Nostalgists vs Futurists

[ocean515]

Isn't that what all this is about? When it comes to God, Jesus, Trump, Brexit, globalism, immigration, race, abortion, homosexuals, transsexuals, women, etc., we have those who long for the old days against those of us who see a future that discards those old ways.

Nostalgists envision coal miners and factory jobs as some sort of panacea. Somehow they forget how ****ty those jobs were. Maybe it's because most of them never had one of them. But, something they read or an image they saw once in a magazine sparks the memory of America when it was great. Well, let me tell ya, there is nothing great about working 12 hour days in a ****ing steel mill or down in a coal mine.

Futurists embrace a future where birth rates decline and borders disappear. We see a world where everyone can read and write and uses a computer to order the next big thing, which we then print out in our 3-D device and can use within two hours of placing our original order. We know factory jobs are a thing of the past, and we know coal is useless and out dated technology. We envision tapping energy from volcanoes and lightening not hard rock that gives people black lung to collect.


Between the two, I'm a futurist. And, I suspect the nostalgists are holding us back. They prefer to pray to their god that the candles stay lit. I want to send starships manned with robots to far off stars. We'll never agree, and maybe we may never again ever get along. It's war...perhaps even literally.

The fatal error in your dissertation is applying a label and conclusion that is pulled from your imagination.

Coal represents abundant energy which a viable growing economy can learn to use cleanly as new energy sources are developed and paid for. Manufacturing represents opportunities for workers to earn middle class incomes, as the labor portion of their effort is spread across output. How much can a plumber make per hour?

It's interesting to see these "lofty perch" op-eds that attempt to paint liberal/socialist progressive thinking as some sort of glowing orb portal to the future, while relegating everyone else as being mired behind some horse drawn plow.

It's really quite laughably elitist and narrow minded ignorant.

 

[Henrin]

Because there are too many. Duh.

And you know this for a fact how?

 

[calamity]

And you know this for a fact how?

https://www.theguardian.com/sustain...g-a-threat-to-humanity-as-it-is-to-our-oceans

Deforestation and Its Effect on the Planet

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/27/...-to-global-food-supply-report-warns.html?_r=0

https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/antibiotic_resistance.htm

http://www.everythingconnects.org/overpopulation-effects.html

 

[Henrin]

https://www.theguardian.com/sustain...g-a-threat-to-humanity-as-it-is-to-our-oceans

Yup, we need to take less from the ocean and instead farm fish more effectively.

Deforestation and Its Effect on the Planet

All that means is that we need to come up with more effective ways to do things.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/27/...-to-global-food-supply-report-warns.html?_r=0

Loss of bees has nothing to do with population numbers of humans, but with idiots that create chemicals that kill bees.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/antibiotic_resistance.htm

I'm not even sure how the antibiotic link is relevant at all since again there is no connection between it and population numbers of humans. One of the biggest causes there is improper use of medicine.

http://www.everythingconnects.org/overpopulation-effects.html

That link is propaganda.

 

[Phys251]

No. It's called difference of opinion. We all have our views on how things should be.

Also, supporting birth rates below replacement rates is pretty much the dumbest belief ever.

What? Why do you support continuing to overpopulate the Earth?

You might also want to stop listening to people that don't know two ****s about political ideology.

Problem is that said people control our government, so that's not a privilege we have right now.

 

[calamity]

Yup, we need to take less from the ocean and instead farm fish more effectively.



All that means is that we need to come up with more effective ways to do things.



Loss of bees has nothing to do with population numbers of humans, but with idiots that create chemicals that kill bees.



I'm not even sure how the antibiotic link is relevant at all since again there is no connection between it and population numbers of humans. One of the biggest causes there is improper use of medicine.



That link is propaganda.

Whoosh

 

[Henrin]

Whoosh

Not really. Over fishing of the ocean can be handled by farming fish. Farmland and livestock issues are already being looked into and if you have been paying attention it won't be long until we can just create meat and probably not long after until we can just make tomatoes and the sort. Shortage of bee issues just need people to breed bees and stop using chemicals that kill bees. Antibiotic issues require doctors to use the drugs more responsibly. Nothing you said is reason to panic or consider the world overpopulated.

 

[calamity]

Not really. Over fishing of the ocean can be handled by farming fish. Farmland and livestock issues are already being looked into and if you have been paying attention it won't be long until we can just create meat and probably not long after until we can just make tomatoes and the sort. Shortage of bee issues just need people to breed bees and stop using chemicals that kill bees. Antibiotic issues require doctors to use the drugs more responsibly. Nothing you said is reason to panic or consider the world overpopulated.

I'm a big fan of technology solving many or even most of our problems, but paving over the planet to make room for people and killing everything else just to expand areas to grow various food sources is not realistic. I guess that's where I turn into a nostalgist.