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NYT: I Am a Member of the Muslim Brotherhood, Not a Terrorist

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/...terrorist.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

And so, the New York Times has now taken up the cause of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Amazing.

This is a terrorist organization, plain and simple. It's clear as day, and has no intention of being anything but. For the New York Times to subsidize this trash is just further proof that it seeks to destroy the way of life in this country.
 
Erod said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/...terrorist.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

And so, the New York Times has now taken up the cause of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Amazing.

This is a terrorist organization, plain and simple. It's clear as day, and has no intention of being anything but. For the New York Times to subsidize this trash is just further proof that it seeks to destroy the way of life in this country.
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That is because there is talk of declaring the MB a terrorist organization. Their ties to terror are undeniable. The NYT will tell us why we should ignore them.
 
Erod said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/...terrorist.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

And so, the New York Times has now taken up the cause of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Amazing.

This is a terrorist organization, plain and simple. It's clear as day, and has no intention of being anything but. For the New York Times to subsidize this trash is just further proof that it seeks to destroy the way of life in this country.
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I'm at my limit for free articles. Can you quote a piece of what you're speaking towards?
 
Erod said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/...terrorist.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

And so, the New York Times has now taken up the cause of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Amazing.

This is a terrorist organization, plain and simple. It's clear as day, and has no intention of being anything but. For the New York Times to subsidize this trash is just further proof that it seeks to destroy the way of life in this country.
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This is an opinion piece. You do realize that you're now criticizing the media for not censoring unpopular opinions, correct? I thought you guys wanted an unbiased media.

Well, this is what an unbiased media does.

You don't get to say that only opinions you agree with should be facilitated, and the ones you don't agree with shouldn't be. Either you want an unbiased media, or you just want a media that only has YOUR bias. Make up your mind.

And actually it isn't clear as day. The Muslim Brotherhood condemns terrorism and is actually less conservative than many existent Muslim states. It's Islamist, yes, and its values shouldn't be accepted as a social model by American society. But that doesn't make it terrorist. I mean, unless you also think white nationalist organizations are all terrorist as well, and should also be suppressed by the media. They're just as extreme and incompatible with American values as the Muslim Brotherhood is.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
This is an opinion piece. You do realize that you're now criticizing the media for not censoring unpopular opinions, correct? I thought you guys wanted an unbiased media.

Well, this is what an unbiased media does.

You don't get to say that only opinions you agree with should be facilitated, and the ones you don't agree with shouldn't be. Either you want an unbiased media, or you just want a media that only has YOUR bias. Make up your mind.

And actually it isn't clear as day. The Muslim Brotherhood condemns terrorism and is actually less conservative than many existent Muslim states. It's Islamist, yes, and its values shouldn't be accepted by American society. But that doesn't make it terrorist. I mean, unless you also think white nationalist organizations are all terrorist as well, and should also be suppressed by the media. They're just as extreme and incompatible with American values as the Muslim Brotherhood is.
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Could you name some of those?
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
This is an opinion piece. You do realize that you're now criticizing the media for not censoring unpopular opinions, correct? I thought you guys wanted an unbiased media.

Well, this is what an unbiased media does.

You don't get to say that only opinions you agree with should be facilitated, and the ones you don't agree with shouldn't be. Either you want an unbiased media, or you just want a media that only has YOUR bias. Make up your mind.

And actually it isn't clear as day. The Muslim Brotherhood condemns terrorism and is actually less conservative than many existent Muslim states. It's Islamist, yes, and its values shouldn't be accepted as a social model by American society. But that doesn't make it terrorist. I mean, unless you also think white nationalist organizations are all terrorist as well, and should also be suppressed by the media. They're just as extreme and incompatible with American values as the Muslim Brotherhood is.
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censoring?

cookoo cookoo. they get thousands of submissions. they choose the ones that are printed. They chose to give this one such a huge audience.
 
ARealConservative said:
censoring?

cookoo cookoo. they get thousands of submissions. they choose the ones that are printed. They chose to give this one such a huge audience.
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How do you know it hasn't been in the cue for months? Also, do you have any idea how many submissions are just too poorly written to run? I'll tell you: the vast majority. But regardless, that doesn't change that you're criticizing them for not censoring opinions you don't like. Gee, real unbiased of you.
 
coldjoint said:
Now tell me about the terror connections they have.
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Some do, some don't. Actually, if you had bothered to read my damn post, you would have seen that my implication was that, in fact, they don't all have terrorist connections, despite the fact that they're extreme.

Similarly, not all Islamist organizations are terrorist either. Extreme does not automatically equal terrorist.
 
