Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen[W: 91,168]

[notquiteright]

Re: Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen

Romney lost because he refused to say just HOW he was going to 'restore' the nation.

Romney lost because his big 'success' in Utah was the result of the largest taxpayer bailout in US Olympic history.

Romney lost because Obamacare was a version of Romneycare.

Romney lost because his fellow Repubs stuck him with 'Vulture Capitalism' as a tag line.

Romney lost because he is a smug and arrogant exclusionist.

Romney lost because too many people saw him trimming his sails to whatever wind blew him along his political career.

Romney lost because he picked an anchor rather than running mate.

Numbers don't lie- people using them to their own ends do.

 

[SMTA]

Re: Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen

I'm sorry can you point to me the news stories where Romney won 100% of 59 Districts in PA or 9 of them in Ohio and members of the KKK were blocking polls and engaging in voter intimidation

You are willing to look the other way because Obama won. Just be honest.

Oh my goodness - another conspiracy theory.....unsupported by any evidence.....must be another lunatic fringe.

 

[Objective Voice]

Re: Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen

After reading the OP, I thought this...

You and I have a different definition of proof.

You seem to have left out third-party votes.

...but would have responding along the lines of this...

Not a single "proof" in your post. You have produced a series of facts and raised question on those facts and in those questions have created inference, but nothing more.

There a lots of reasons that people would vote for a Republican congress and not Romney, including they voted for Obama, voted for a third party candidate (most likely) or simply abstained on the presidential vote as they did not like either candidate. Romney was not exactly the candidate of choice of all Republicans. There are many who did not vote for him. BTW, there are likely also people that voted for Romney but not the Republican congressional candidate. Not everyone votes party line.

The idea that you can create sufficient votes to change the outcome of a national or even statewide race without manipulating the voting machines is far more absurd than the assertion the 9/11 was inside job..... Extremely absurd.

Upsideguy,

I couldn't have said it better myself. Well Done!

 

[Objective Voice]

Re: Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen

Oh my god!

NEVER BEFORE HAD IT HAPPENED!......

except in 2008. When the total votes in Florida for President was:

Democrats - 4,282,367
Republicans - 4,046,219
Total - 8,328,586

And for Congress was:

Democrats - 3,812,163
Republicans - 3,993,663
Total - 7,805,826

As I've often said, alittle perspective goes a long way.

 

[Objective Voice]

Re: Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen

At best, and assuming the individual did the research to claim this has "NEVER HAPPENED" as if that's fact, it "proves" that the public acted differently in this election than in the past. That's not "PROOF" the election is stolen. It's something one could use to argue that but it does not in any way clearly and unquestionably show that the election was "stolen". To do that, one would need to prove that the votes that went to the congressman but not to Romney actually WERE cast for Romney...otherwise it's just speculation. Speculation isn't proof.

Case and point, my step-daughter who voted for the first time (she's 22) informed me that although she voted for state races, she didn't cast a vote for the presidency. She said she really didn't like either candidate and so she abstained from voting for a presidential candidate this time around. Only goes to show the numbers likely are not skewed; people just may have decided to vote "None of the Above" where the presidency is concerned. I know I entered "Someone Else" as a "write-in" for many state seats mostly because the candidate went unopposed and I hate that! I refuse to just give a candidate a legislative or Congressional seat WITHOUT having to go up against somebody. :lol:

But to the point, it is very possible to have a larger number of registered vote cast for a state legislative or Congressional candidate of a particular party than there were votes cast for a presidential candidate of the same party. Likely factors for this are:

- Lack of interest in the particular presidential candidate.

- Third party candidate siphoning votes.

It doesn't have to be this big conspiracy; it just has to make sense. It's why you can have both candidates receive 49% of the vote and still have one candidate win. Why? Because 2% of the vote either went to a 3rd party candidate OR people simply choose NOT to vote for either candidate - "None of the Above" or "Someone Else"...literally or figuratively.

 

[Objective Voice]

Re: Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen

Whats the point her?
That if I vote for a Democrat for president I MUST vote across party lines and vote democrat for everything else?
what - say what?

Flips that concept the middle finger.

What you're apparently flipping out over is that people don't' vote along party lines - I mean thank god - we actually have people who are informed at those booths. I love it!

So true, so true! I may have voted for Obama, but I also voted for a couple of Republicans at the state level. Rarely, if ever, do I vote a straight party-line ticket. I vote for the candidate I believe can do or has done the best job.

