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Officer kills woman inside her Texas home after welfare call

Meh, this is always a relevant example for this kind of sad incompetent (IMO so far) shooting:

Seattle area, 2 law enforcement officers enter a home on a warrant looking for a man. They go into the basement, and shoot the wrong guy, in his bed, 16 times. Didnt identify him, he was completely unarmed and asleep until they entered.

They were so incompetent...they hit him 16 times and didnt even kill him :roll: (Thank God.)

The 2 officers were not charged with a crime and the 2 depts involved didnt fire them (at least not at first, not sure after the civil suit). There was a civil suit tho, and the town paid huge.
 
Irredentist said:
Does reporting the facts of the case cause racial tensions to increase? I don't know, does it?
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If they are factually true*, shouldnt they be used to raise awareness of racial issues?

Why would hiding the truth be better?



*yes I know it's redundant, just did for emphasis
 
TurtleDude said:
Clearly an awful tragedy but the entire set of facts are not known yet. The brief report claims there was a gun found. Was it in the slain woman's hand? Did she point it at the officer? Did the officer panic or did he reasonably believe she was a threat? Too many questions need to be answered before this obvious tragedy can be further categorized.

Cops are put in tough positions. When Private citizens use force, it is almost always after they have been attacked. So the cases of private citizens who legitimately use deadly force, but shoot an innocent person are lower than the cases of cops shooting innocents. But the environment is different. Cops are tasked with looking for dangerous people. And its a tough position. If someone you think is a criminal confronts you, the amount of time you have to ascertain whether they are armed or not is under a couple seconds. If you wait too long, you may be shot. If you shoot too quickly, you might well injure or kill an innocent. A guy reaching for his wallet was shot 40+ times in NYC years ago. A young man with traffic tickets was chased by a Cincinnati cop who had been erroneously told that the young miscreant had EIGHTEEN WARRANTS (warrants mean felonies). So when the young man-after being cornered by the cop, reached down to pull up his sagging shorts-the police officer shot him fatally.

Sadly, these sort of tragedies are hard to prevent.
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Sadly looks to be another case of a cop who has no business being a cop. He did not identify himself as being police before firing at a person in a window in a house also containing a 8 year old minor. Cops gotta stop being so damn quick to pull their triggers. It's getting waaay out of hand.
 
TurtleDude said:
why, his posts generally are fairly well reasoned, even if I don't agree with them.
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Just started seeing this poster yesterday (though not new) and they just appear to be posting nonsense in various threads.
 
Irredentist said:
Do you think law enforcement should generally conceal information from the public that in their opinion might cause tension? Or only when they wrongfully shoot someone.
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/sarcasm on
It has to be " only when they wrongfully shoot someone"
/Sarcasm off

Should all the details involving a shooting be made available to the public before a trial?

Have I said that it was a clean shoot? I support the shooting to be investigated. What has been reported, imo, it does not look good for the LEO.

Would you have a different opinion regarding the shooting if it was a black LEO shooting a black female, or a black LEO shooting a white female, or a white LEO shooting a white female? imo, the race of the officer and the victim has little to do with the shooting. Unless you can prove that particular LEO has racist tendencies.

imo, it is ok for the news to report there was an officer involved shooting and the person shot died.
 
mike2810 said:
In this case though, do you have any evidence that race played a role? Yes or No.

By reporting the race does it increase racial tensions? Yes or No.
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Of course it does. That’s the intent.
 
TurtleDude said:
the shooting of a black man who was carrying an air rifle at a box store in the Dayton area several years ago was most likely due to the person who called 911 and made the situation sound far more dangerous than it actually was
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I remember that. But the thing about this call is that it was made on a 'police non-emergency line' not 911.

The shooting occurred after a neighbor called the police non-emergency line to report that the front door to the home was open, according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
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Somerville said:
I actually witnessed a cop trying to plant a weapon after an obnoxious drunk guy was arrested during a party following a sailboat race in Key West. Didn't work out for the cops as the firearm was moved into the crowd by friends who had played soccer in high school.

The pistol had been in an ankle holster one of the cops was wearing. Gun later turned into local police dept.
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Wow. So how do you feel about cops after witnessing that?
 
Moot said:
Wow. So how do you feel about cops after witnessing that?
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Like every group, some are bad and most are good. I have a brother-in-law who was in the RCMP for 20 years, we got along without any problems, particularly when we were sailing.
 
mike2810 said:
Since you used "Your POTUS", are you an American? If so, like it or not Trump is the President. You don't have to like him, but that does not take away the fact he is the Pres.
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Yeah, we were talking about a white officer killing a black woman, and you didn't think the media should have published skin colour. I disagreed, and gave my reasons why.

Do you have anything to add to that? Do you agree or disagree with what I said in that regard?
 
dairyair said:
Up to this point, very few, if any posted outrage.
Most posted how sad the situation is.
I am not sure what you'd be reading or comprehending.
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Obviously you haven't read the thread.
 
Lursa said:
How about they take cover and attempt to contact her instead of shooting first? I saw no reports of bystanders nearby, it was 2:30 am. The risk of the interior shooter hitting other people seems low.
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Because that isn't how they're trained. It goes against every tactical doctrine in existance. You never turn your back on the threat, in close contact.
 
apdst said:
Because that isn't how they're trained. It goes against every tactical doctrine in existance. You never turn your back on the threat, in close contact.
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The police officer was NOT responding to a call that reported either violence, potential violence, or even concern about violence, and had no indication that any violence had taken place or was about to take place, and was in a position of safety - what "threat"?

Oh, I know "One of them uppity N***rs might have had a gun.".

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Lursa said:
If they are factually true*, shouldnt they be used to raise awareness of racial issues?

Why would hiding the truth be better?



*yes I know it's redundant, just did for emphasis
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Perhaps because there is no reason to believe that race had anything to do with the incident. Barring any evidence that race entered into the events that occurred, why include an irrelevant detail.

Far from "raising awareness", it focuses the story on something that doesn't matter.

For perspective, how would you feel about a headline that read "Black Home Invaders Kill Area Man". Personally, I would find it odd and unneccessarily inflamatory.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
The police officer was NOT responding to a call that reported either violence, potential violence, or even concern about violence, and had no indication that any violence had taken place or was about to take place, and was in a position of safety - what "threat"?

Oh, I know "One of them uppity N***rs might have had a gun.".

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhttttttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Irrelevant. The officer perceived a threat. It goes against his training in that scenario to turn and run for cover.

Oh, I know "One of them uppity N***rs might have had a gun.".
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You said it; not me. Is that how you feel?
 
apdst said:
Obviously you haven't read the thread.
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Obviously I have.
And you posted that nonsense on page 2, where it was especially pertinent that there was no outrage.

Again, I don't know what you were reading or comprehending.
 
apdst said:
Because that isn't how they're trained. It goes against every tactical doctrine in existance. You never turn your back on the threat, in close contact.
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What was the threat in this case?

No threat in OP, no outrage posted in 1st 2 pp. I think you must be confusing this thread with a different one.
 
dairyair said:
What was the threat in this case?

No threat in OP, no outrage posted in 1st 2 pp. I think you must be confusing this thread with a different one.
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That isn't my point. I was simply answering Lursa's question: "why didn't he take cover?"
 
99percenter said:
So then what is the issue? Why does her having a gun matter?
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uh if she pointed it at the officer, that would justify or excuse his actions in some cases
 
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