Gina said:
I'm at my limit for free articles. Can you quote a piece of what you're speaking towards?
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Here's the first couple paragraphs, which is a reasonably decent outline for where it goes from there. Basically, it's defending against being classed in America as a terrorist organization.

TORA, Egypt — I write this from the darkness of solitary confinement in Egypt’s most notorious prison, where I have been held for more than three years. I am forced to write these words because an inquiry is underway in the United States regarding charges that the Muslim Brotherhood, an organization to which I have devoted years of my life, is a terrorist group.

We are not terrorists. The Muslim Brotherhood’s philosophy is inspired by an understanding of Islam that emphasizes the values of social justice, equality and the rule of law. Since its inception in 1928, the Brotherhood has lived in two modes: surviving in hostile political environments or uplifting society’s most marginalized. As such, we have been written about, spoken of, but rarely heard from. It is in that spirit that I hope these words find light.
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SmokeAndMirrors said:
Some do, some don't. Actually, if you had bothered to read my damn post, you would have seen that my implication was that, in fact, they don't all have terrorist connections, despite the fact that they're extreme.

Similarly, not all Islamist organizations are terrorist either. Extreme does not automatically equal terrorist.
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Which ones have proven connections? Islam, itself, has proven connections to terror.
 
coldjoint said:
Which ones have proven connections? Islam, itself, has proven connections to terror.
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Well, by that logic, so does Christianity. That's a vapid and obviously prejudiced claim.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Well, by that logic, so does Christianity. That's a vapid and obviously prejudiced claim.
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By all the logic there is that does not apply in this modern world. There is no widespread Christian terror. End of story.
 
Erod said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/...terrorist.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

And so, the New York Times has now taken up the cause of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Amazing.

This is a terrorist organization, plain and simple. It's clear as day, and has no intention of being anything but. For the New York Times to subsidize this trash is just further proof that it seeks to destroy the way of life in this country.
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Are you as sure about this as that courthouse shooting?
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Here's the first couple paragraphs, which is a reasonably decent outline for where it goes from there. Basically, it's defending against being classed in America as a terrorist organization.
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Thank you! A few years ago, I read a few articles explaining that not all Muslim Brotherhood organizations are terrorist. In fact, I think the articles were in relation to the organization in Egypt.

You're posts are very good in this thread, btw.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
So now that you're obviously wrong and can't recover from it, you're just going to throw out some meaningless non-sequitur. Ok then. :lol:
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I am talking about the frequency and the body count. There is no comparison.
 
Erod said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/...terrorist.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

And so, the New York Times has now taken up the cause of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Amazing.

This is a terrorist organization, plain and simple. It's clear as day, and has no intention of being anything but. For the New York Times to subsidize this trash is just further proof that it seeks to destroy the way of life in this country.
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What "taking up the cause"? It's an interesting story that's being reported on.
 
Gina said:
Thank you! A few years ago, I read a few articles explaining that not all Muslim Brotherhood organizations are terrorist. In fact, I think the articles were in relation to the organization in Egypt.

You're posts are very good in this thread, btw.
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My understanding is that the argument for classing it is that Muslim Brotherhood members were in the riots, and that terrorists in other organizations were once part of the Muslim Brotherhood.

But I tend to disagree with that reasoning. Literally everyone was involved in the Arab Spring riots. The Muslim Brotherhood as a whole condemned them, and does have a reasonably decent record of non-violence. And terrorists have come from all sorts of places, including random Western white people. The important part is that they had to leave the Muslim Brotherhood before they were able to get any traction. I mean, there are eco terrorists who were once in Greenpeace, but the fact that they had to leave Greenpeace before they found support tends to point against Greenpeace being terrorist, ya know? If Greenpeace supported a terrorist agenda, they would have just stayed in Greenpeace. Same deal with the Muslim Brotherhood.

That's my thinking, anyway. And thank you!
 
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coldjoint said:
I am talking about the frequency and the body count. There is no comparison.
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Yeah, there is actually.

What you mean is that the body count isn't exceptionally high in places you pay attention to, or places that America has a vested interest in, like the oil-rich Middle East.

Well, it's not as though Islamist terrorism is common everywhere on earth either. I mean, there's not much Islamist terrorism happening in Argentina, now is there. And for that matter, there's not much going on in America either. How many people do you know who've been killed by Islamist terrorists?

Even if that weren't the case, guess what? There's other places on the planet besides America and Iraq. People live in those places, and their lives matter just as much.

The fact that you don't care about the huge massacres being committed by Christian terrorists in places like Africa and India doesn't mean they aren't happening, or that their lives don't matter.
 
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