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No Hoax: Why Russia Investigation Remains One of Trump's Biggest Scandals

Hold on. For suggesting a liberal thought I am lectured about fascism, racism, history, economics.

There is a dislike in the disagreement and no respect.

There is a difference.

Please don't pretend that conservatives/GOP are willing to talk respectfully and admit when they are wrong.

I willingly admit that there are conservative Republicans way smarter than I. I also know liberal Democrats way smarter.

What happened with Russia is nerve racking. Yes, I believe mistakes were made by Democrats. I also know trump flaunted traditional norms and made statements that created red flags.

It is politics so neither side is innocent.





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Getting "lectured" on a political discussion board is one thing. Elected officials telling half the country that they are "deplorable" and that they are "racist" and that they are "hateful" is a different matter and, frankly, it isn't much of a campaign strategy.
 
The GOP has become mentally unstable documented by many of their presidents = the party is sick!


Article 1. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has obstructed the administration of justice:

1. He attempted to fire Mueller. The Mueller report found “substantial evidence . . . that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct.”

2. Trump attempted to curtail Mueller’s investigation. Mueller found “that the President’s effort to have [Attorney General Jeff] Sessions limit the scope of the Special Counsel’s investigation to future election interference was intended to prevent further investigative scrutiny of the President’s and his campaign’s conduct.”

3. He ordered White House counsel Donald McGahn to falsify the record to conceal his attempts to fire Mueller. Mueller found that Trump “acted . . . in order to deflect or prevent further scrutiny of the President’s conduct.”

4. He fired FBI Director James B. Comey, Mueller found, because of “Comey’s unwillingness to publicly state that the President was not personally under investigation.”

Moreover, Mueller wrote, by firing Comey “the President wanted to protect himself from an investigation into his campaign,” because he knew “that a thorough FBI investigation would uncover facts about the campaign and the President personally that the President could have understood to be crimes or that would give rise to personal and political concerns.” Trump showed awareness of guilt by advancing “a pretextual reason to the press and the public for Comey’s termination.”

5. He tried to dissuade Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, Roger Stone, and other witnesses from cooperating with the government. The non-cooperation of Manafort and Stone, in particular, made it impossible to establish the exact nature of the relationship between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.

Article II. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, failed to defend America from foreign election interference. As a candidate, he welcomed Russian intervention in the 2016 election and refused to notify the proper authorities of contacts between his campaign and representatives of Russia and WikiLeaks.

As president, he denied that the Russian attack had even occurred, accepted Russian President Vladimir Putin’s false denials of responsibility, and showed no interest in determining the full scale of the attack. He repeatedly called the Russia investigation a “hoax” and a “witch hunt” even though Mueller determined “that there were multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our election” and that “the matters we investigated were of paramount importance.”

Article III. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, attempted to investigate and prosecute his political opponents. On three occasions, Mueller found, Trump asked the Justice Department to initiate investigations of Hillary Clinton. More recently, Trump and his attorney, Rudolph W. Giuliani, attempted to initiate an investigation of Joe Biden.

Article IV. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, failed to produce papers and testimony as duly directed by Congress. Trump obstructed at least 20 inquiries relating to his taxes, business records, the Mueller investigation and other matters.

Article V. Donald J. Trump, in violation of federal campaign finance laws, conspired with his attorney Michael Cohen in order to conceal alleged relationships with adult film actress Stormy Daniels and Playboy playmate Karen McDougal before the 2016 election.

Article VI. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to uphold Article 1, section 9 of the Constitution (“No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law”), attempted to misuse his emergency powers to spend funds on a border wall that Congress did not appropriate.

Article VII. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to uphold the emoluments clauses (which forbid the president from accepting benefits from foreign and state governments without the permission of Congress) retains ownership of a global business empire which allows him to benefit from dealings with foreign and state governments.

ALEC GOP has committed more criminal and unconstitutional conduct under Trump than any previous president in U.S. history. The entire GOP and Trump administration must resign.

Impeach Petition #1
Sign Robert Reich's petition: Impeach Donald Trump | Democracy For America
 
Thank the anti-American ALEC GOP for COVID 19 plus 100,000 deaths. The ALEC GOP did nothing for more than 3 years .

It did not need to be this way!!! The ALEC GOP is still ill prepared.

The Trump administration is ill-prepared for a global pandemic
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...605bc6-1a49-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html
Apr 08, 2017 · April 8, 2017 The Trump administration has failed to fill crucial public health positions across the government, leaving the nation ill-prepared to face one of its greatest potential threats:

Dr. Fauci Warned In 2017 Of ‘Surprise Outbreak’ During Trump ...
Dr. Fauci Warned In 2017 Of ‘Surprise Outbreak’ During Trump Administration | HuffPost
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the U.S. government’s top infectious disease specialist, warned in early 2017 that a “surprise outbreak” would occur during the Trump administration, and he said that more needed to be done to prepare for a pandemic.
 
