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As noted:see post #69
I accept your continued refusal to prove your claim as an admission that you know you cannot.
Thanks for playing.
As noted:see post #69
Not as many soldiers dead and this incorrect idea of victory in a country where failure is the only outcome?
History demonstrates the same cycle and the same outcome. Failure.
The same curtains will fall on UK and US's turn
As opposed to The Obama, who just warms over things that GWB told us years ago.I want a real leader--one who actually leads.
Only if Liberals are in charge. Let us hope that this trend reverses before it is too late. :2wave:
There is absolutely no support for the prediction that the war in Afghanistan is doomed to fail. That others have failed in no way necessitates that someone else will; according to your reasoning, the Panama Canal should never have been built.I'm doing them a better service by keeping them alive than sent out to fight a war that is doomed to failure. I am not belitting their sacrifice by pointing out the obvious.
He can only quote the Gospel According to Saint Teleprompter.As opposed to The Obama, who just warms over things that GWB told us years ago.
One would think that The Secular Messiah would be able to come up with His own rhetoric.
Oh yeah, get some blood thirsty conservatives in power.
Score!
That'll get us somewhere seeing it was them creeps that got us into this war :2wave:
History doesn't declare the outcome of wars.History demonstrates the same cycle and the same outcome. Failure.
The same curtains will fall on UK and US's turn
Ahh... so His writers are copying text from GWB....He can only quote the Gospel According to Saint Teleprompter.
Forgive me but it's quite silly to risk the nation for the sake of its soldiers.I'm doing them a better service by keeping them alive than sent out to fight a war that is doomed to failure. I am not belitting their sacrifice by pointing out the obvious.
British soldiers do not even have the equipment, uniform, helicoptar. Our freaking GENERAL of the Army didn't even have a helicoptar and was reduced to flying in a US LENT one. Does that sound like a Army that will win a war in a country where no army have suceeded in?
see post #69
see post #69
Didn't your dear leader already claim Victory in Iraq and Afghanistan.....:lol:
Are you THAT unfamiliar with the history of Rumsfield and Cheney and their neo-con agenda regarding Iraq that dated back decades before 9/11???
There is absolutely no support for the prediction that the war in Afghanistan is doomed to fail.
You keep railing about soldiers dying; what do you think soldiers do?
I understand that you can only view things through an emotional perspective and your own emotional state, but does it occur to you that men do not sign up for the military because they think it is a "peace corps", they sign up because they want adventure and have a profound desire to serve and if necessary, give up their lives serving for the causes they believe in. Many enjoy the idea of firing a weapon and blowing things up and the idea of killing the enemy. After 9-11, many signed up for the specific purpose of being sent to the ME to kill these bastards who had the audacity to attack us.
I am amazed how little Liberals comprehend of the idea of sacrifice. I am equally stunned when Liberals take the efforts of these brave men and women and impugn them with naive notions about how to confront an enemy who thinks nothing of murdering as many innocent civilians as they can for the mere reason that these innocents do not have the same fanatic religious faith that these murderers have.
I am fairly certain that MOST of the men and women who are dying do not appreciate your efforts to "save" them by suggesting that they cannot win this fight.
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Forgive me but it's quite silly to risk the nation for the sake of its soldiers.
Soldiers serve the nation in order to protect it, and not the other way around.
So long as you refuse to address what I said, I will be happy to repeat it:Pick up a history book.
One way or the other, you cannot decide whether this little war will be a victory or a failure before it's even close to the end.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...sarily-goal-afghanistan-3.html#post1058153704I'll risk the entire ME. Like i care
Soldier serve to protect UK. Afghanistan is not Britain. They should not be protecting anyone apart from us.
By securing Afghanistan from terrorism, you defend your nation from Afghanistan's terrorists.
The goal is to defend the US
What is victory?
We will not defeat a ideology through guns and bombs. Everyone knows this. If making Al Qaeda and Taliban disappear is our idea of victory. We lose.
Taliban and Al Qaeda are different. The Taliban are actual Afghanis, they are the citizens of a country. Most likely people who wear flip flops and walk past our soldiers patrolling but at night bring out the guns. It is them who are our goal.
What we should do is build schools in the places we are 'occupying' and promote education. Build clean waters and roads. Show to them that it is much better our way than theirs. That is victory to me. If we weaken the ideology and its stranglehold, we can never destroy it
Afghanistan's cultural, ethnic and tribal divides mean that it will never have a fully functional, accepted central government. They'd have to unite and defeat all the separate tribal forces and thats proved quite difficult, almost ridiculously so, in the past. Even if you DO beat them you have to comprehend the fact the most Afghans have tribal and not national loyalities. The PDPA tried and failed and they had waaaay more manpower.
You share the naivety of Western Europe's leaders during the raise of Hitler, Laila.We are not US.
It was not UK under threat from anyone. Hell we should have taken a leaf out of France and Germany
Hang on im bit confused here. First your saying we should be building roads and schools and then we,re saying we should be pulling the troops out. Do you think we,ll be able to build schools if the taliban take over again? Also bear in mind that if the schools are teaching girls then its likely both the schools and those teaching in them wont meet a pleasant end if the Taliban is allowed to gain ground.