 

[Objective Voice]

Re: Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen

If those states were anything like mine there were Republicans running for every office on the ballot but often no Democrats.....in most of the cases the only opposition was a Libertarian rep. So yes.....based on this there could have been more Republican votes for a state rep than for Obama.

That was exactly the case here in Alabama. Hence, the reason I wrote in "Someone Else" as write-in candidates in every slot where a Republican candidate ran unopposed. (And for the record, each Democrat on the ballot had a Republican challenger but it certainly wasn't the other way around.)

 

[Penderyn]

Re: Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen

Wonderful how people who were wrong about everything during the election can't even lose without looking innumerate as well as illiterate and unsporting.

 

[iacardsfan]

so far i have done the numbers for 4 of the swing states ...and the results are shocking.....

NEVER BEFORE HAS THERE BEEN MORE VOTES FOR CONGRESSMEN
THAN FOR PRESIDENT IN ANY PREVIOUS ELECTION....EVER!!!!


Florida vote tally for congressional seats by party

(there were 2 uncontested districts, these vote totals will be added to the final tally)

republican 3,805,855

democrat 3,494,131

Florida votes for president in the same districts

Romney 3,502,413

Obama 3,532,998

Are we supposed to believe that 303,442 people voted for

republican congressmen and not Mitt Romney?

so lets say that these people did vote for Romney

(which i find very likely),the final tally is as follows

Romney 4,465,616

Obama 4,236,032

` ROMNEY WINS !!!!!!

This is more proof ...stolen election


I used the vote Tally Data from Politico.com

on November 11, 2012

PENNSYLVANIA FRAUD UPDATE
NEVER BEFORE HAS THERE BEEN MORE VOTES FOR CONGRESSMEN
THAN FOR PRESIDENT IN ANY PREVIOUS ELECTION....EVER!!!

Pennsylvania vote tally for congressional seats by party



republican 2,850,537

democrat 2,722,560

Pennsylvania votes for president

Romney 2,619,583

Obama 2,907,448

Are we supposed to believe that 230,954 people voted for

republican congressmen and not Mitt Romney?




This is more proof ...stolen election


I used the vote Tally Data from Politico.com

on November 13, 2012


NEVER BEFORE HAS THERE BEEN MORE VOTES FOR CONGRESSMEN
THAN FOR PRESIDENT IN ANY PREVIOUS ELECTIONS....EVER!!!!


OHIO vote tally for congressional seats by party

(there were two uncontested districts)

republican 2,315,250

democrat 2,065,841

OHIO votes for president in the same districts

Romney 2,226,274

Obama 2,184,070

Are we supposed to believe that 88,976 people voted for

republican congressmen and not Mitt Romney?



This is more proof ...stolen election


I used the vote Tally Data from Politico.com

on November 11, 2012


IN PREVIOUS ELECTIONS THERE HAS NEVER BEEN MORE VOTES
FOR CONGRESSMEN THAN FOR PRESIDENT ......EVER


Virginia vote tally for congressional seats by party


republican 1,833,934

democrat 1,736,164

Virginia votes for president

Romney 1,789,618

Obama 1,905,528

Are we supposed to believe that 44,316 people voted for

republican congressmen and not Mitt Romney?

so lets say that these votes were switched through electronic

voter fraud ...thats a 88,632 vote swing ...Add in the absentee military vote and it is definitely enough to

warrant investigation and Recount..i have no doubt Virginia

should be a Romney win.....

Yo third parties didn't have people running for congress, but they did for the president, did you ever think that somebody might not like mitt romney and vote for somebody besides obama or romney? You people need stop complaining about the election. no matter what you all post on here trying to convince us the election is rigged, it is not going to change the outcome.

 

[driftervii]

Re: Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen

As I've often said, alittle perspective goes a long way.

2008 election tally

congress
Democrats-3,341,607
Republican-3,716,175

president

Obama-3,902,632

Mccain-3,955,975

there were two districts that had uncontested congressional races....
these numbers are the tally of votes in districts where there were congressional races.......learn better math skills .....

