Officer kills woman inside her Texas home after welfare call

[apdst]

He was wrong, so he didnt identify his target. Thank GOD you are not a cop. He was wrong and he had the option not to shoot. He didnt have to, he could have taken cover. Plenty of homeowners have firearms for protection and would get them if there was an intruder. It's moronic not to think of that...for trained cops or forum posters that actually have time to think...if capable of critical thinking.

And no one says she pointed the gun at him (maybe the cop did but who would believe him? It's in his own best interests) She had a gun at the window. That's not the same thing.

From his perspective: someone was pointing a gun at him, he had the option to die. Thank God you aren't a cop, because you wouldn't live long with that kind of thinking.

Plenty of homeowners have firearms for protection and would get them if there was an intruder.

The cop was outside of the house. He wasn't an intruder. I would go blazing away at someone walking around my property, outside my house. Would you? I bet you know better than to do something like that.

And no one says she pointed the gun at him (maybe the cop did but who would believe him? It's in his own best interests) She had a gun at the window. That's not the same thing.

Her nephew said she was pointing the gun at the window.

Atatiana Jefferson pointed gun at window before Fort Worth officer killed her, nephew told authorities

 

[Lursa]

From his perspective: someone was pointing a gun at him, he had the option to die. Thank God you aren't a cop, because you wouldn't live long with that kind of thinking.

The cop was outside of the house. He wasn't an intruder. I would go blazing away at someone walking around my property, outside my house. Would you? I bet you know better than to do something like that.

Her nephew said she was pointing the gun at the window.

Atatiana Jefferson pointed gun at window before Fort Worth officer killed her, nephew told authorities

That doesnt mean pointing it at the officer. The nephew couldnt see the officer (otherwise the cop was even more incompetent because he risked shooting the kid).

All your excuses prove you are the same as that officer, yet you wont get his sentence. He wrongly identified a target...he wrongly shot a woman in her home. He wrongly chose to shoot her when he had the option to take cover and actually assess the situation. So: he's incompetent, grossly careless of other lives, terrified, and a killer of innocents.

And just like him, you decided to ignore the knowledge that many homeowners would have their their firearms at the ready if there was a threat to their home....full-on incompetence and negligence and ignorance. Did he wait to find out? No. Did he have opportunity to take cover and see? Yes.

Yup, you illustrate many things you have in common.

 

[SkyFox76]

He saw a person pointing a gun at him. He killed her with one shot. I'd say he identified his target. Identifying your target doesn't mean getting their name, their sign and their favorite color.

Also, there the rule: never point a gun at anything you don't intend to destroy. Why was she pointing a gun at a cop? Maybe she should have done that? Firearms safety id everyone's responsibility.

She was pointing her gun at a person lurking around her home with a flashlight. Or should we assume anyone lurking around a house at 2:30am is a cop and let them carry on?

 

[SkyFox76]

From his perspective: someone was pointing a gun at him, he had the option to die. Thank God you aren't a cop, because you wouldn't live long with that kind of thinking.



The cop was outside of the house. He wasn't an intruder. I would go blazing away at someone walking around my property, outside my house. Would you? I bet you know better than to do something like that.



Her nephew said she was pointing the gun at the window.

Atatiana Jefferson pointed gun at window before Fort Worth officer killed her, nephew told authorities

A woman caring for an 8 year, hears someone lurking around in the backyard (after having to open a gate to do so) in the wee morning hours? Hell yes, I would expect her to get her weapon. That person could see in, where as she couldn't see out.

 

[apdst]

A woman caring for an 8 year, hears someone lurking around in the backyard (after having to open a gate to do so) in the wee morning hours? Hell yes, I would expect her to get her weapon. That person could see in, where as she couldn't see out.

And look through a window, totally exposing herself, depriving herself of any cover and concealment, with the gun pointing out the window? That tactic didn't work too well. Did it?

 

[SkyFox76]

And look through a window, totally exposing herself, depriving herself of any cover and concealment, with the gun pointing out the window? That tactic didn't work too well. Did it?

