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I am aware of that, and nobody on the left turned it into an issue either...
Difference is j, a good number of us put down the Bush was behind 9/11 nonsense. Hell, at WS we even banned a good bit of the Bush is Hitler nonsense. Look around here and many who claim to be reasonable conservatives are excusing the Birther nonsense. I think that shows a difference. Don't you?
j, Surely you can check with those banned and those who banned. We pulled a Bush is Hitler thread, denounced Moveon for their ad, and Banned a few who wouldn't stop. It caused a lot of debate amongst us.
And I always said the bush was behind 9/11 nonsense was nonsense. You know that if you have any honest memory at all.
But I'm not talking about ignoring. You guys are actively defending. That is even worse.
Well, that is convenient for you eh? Able to throw a statement out there without any real documentation to back it up, fore we all know that WS is long gone, and nothing retrievable. As I recall it, when the Bush name calling, and nonsense was prevalent very few got called out publicly for their postings by other libs. Most were just ignored, much the same as this situation.
j-mac
Actually, those born in a military hospital on an American post in a foreign country are deemed to be natural born citizens, because the land that the post is on is considered to be American soil.
Try again.
j-mac
Actually no, he was brought up to show the hypocracy. There was no serious challenege to McCain. And it doesn't matter who brough it up first. The question applies to all who brought it up.
That's wasn't how I remembered WS. :roll:
Well, that is convenient for you eh? Able to throw a statement out there without any real documentation to back it up, fore we all know that WS is long gone, and nothing retrievable. As I recall it, when the Bush name calling, and nonsense was prevalent very few got called out publicly for their postings by other libs. Most were just ignored, much the same as this situation.
j-mac
So birfers are racist, but the ghandi is a gas attendent hillary, who started the birther nonsense is not.
Seriously?
Tea Party =/= birthers anymore than homicidal clowns = Democrats. rof
No doubt. But just a sconservatives always see a liberal bias in the media, and liberals always see a conservative bias in the media. your view is likely effected by your own bias. But having been involved in all the discussions that took place there, consitantly told by liberals that we're treating the unfairly and favoring conservatives, and always told by conservatives that we're treating them unfairly and favoring liberals, well, one gets used to the whining after awhile. The fact is we did just what I said we did.
I am aware of that, and nobody on the left turned it into an issue either...
Origins of the claims
People who express doubts about Obama's eligibility or reject details about his early life are often informally called "birthers", a term that parallels[15] the nickname "truthers" for adherents of 9/11 conspiracy theories.[16]
During the Democratic Party's 2008 presidential primaries, anonymous e-mails from supporters of Hillary Clinton surfaced that questioned Obama's citizenship in an attempt to revive Clinton's faltering primary campaign. These and numerous other chain e-mails during the subsequent presidential election circulated false rumors about Obama's origin, religion and birth certificate.[17] [18]
Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I ahven't said anyone IS racist. But I have said the question of why has to be asked of ALL, EVERY SINGLE ONE, who for more of Obama than anyone else. Read for comprehension.
I don't see that here. :shrug:
If you want to argue whistlestopper, lets do it in a different thread.
Natural Born Citizen Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaRegarding people born at U.S. military bases in foreign countries, current U.S. State Department policy (as codified in the department's Foreign Affairs Manual) reads:
"Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."[30]
The foregoing section of the FAM only addresses citizenship by 'jus soli: In short, what is the geographic scope of the "United States"? This does not affect citizenship via 'jus sanguinis, i.e. those who are born abroad to U.S. citizens and who otherwise meet the qualifications for statutory citizenship.[31] The State Department also asserts that "the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes."[32] This position seems to be at odds with the fact that Congress in 1790 felt it could confer natural born citizenship on those born abroad to American parents.
According to an April 2000 report by the Congressional Research Service, most constitutional scholars interpret Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution as including citizens born outside the United States to parents who are U.S. citizens under the "natural born" requirement. This same CRS report also asserts that citizens born in the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands are legally defined as "natural born" citizens and are, therefore, also eligible to be elected President.[29]
then state what you are thinking, show the intestinal fortitude of your positions, you fool no one.
give me some examples of conservatives "actively defending" ANY of the Kenyan, Muslim nonsense.
j-mac
This thread...
As I understand it, he needs to prove that he actually earned his education, and it wasn't all about affirmative action.
I'm very disappointed that US military bases are not jus soli (philosophically, as a patriot) and I apologize to those who I was smug with about it.
We need a "Damn, I was wrong" thread, where people can repent.
He still graduated the bottom of his class and was known for being an atheist in his youth...
This thread...
BooRadley said:Exactly. I even had to ask J if he was a birther because of his defense earlier.
Then it should be no problem for either of you to provide examples. And Joe, you should really know better.
j-mac