 

[driftervii]

Yo third parties didn't have people running for congress, but they did for the president, did you ever think that somebody might not like mitt romney and vote for somebody besides obama or romney? You people need stop complaining about the election. no matter what you all post on here trying to convince us the election is rigged, it is not going to change the outcome.

around 60,000 people voted third part for president ....doesnt even dent the 300,000 missing votes for romney

 

[driftervii]

Re: Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen

So true, so true! I may have voted for Obama, but I also voted for a couple of Republicans at the state level. Rarely, if ever, do I vote a straight party-line ticket. I vote for the candidate I believe can do or has done the best job.

i understand that some people vote across part lines in every election .....but i would say that even a higher percent VOTE ONLY President....the numbers do not lie ...if you can find similar numbers from any previous presidental elections....please post

 

[iacardsfan]

around 60,000 people voted third part for president ....doesnt even dent the 300,000 missing votes for romney

Dude, gary johnson pulled over a million votes by himself, not including jill stein, virgil goode, or rocky anderson (among others) that is WAY more then the 300,000 "missing" Romney votes.

 

[IndepCentristMA]

Re: Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen

Obviously it doesn't stand as "proof" of anything.

However, if you get past the semantics of that argument, this point he brings up does raise some doubt.

Only if there are 300,000 sane people who don't vote vote straight party line.

So, while the rest of the election saw a more partisan legislature elected... you propose this is evidence that more people were voting in a bi-partisan manner?

I don't doubt that people voted but didn't vote along party lines...

I do have a trouble with the amount... 300,000 that's 6%... I think that's a significant amount... that's 4-5 times the support of Gary Johnson and the other 3rd party candidates combined... and perhaps in addition to them... as these votes didn't necessarily go to the third party candidates...

Are you honestly suggesting that THAT many people were so pleased with Obama as president, but liked their Republican Party congressmen? That goes against ALL presidential and congressional approval ratings... Where the president recieves 45-50% support, but the congress recieves 15-25% support...

More people are dissatisfied with Congress at the moment...

So, a HUGE discrepency between the votes that Romney got, and the votes that Congressmen got that leans in favor of the Congressmen raises some doubt in the process... especially with several Congressmen actually running unopposed, whereby many voters dont even fill in the Congressional bubble...

Also consider these votes potentially have a double effect, if they go to one of the major two parties... a vote lost to Republicans is a vote added to the Democrat side... So that 300,000 could reflect a 600,000 swing in the vote totals... even those states where is was 44,000 votes... that could easily have a 70-90K vote total difference, in states where the difference was only 40K votes...


As I said, none of this stands as proof... but it does add to the mounting pile of information regarding this vote which suggests something isn't right.

We have already seen in the few recounts that have been taking place, that Democratic candidates are losing votes... and not small amounts of them either... That, too, suggests something may not be right with these vote totals...

Republican officials being kicked out of voting locations on election day... then the vote going 100% to Obama in those precincts suggest something might not be right with the vote totals...

Machines switching names from one candidate to another suggest that something might not be right about the vote totals...

There are numerous things wrong with the vote... that aren't just "hey, my guy didn't win"...

There is enough here to say, something has been going on. We need to fix the voting process to ensure that in this election, and every election going forward we will have the candidate that was rightly elected, not the candidate that political insiders were able to manipulate votes in order to get candidates elected...

such as say a status quo election... when so many people are so displeased with government at the moment in every approval rating...

 

[IndepCentristMA]

Dude, gary johnson pulled over a million votes by himself, not including jill stein, virgil goode, or rocky anderson (among others) that is WAY more then the 300,000 "missing" Romney votes.

Psst... that 300,000 was 1 state's total... in that state Johnson only got 60,000 votes

Gary Johnson got 1.something million nationally... that helps illustrate his point... This 1 state's vote discrepency was nearly a third of what Gary Johnson got from every state, plus DC...

Doesn't that strike you as odd? That people were that disatisfied with Romney, that they weren't even voting for Gary Johnson or one of the other 3rd party candidates... at least 200,000 of those 300,000 votes would have to have been switching parties... which is a HUGE rarity... statistically you normally get 98-99% party support... this would equate to 94%... In an election where even Democrats are dissatified with Obama...

 

[rocket88]

Re: Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen

Obviously it doesn't stand as "proof" of anything.

However, if you get past the semantics of that argument, this point he brings up does raise some doubt.



So, while the rest of the election saw a more partisan legislature elected... you propose this is evidence that more people were voting in a bi-partisan manner?

I don't doubt that people voted but didn't vote along party lines...