Are you seriously blaming the dead woman here? Maybe she heard something, went to her purse and grabbed her weapon, and realized the person was outside the window, you know, exposing himself to an armed person inside so she raised her weapon.

But you know what she didn't hear outside? She didn't here the officers stating they were FWPD while they were roaming around. Imagine if they had. Then you could use your "why did she point a gun at a cop" line.

(And eta, sadly no neither tactic worked out because the ex cop failed to follow his training, so she's dead and he's facing a murder sentence. He was the one trained you know. )

 

[Lursa]

And look through a window, totally exposing herself, depriving herself of any cover and concealment, with the gun pointing out the window? That tactic didn't work too well. Did it?

How sick is that? You are now blaming the victim, a homeowner trying to take responsibility for the safety of herself and a child? She isnt required to have training, or know tactics. The cop is. He was in the wrong. She was not.

You have written one of the biggest fails, and most pathetic posts I've seen here. All in order to lick the boots of the cops you apparently would bow down to upon their arrival at your home.

 

[apdst]

How sick is that? You are now blaming the victim, a homeowner trying to take responsibility for the safety of herself and a child? She isnt required to have training, or know tactics. The cop is. He was in the wrong. She was not.

You have written one of the biggest fails, and most pathetic posts I've seen here. All in order to lick the boots of the cops you apparently would bow down to upon their arrival at your home.

I'm not blaming anyone. I'm simply putting things into perspective. The fact that I have to do that for someone who claims to be be highly trained in the use of firearms is a little on the scary side.

The cop employed the tactics he was trained to use. There's no tactical school of thought in existance, anywhere on the planet that teaches you to turn your back on the threat and find cover. I hope you never try that, because the odds of dying will increase dramatically.

 

[apdst]

Are you seriously blaming the dead woman here? Maybe she heard something, went to her purse and grabbed her weapon, and realized the person was outside the window, you know, exposing himself to an armed person inside so she raised her weapon.

But you know what she didn't hear outside? She didn't here the officers stating they were FWPD while they were roaming around. Imagine if they had. Then you could use your "why did she point a gun at a cop" line.

(And eta, sadly no neither tactic worked out because the ex cop failed to follow his training, so she's dead and he's facing a murder sentence. He was the one trained you know. )

When she raised and pointed her weapon, she should have pulled the trigger.

Firearms Safety 101: never point you gun at anything you don't intend to destroy.

 

[cpwill]

I'm not blaming anyone. I'm simply putting things into perspective. The fact that I have to do that for someone who claims to be be highly trained in the use of firearms is a little on the scary side.

The cop employed the tactics he was trained to use. There's no tactical school of thought in existance, anywhere on the planet that teaches you to turn your back on the threat and find cover. I hope you never try that, because the odds of dying will increase dramatically.

If the underlined is true, then this cop is showing less restraint than I was legally required to demonstrate in Fallujah, and everyone who wrote those regulations needs to lose their jobs, even as he needs to go to prison for murder.

He shot a legal gun owner in her home for nothing. F Him. He deserves no more protection than I would have from charges in that situation.

 

[Lursa]

I'm not blaming anyone.

Of course you are, here are your words:

And look through a window, totally exposing herself, depriving herself of any cover and concealment, with the gun pointing out the window? That tactic didn't work too well. Did it?

I'm simply putting things into perspective. The fact that I have to do that for someone who claims to be be highly trained in the use of firearms is a little on the scary side.

The cop employed the tactics he was trained to use. There's no tactical school of thought in existance, anywhere on the planet that teaches you to turn your back on the threat and find cover. I hope you never try that, because the odds of dying will increase dramatically.

Your perspective is disturbing, skewed, and wrong. The cop employed the tactics improperly. That's incompetence. Not properly assessing the identity of a target and then choosing to shoot instead of retreating to do so...gross incompetence and hopefully additionally charged with depraved indifference.

And no one said he had to turn his back to seek cover. All he had to do was squat down against the house/in the bushes and then back out.

