be very dangerous and LEO's can't take the chance that they aren't.

The main reason for no knock warrants in drug cases is to prevent destruction of evidence. It is not primarily about officer safety. In fact a case can be made that no knock warrants are often more dangerous to everyone involved including the cops.

 

[Lursa]

Irrelevant. The officer perceived a threat.

Apparently the dept isnt buying that either:

Kraus said the officer's name is Aaron Dean. If Dean had not resigned, he would have been fired for several policy violations, including the department's use of force and de-escalation policies, and unprofessional conduct, Kraus said. The officer, who was dishonorably discharged from the force, may face criminal charges, he said.

Aaron Dean, the Fort Worth police officer who killed a woman in her own home, has resigned - CNN

 

[Lursa]

They were less than 10' apart. That's close contact.



It's easy to armchair quarterback these events.

Not when there's a barrier between them :doh

Yes and even easier when I'm right. The distance just demonstrates more how incompetent and I'm betting...scared...he was.

 

[Lursa]

What homicide besides abortion is not against the law?

Removing life support. The death penalty. 2 examples.

 

[Lursa]

It would be an adequate justification to mention race if there was some indication that race had anything to do with it.

Since a trend has been established (racism in police depts*), it does enable the community to speak out on more than just the crime itself.


*if not due to racism, then further examination into why the trend is occurring.

 

[tres borrachos]

What homicide besides abortion is not against the law?

Killing on the battlefield. Self-defense.

 

[Middle_Ground]

I read in another article that the cops went to her house at 2:30 in the morning. Why would they do a welfare check at such a late hour?

Because the person that called, called hours earlier on a non emergency number. It was hours later an officer showed up.

Funny I had a welfare check a few years ago 2 police officers rang the bell. No one walked around my house. I would have known if they had and 1 of my dogs or I would probably be dead.

 

[AGENT J]

Fired Fort Worth officer who fatally shot Atatiana Jefferson in her home charged with murder

FORT WORTH, Texas - The Fort Worth Police Department officer who fired into a home, killing Atatiana Jefferson, has been charged with murder.
Aaron Dean, 34, was arrested by Fort Worth police on Monday afternoon. Online court records show the now-fired officer was booked into the Tarrant County jail and charged with murder. A bond has not been set.
The department officially announced the arrest in a tweet Monday afternoon. They said the Fort Worth Interim Police Chief Ed Kraus will have a press conference on Tuesday at an undetermined time.

Fired Fort Worth officer who fatally shot Atatiana Jefferson charged with murder | FOX 5 DC

Havent read through yet but figured this goes here

 

[Lursa]

Fired Fort Worth officer who fatally shot Atatiana Jefferson charged with murder | FOX 5 DC

Havent read through yet but figured this goes here

Hopefully at least some justice for the victim.

Aaron Dean, the former Fort Worth police officer who killed a woman in her own home, charged with murder - CNN

 

[AGENT J]

Watching the body cam is horrendous . . this dude had no business being a cop . . and nether does his partner for that matter . ..

Ive said it before and ive said it again, i have local cops and troopers in my circle of friends and when we talk about these things they all say the same thing. While bigotry is a definite factor polluting the police departments along with people actually absorbing their training . . the biggest issue is the type of person, the quality of person, the character of person is way lesser than what it used to be. To many individuals scared of their own shadow and dont care about nothign else.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I’d only note that the number of officers shot and killed in the line of duty in 2019 to date is 36. That’s out of some 670,000 sworn full LEOs.

That would seem to me that the type of training and paranoia that leads to so many civilian deaths is unwarranted.

I'd go along with "the degree of paranoia", but the fact is that BOTH VERSIONS of BLM have the statistics to establish the basis of their claim that "THEY are killing US in disproportionate numbers.".

PS - You might find "69 People Have Been Killed in Mass Shootings in 2019 Alone" interesting (even though the article only includes the 2019 data prior to August of 2019).