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Ocasio-Cortez: All the single-payer VA needs is more money to succeed

Of course, another AOC thread.

He real issue is the VA is horribly underfunded and mismanaged. If politicians were not so willing to send our troops all over the place, giving all sorts of deals to the military industrial complex spending more than any other nation on our military to police the planet, yet turn around and not care at all for our harmed veterans none of this would be an issue.

But hell no, dump on AOC... in total avoidance of why we have so many veterans now needing care from a broken system ran by the same lot so eager to manufacture the next set of veterans needing care.
 
rocket88 said:
Funding the VA a little more would certainly be a pro-veteran thing to do. Why do you hate the military?
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A lack of money isn't the problem at the VA.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Of course, another AOC thread.

He real issue is the VA is horribly underfunded and mismanaged. If politicians were not so willing to send our troops all over the place, giving all sorts of deals to the military industrial complex spending more than any other nation on our military to police the planet, yet turn around and not care at all for our harmed veterans none of this would be an issue.

But hell no, dump on AOC... in total avoidance of why we have so many veterans now needing care from a broken system ran by the same lot so eager to manufacture the next set of veterans needing care.
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More mismanaged than underfunded.

Of course I'm going to call out someone that claims just throughing money at it will solve everything.

Anyone thinks the solution is an idiot. Cortez is already and idiot, but now she gets called out for sayinh something idiotic.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Wow, Trump's got conservatives attacking people that want to properly fund veteran care. Who the **** are you guys anymore?
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The problems at the VA will be fixed by throwing money at it?

You don't believe that do you?

Just the other day she said the VA isn't broken, so it doesn't need fixin'.
 
apdst said:
The problems at the VA will be fixed by throwing money at it?
You don't believe that do you?
Just the other day she said the VA isn't broken, so it doesn't need fixin'.
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She didn't say that was the only thing it needed. I do find it interesting how the conservatives who allegedly claim to love the military want them to have less funding for VA care. You put Trump and partisanship even in front of our veterans. Pretty disgusting.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
She didn't say that was the only thing it needed. I do find it interesting how the conservatives who allegedly claim to love the military want them to have less funding for VA care. You put Trump and partisanship even in front of our veterans. Pretty disgusting.
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What other fixes did she say were needed?

Remember, she said it isn't broken.
 
apdst said:
What other fixes did she say were needed?

Remember, she said it isn't broken.
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She said many things, but you're a simpleton so I'll start easy:

From your own link.
The GOP participates in a lobbyist-friendly campaign to trash the VA, so we tear it up & shop out vet care to for-profit healthcare corps.

To reduce VA wait times, we must FUND the VA so they can hire+fill the 48,000 vacancies for healthcare providers for our vets. #ProtectTheVA https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1118943022744391680

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) April 25, 2019

Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts.

Fully funding the VA & hiring to fill the *49k vacancies* is a clear path to improving it – not auctioning off our vet care systems to for-profit companies.

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) April 25, 2019
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The primary issue vets have with the VA is the excruciatingly long wait times. Many vets die while waiting for care. She suggests using that funding to hire the 49k vacancies the VA currently has so that it can actually serve our veterans effectively and timely. That you would be against getting our vets the care they need is absolutely disgusting.

Her comment about it "not being broken" was specifically referencing the Republican plan of killing the VA entirely and selling it off to private corporations who can prey on our veterans. No thanks.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
She said many things, but you're a simpleton so I'll start easy:

From your own link.


The primary issue vets have with the VA is the excruciatingly long wait times. Many vets die while waiting for care. She suggests using that funding to hire the 49k vacancies the VA currently has so that it can actually serve our veterans effectively and timely. That you would be against getting our vets the care they need is absolutely disgusting.

Her comment about it "not being broken" was specifically referencing the Republican plan of killing the VA entirely and selling it off to private corporations who can prey on our veterans. No thanks.
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Exactly like I said: she wants to throw money at it.
 
apdst said:
Exactly like I said: she wants to throw money at it.
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Yes, hiring more doctors to serve our veterans require money. Can you explain how you will fix VA wait times with less money? Be specific about your proposals.

Most Americans care about our veterans and want them to have timely and effective care. You obviously do not, as partisanship is more important to you than their lives. Caring for our veterans should be the one thing we all agree on.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Yes, hiring more doctors to serve our veterans require money. Can you explain how you will fix VA wait times with less money? Be specific about your proposals.