I do have a trouble with the amount... 300,000 that's 6%... I think that's a significant amount... that's 4-5 times the support of Gary Johnson and the other 3rd party candidates combined... and perhaps in addition to them... as these votes didn't necessarily go to the third party candidates...

Are you honestly suggesting that THAT many people were so pleased with Obama as president, but liked their Republican Party congressmen? That goes against ALL presidential and congressional approval ratings... Where the president recieves 45-50% support, but the congress recieves 15-25% support...

More people are dissatisfied with Congress at the moment...

So, a HUGE discrepency between the votes that Romney got, and the votes that Congressmen got that leans in favor of the Congressmen raises some doubt in the process... especially with several Congressmen actually running unopposed, whereby many voters dont even fill in the Congressional bubble...

Also consider these votes potentially have a double effect, if they go to one of the major two parties... a vote lost to Republicans is a vote added to the Democrat side... So that 300,000 could reflect a 600,000 swing in the vote totals... even those states where is was 44,000 votes... that could easily have a 70-90K vote total difference, in states where the difference was only 40K votes...


As I said, none of this stands as proof... but it does add to the mounting pile of information regarding this vote which suggests something isn't right.

We have already seen in the few recounts that have been taking place, that Democratic candidates are losing votes... and not small amounts of them either... That, too, suggests something may not be right with these vote totals...

Republican officials being kicked out of voting locations on election day... then the vote going 100% to Obama in those precincts suggest something might not be right with the vote totals...

Machines switching names from one candidate to another suggest that something might not be right about the vote totals...

There are numerous things wrong with the vote... that aren't just "hey, my guy didn't win"...

There is enough here to say, something has been going on. We need to fix the voting process to ensure that in this election, and every election going forward we will have the candidate that was rightly elected, not the candidate that political insiders were able to manipulate votes in order to get candidates elected...

such as say a status quo election... when so many people are so displeased with government at the moment in every approval rating...

There's a lot wrong with the election system. I honestly think that these sort of things just scratch the surface, but we hear about them because a Republican source is more likely to look the other way when it's Republicans.

It kind of does come down to "my guy didn't win." If Romney had won, we wouldn't even have heard about this from this poster. On the other hand, we'd be hearing a lot about this:




And Conservatives would be lining up to say "Well, it doesn't mean anything, nothing to see here..."

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Re: Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen

i understand that some people vote across part lines in every election .....but i would say that even a higher percent VOTE ONLY President....the numbers do not lie ...if you can find similar numbers from any previous presidental elections....please post

I'm not sure what your point is ... but looking at the 2,000 election, I see more votes for Republican House candidates than Bush in the following states:

Alaska: Bush: 167,398; Republicans: 190,862
Arizona: Bush: 781,652; Republicans: 854,715
Colorado: Bush: 883,748; Republicans: 968,651
Connecticut: Bush: 561,094; Republicans: 590,689

... that's as far as I bothered.

Federal Elections 2000: Presidential General Election Results by State
Federal Elections 2000:  2000 Votes Cast for the U.S. House of Representatives by Party Table

... so what's your point?

 

[driftervii]

Dude, gary johnson pulled over a million votes by himself, not including jill stein, virgil goode, or rocky anderson (among others) that is WAY more then the 300,000 "missing" Romney votes.

sorry ..the 300,000 missing votes andthe 60,000 third party numbers are for FLORIDA ALONE ...sorry to confuse you

 

[notquiteright]

OHHHH Florida you say...

That would be the state where the current Governor is a very Partisan, very anti-Obama republican who gets to pick the Secretary of State to oversee elections.

So for the Florida election to be stolen from Romney the Republican administration had to be cahooting with President Obama's campaign in some way... :roll:

 

[driftervii]

Re: Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen

I'm not sure what your point is ... but looking at the 2,000 election, I see more votes for Republican House candidates than Bush in the following states:

Alaska: Bush: 167,398; Republicans: 190,862
Arizona: Bush: 781,652; Republicans: 854,715
Colorado: Bush: 883,748; Republicans: 968,651
Connecticut: Bush: 561,094; Republicans: 590,689

... that's as far as I bothered.

Federal Elections 2000: Presidential General Election Results by State
Federal Elections 2000:* 2000 Votes Cast for the U.S. House of Representatives by Party Table

... so what's your point?

do any of those totals add up to be more than the president tally?