Again, no one said there was a gun pointed at him. The kid couldnt know that. And the cop would lie to save himself. His own words prove he didnt see a gun because he demanded to see her hands...and then just blasted her.

 

[apdst]

Your perspective is disturbing, skewed, and wrong. The cop employed the tactics improperly. That's incompetence. Not properly assessing the identity of a target and then choosing to shoot instead of retreating to do so...gross incompetence and hopefully additionally charged with depraved indifference.

And no one said he had to turn his back to seek cover. All he had to do was squat down against the house/in the bushes and then back out.

Again, no one said there was a gun pointed at him. The kid couldnt know that. And the cop would lie to save himself. His own words prove he didnt see a gun because he demanded to see her hands.

You've never had any training, obviously, if you believe that. The cop saw a person pointing a gun at him. That's all the target identification he was obligated to do.

Please, get some training from a reputable instructor. This stuff you're dreaming up, is going to get you killed.

 

[apdst]

If the underlined is true, then this cop is showing less restraint than I was legally required to demonstrate in Fallujah, and everyone who wrote those regulations needs to lose their jobs, even as he needs to go to prison for murder.

He shot a legal gun owner in her home for nothing. F Him. He deserves no more protection than I would have from charges in that situation.

If you saw someone pointing at gu at you in Fallujah, you couldn't open fire? You don't expect me to believe that. Do you?

 

[Lursa]

When she raised and pointed her weapon, she should have pulled the trigger.

Firearms Safety 101: never point you gun at anything you don't intend to destroy.

WIthout identifying a threat? If she saw he was a cop...should she have shot him?

LOL You are now not making a single bit of sense.

And no, drawing does NOT mean you have to shoot. It means you see an imminent lethal threat. If that threat stops before you fire OR you identify the target as not a threat...then you dont shoot. It's pure idiocy to imagine there's a law or even a recommendation that you still shoot someone if they turn out not to be a threat :doh

OTOH, you dont know if she would have shot someone to defend herself and the boy...because an idiot cop killed her first.

 

[apdst]

WIthout identifying a threat? If she saw he was a cop...should she have shot him?

LOL You are now not making a single bit of sense.

And no, drawing does NOT mean you have to shoot. It means you see an imminent lethal threat. If that threat stops before you fire OR you identify the target as not a threat...then you dont shoot. It's pure idiocy to imagine there's a law or even a recommendation that you still shoot someone if they turn out not to be a threat :doh

OTOH, you dont know if she would have shot someone to defend herself and the boy...because an idiot cop killed her first.

Beginners: If You Ever Draw Your Gun, You’d Better Be Prepared To Fire – Concealed Nation

 

[Lursa]

You've never had any training, obviously, if you believe that. The cop saw a person pointing a gun at him. That's all the target identification he was obligated to do.

Please, get some training from a reputable instructor. This stuff you're dreaming up, is going to get you killed.

No. Please show where there was a gun pointed "at him."

And it's still not target identification. You havent acknowledged that all cops know very well that it's likely there are people in a home and that they may be and are completely legitimately allowed to be protecting themselves with guns.

He didnt identify the target...because he was WRONG. Period.

He had an option to find cover and assess. And he chose to shoot. He was wrong in every way.

 

[apdst]

No. Please show where there was a gun pointed "at him."

And it's still not target identification. You havent acknowledged that all cops know very well that it's likely there are people in a home and that they may be and are completely legitimately allowed to be protecting themselves with guns.

He didnt identify the target...because he was WRONG. Period.

He had an option to find cover and assess. And he chose to shoot. He was wrong in every way.

I already did, but here it is again...

Atatiana Jefferson pointed gun at window before Fort Worth officer killed her, nephew told authorities

 

[Lursa]

Beginners: If You Ever Draw Your Gun, You’d Better Be Prepared To Fire – Concealed Nation

Yes, be prepared to fire. Nowhere does it say you must :doh

Good lord, digging yourself in deeper? What part of this didnt you understand? Try again, more slowly. Sound it out if you must:

And no, drawing does NOT mean you have to shoot. It means you see an imminent lethal threat. If that threat stops before you fire OR you identify the target as not a threat...then you dont shoot. It's pure idiocy to imagine there's a law or even a recommendation that you still shoot someone if they turn out not to be a threat :doh​

 

[Lursa]

I already did, but here it is again...