Most Americans care about our veterans and want them to have timely and effective care. You obviously do not, as partisanship is more important to you than their lives. Caring for our veterans should be the one thing we all agree on.
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Better organization, for starters.

Money isn't the problem:

President Barack Obama says yes. "We've hired thousands more doctors, nurses, staff," he told a recent conference of the Disabled American Veterans. "When we really put our sweat and tears and put our shoulder to the wheel, we can make things better."

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Moreover, the problems at the VA are not understaffed and overburdened hospitals as much as much as poor management and a lack of accountability and oversight. While funding increased 57 percent since 2008 the number of patients treated at VA facilities went up only 13.8 percent. In other words, funding growth outpaced the growth in patient load by a more than four to one margin.

Also during this time period, the number of full-time physicians at the VA went up 40 percent – again, far more than the patient load. And these significant funding increases went through even though VA doctors, on average, see half as many patients as their private sector counterparts. Poor management is a problem more funding won’t solve.

A Lack of Funding Isn't the VA's Problem | RealClearPolitics
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apdst said:
Better organization, for starters.

Money isn't the problem:
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So they marginally increased the number of doctors and wait times were still horrendous and vets weren't able to get timely care, therefore we shouldn't hire any more doctors? You forgot to mention what your plan was. Be specific and also explain why you think veterans don't deserve one single red cent more than they're getting.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
So they marginally increased the number of doctors and wait times were still horrendous and vets weren't able to get timely care, therefore we shouldn't hire any more doctors? You forgot to mention what your plan was. Be specific and also explain why you think veterans don't deserve one single red cent more than they're getting.
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The number of staff increased 3x more than the patient load and they still can't get their **** together.

Care to explain that?
 
apdst said:
The number of staff increased 3x more than the patient load and they still can't get their **** together.

Care to explain that?
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Yes, if an agency is ridiculously understaffed, they increase the number of doctors but are still ridiculously understaffed, they're still understaffed. It's like saying we now have 5% more veterans and 15% more doctors than previously, but both then and now was way too little. Why do you hate funding veterans? And why are you completely and totally incapable of explaining how you'd fix it since you pretend to be an expert on the subject?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Yes, hiring more doctors to serve our veterans require money. Can you explain how you will fix VA wait times with less money? Be specific about your proposals.

Most Americans care about our veterans and want them to have timely and effective care. You obviously do not, as partisanship is more important to you than their lives. Caring for our veterans should be the one thing we all agree on.
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An opportunity to belittle AOC has more priority than just about anything else. They better hope she drops out quickly, else they're gonna stroke out over their obsession of her. :screwy
 
OrphanSlug said:
Of course, another AOC thread.

He real issue is the VA is horribly underfunded and mismanaged. If politicians were not so willing to send our troops all over the place, giving all sorts of deals to the military industrial complex spending more than any other nation on our military to police the planet, yet turn around and not care at all for our harmed veterans none of this would be an issue.

But hell no, dump on AOC... in total avoidance of why we have so many veterans now needing care from a broken system ran by the same lot so eager to manufacture the next set of veterans needing care.
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That's an interesting claim but the article cited completely refutes it.
 
if the US had a sane health care access system, this wouldn't even be a thing. as for the VA, that should be a if not the top priority. veterans should have to pay zero dollars for any medical treatment. their health care should be even better than the Medicaid for all system that i support.
 
rocket88 said:
Funding the VA a little more would certainly be a pro-veteran thing to do. Why do you hate the military?
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How about letting veterans visit any hospital/clinic they need would be pretty pro-veteran, i think.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Of course, another AOC thread.

He real issue is the VA is horribly underfunded and mismanaged. If politicians were not so willing to send our troops all over the place, giving all sorts of deals to the military industrial complex spending more than any other nation on our military to police the planet, yet turn around and not care at all for our harmed veterans none of this would be an issue.

But hell no, dump on AOC... in total avoidance of why we have so many veterans now needing care from a broken system ran by the same lot so eager to manufacture the next set of veterans needing care.
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Yeah....ummm...not even remotely the problem with services at the VA.
 
More evidence of conservatives love affair with AOC. Trump says more dumb things in his sleep than she has said since entering public life.
 
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