Not coming clean with the Americans! ALEC GOP is the enemy!

Anti American Radical Right Wing Agenda = Fascism
ALEC: The Voice of Corporate Special Interests in State Legislatures | Right Wing Watch

Koch Brothers Over Throwing The USA Government
The United States of ALEC: Bill Moyers on the Secretive Corporate-Legislative Body Writing Our Laws | Democracy Now!

Backed exclusively by:
Training Politicians To Come Off As Populists
New Koch-Linked Political Firm Aims to Handpick “Electable” Candidates – Mother Jones

Killing Public Education In the Name Of Monster Profits
Exposing ALEC's Agenda to Defund and Dismantle Public Education | HuffPost
 
Getting "lectured" on a political discussion board is one thing. Elected officials telling half the country that they are "deplorable" and that they are "racist" and that they are "hateful" is a different matter and, frankly, it isn't much of a campaign strategy.
Doesn't trump suggest the same? Socialists, anarchists, looters and rioters all lumped together in a negative label of Democrats.

He generalizes and divides as a strategy

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Doesn't trump suggest the same? Socialists, anarchists, looters and rioters all lumped together in a negative label of Democrats.

He generalizes and divides as a strategy

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Have the Democrats decried any of that? In a lot of cities they have SUPPORTED it!
 
I'm still annoyed by Mueller. He had the chance to clearly state a conclusion about his investigation. He didn't. He could have looked into Trump's financial documents. He didn't. He was a total failure as an investigator. He allowed Trump and Barr to just spin things as they wanted and trash everything they investigated.

If you did not catch on the reason mueller did not is because he played by the book, infact it seems everyone below him wanted to go full witch hunt, but mueller is experienced, and new how to do the job he was tasked with without crossing any lines or putting himself in future legal jeapardy.


I think people wanted mueller to just endlessly investigate trump without legal precedence until he found something he could charge trump with, but someone like mueller is smart enough to know his legal boundaries and what and where he can investigate, and it is doubtful if he was allowed to re run his investigation that he would change his answer unless he decided to go against the book.
 


You believe that is proof he asked for help to get reelected? He showed overconfidence that he would be reelected. He said something that I see as a bit yielding to Russian leadership, and he was rightfully attacked for doing so, but I see no signs that he was colluding to win the election nor asking for help to do so. You are reaching with that video.
 
You believe that is proof he asked for help to get reelected? He showed overconfidence that he would be reelected. He said something that I see as a bit yielding to Russian leadership, and he was rightfully attacked for doing so, but I see no signs that he was colluding to win the election nor asking for help to do so. You are reaching with that video.
He was asking Russia to act in a manner that would help him get reelected. Surely this rises to the low bar set by making a joke at a campaign rally.
 
He was asking Russia to act in a manner that would help him get reelected. Surely this rises to the low bar set by making a joke at a campaign rally.

That is not the way it was interpreted at the time in context. It was interpreted as him wanting to negotiate more after elections were over here and in Russia with a belief that negotiations would be fairly meaningless in that moment. There were allegations that Obama was suggesting negotiations would be in favor of Russia's interests. It became a talking point for Romney during debates that moderately damaged Obama's reelection chances at the time.
 
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That is not the way it was interpreted at the time in context. It was interpreted as him wanting to negotiate more after elections were over here and in Russia with a belief that negotiations would be fairly meaningless in that moment.
Well, no. It was understood to mean that he was asking Russia to delay because it might hurt him politically. He's not simply asking to wait until after the election, he makes the point that because this is his last election he'll have more "flexibility" than if it were not his last election.
 
I agree with you, but I am curious what you think of the counterargument that Former President Obama and his administration started investigating Russian collusion with his predecessor prior to leaving office? Do you feel that was at all corrupt? Do you think members of the staff who continued on and worked in The White House for both presidents, those who allegedly hindered President Trump's transition, did anything wrong?

I try to look at things from both sides, and I have not really heard non Trump supporters speak on the above much other than to say it is preposterous.

I haven't thought about that much at all. Trump and Obama are so different, I would think that if Obama is investigating Russian collusion, it's because he is concerned about foreign election interference and the good of the country. I didn't know that any members of the staff hindered Trump's transition. I don't think of it as being wrong. In Trump's case, he asked for foreign interference to cheat in the election for his own benefit only, and didn't care anything about compromising our national security or the integrity of our electoral process. He was impeached for trying to get dirt on Biden to help him in this upcoming election. To this day he's still attempting to get favors from dictators like Putin and Xi, for his own personal gain. That, to me, is very wrong.
 
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