Atatiana Jefferson pointed gun at window before Fort Worth officer killed her, nephew told authorities

Yes..."toward" the window, not the cop. Those were the kid's words. We dont even know if she had time to bring it all the way around TO the window. Should I copy and paste that line 10 more times for you?

The cop saw no kid. The video showed no kid. The kid had no way to know what the gun was pointed at outside the window. And if the cop had seen the kid it would have been incredibly dangerous to shoot at the woman, since the boy would have been too close.

 

[apdst]

Yes, be prepared to fire. Nowhere does it say you must :doh

Good lord, digging yourself in deeper? What part of this didnt you understand? Try again, more slowly. Sound it out if you must:

And no, drawing does NOT mean you have to shoot. It means you see an imminent lethal threat. If that threat stops before you fire OR you identify the target as not a threat...then you dont shoot. It's pure idiocy to imagine there's a law or even a recommendation that you still shoot someone if they turn out not to be a threat :doh​

Again, if your plan, upon seeing someone with a gun pointed at you, is to find cover and assess the situation, if that day ever comes, you're going to die. Like I said: you need to get trained up, because you don't know how to handle yourself in a gunfight.

 

[apdst]

Yes..."toward" the window, not the cop. Those were the kid's words. We dont even know if she had time to bring it all the way around TO the window. Should I copy and paste that line 10 more times for you?

The cop saw no kid. The video showed no kid. The kid had no way to know what the gun was pointed at outside the window. And if the cop had seen the kid it would have been incredibly dangerous to shoot at the woman, since the boy would have been too close.

And...who was on the other side of the window? That's right, the cop and he saw a gun pointed at him and he did what he was trained to do.

 

[Lursa]

Again, if your plan, upon seeing someone with a gun pointed at you, is to find cover and assess the situation, if that day ever comes, you're going to die. Like I said: you need to get trained up, because you don't know how to handle yourself in a gunfight.

There is no evidence there was a gun pointed at him. And I will always retreat instead of shooting if possible. I dont need the legal headaches. Which this man will now feel to full measure...because he acted as you heartily recommend...over and over and over and over and over.......................

He had the ability to take cover and assess. He did not. He chose to protect himself and not the public and he didnt even bother to make sure.

And still you dont admit you're wrong :lamo

 

[apdst]

There is no evidence there was a gun pointed at him. And I will always retreat instead of shooting if possible. I dont need the legal headaches. Which this man will now feel to full measure...because he acted as you heartily recommend...over and over and over and over and over.......................

He had the ability to take cover and assess. He did not. He chose to protect himself and not the public and he didnt even bother to make sure.

And still you dont admit you're wrong :lamo

Of course there's evidence. Right here...

Atatiana Jefferson pointed gun at window before Fort Worth officer killed her, nephew told authorities

 

[Lursa]

And...who was on the other side of the window? That's right, the cop and he saw a gun pointed at him and he did what he was trained to do.

So sad...there are a million angles and levels. How desperate are you?

And I'm not sure the cop even said he saw a gun, period. He was still telling the woman to show her hands when he shot. Please quote where he saw a gun pointed at him?

 

[Lursa]

Of course there's evidence. Right here...

Atatiana Jefferson pointed gun at window before Fort Worth officer killed her, nephew told authorities

"Gun at window" not at cop :doh

There is no evidence there was a gun pointed at him. And I will always retreat instead of shooting if possible. I dont need the legal headaches. Which this man will now feel to full measure...because he acted as you heartily recommend...over and over and over and over and over.......................

He had the ability to take cover and assess. He did not. He chose to protect himself and not the public and he didnt even bother to make sure.

And still you dont admit you're wrong :lamo

Yep, you and he are definitely on the same page...and the fact that he's facing charges is pretty strong evidence that both of you are both wrong. And that he quit immediately. And was going to be fired.