Florida 2012 votes for us house = 7,299,986
Florida 2012 votes for president(in those same districts)= 7,035,411

try and find those kind of numbers from previous elections .....ide give you more ....but WHY BOTHER ....LOL

 

[IndepCentristMA]

Re: Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen

There's a lot wrong with the election system. I honestly think that these sort of things just scratch the surface, but we hear about them because a Republican source is more likely to look the other way when it's Republicans.

It kind of does come down to "my guy didn't win." If Romney had won, we wouldn't even have heard about this from this poster. On the other hand, we'd be hearing a lot about this:



And Conservatives would be lining up to say "Well, it doesn't mean anything, nothing to see here..."

I can't speak for "Conservatives" or "Republicans"...

But this story you put forth is among the list of things I've included in what went wrong in this election...

I even just pointed out in recent posts that there were machines that switched votes to either side... One of the many problems that you acknowledged...

You've even gone as far as to say we haven't even scratched the surface... I agree...

So if that's the case... why not investigate it more?!?

What legitimate reason exists not to investigate ALL of these instances of reported voter fraud?

Why not recount areas where suspected fraud has occured?

 

[Dooble]

Re: Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen

The good news is just 207 weeks from today, Obama will not be the President elect!

Unless the Left crowns Obama King and starts a civil war.

 

[rocket88]

Re: Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen

I can't speak for "Conservatives" or "Republicans"...

But this story you put forth is among the list of things I've included in what went wrong in this election...

I even just pointed out in recent posts that there were machines that switched votes to either side... One of the many problems that you acknowledged...

You've even gone as far as to say we haven't even scratched the surface... I agree...

So if that's the case... why not investigate it more?!?

What legitimate reason exists not to investigate ALL of these instances of reported voter fraud?

Why not recount areas where suspected fraud has occured?

I don't expect you to speak for all Republicans, but I do think that what we here about comes down to who won. The winning side ain't bitching about the results, right?

Basically, here's where I am -- who are you going to get to investigate it? Between the two parties, they're both vested in keeping it as it is. Any law to require an "independent" commission would require the consent of the two major parties (No laws get passed without at least one of them). Since any investigation is going to be ordered by the political parties, I inherently don't trust it. If one side investigates, the other side won't trust it. The media? Which side's media?

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Re: Numbers don't lie ...Election was stolen

do any of those totals add up to be more than the president tally?

Florida 2012 votes for us house = 7,299,986
Florida 2012 votes for president(in those same districts)= 7,035,411

try and find those kind of numbers from previous elections .....ide give you more ....but WHY BOTHER ....LOL

You mind posting a link to where you're getting your numbers from?

Here are my numbers ...

House: 7,510,540
President: 8,459,097

I don't see any sites breaking down presidential votes in Florida by district.

2012 Election Results Map by State - Live Voting Updates - POLITICO.com

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

I used the vote Tally Data from Politico.com

on November 11, 2012

PENNSYLVANIA FRAUD UPDATE
NEVER BEFORE HAS THERE BEEN MORE VOTES FOR CONGRESSMEN
THAN FOR PRESIDENT IN ANY PREVIOUS ELECTION....EVER!!!

Pennsylvania vote tally for congressional seats by party



republican 2,850,537

democrat 2,722,560

Pennsylvania votes for president

Romney 2,619,583

Obama 2,907,448

Are we supposed to believe that 230,954 people voted for

republican congressmen and not Mitt Romney?

No ... we're supposed to believe your math sucks.

According to Politico, whose numbers were posted on 11/8/2012, there were 2,651,901 votes for Republican House candidates, not 2,850,537 as you wrongly claimed. In total, Pennsylvanians casted 5,425,767 votes in House races; and 5,596,499 votes for president (i.e., more votes for president than for the House).

And here's how I reached 2,651,901 votes for Republican House candidates (compared to your 2,850,537)...

District	Rep	Dem	Others
1	39,736	225,985
2	31,648	301,869	4,243
3	160,149	120,142	12,352
4	179,340	103,387	17,560
5	172,042	101,615
6	183,647	138,688
7	203,977	139,067
8	199,283	152,515
9	166,038	103,420
10	176,273	91,355
11	163,733	116,315
12	173,340	161,397
13	92,308	204,686
14	74,955	249,012
15	165,629	126,661
16	154,337	109,026	17,151
17	102,754	157,629
18	212,712	119,791
TOTAL	2,651,901	2,722,560	51,306

Pennsylvania House Election Results 2012 - Map, District Results, Live Updates - POLITICO.com