No Evidence.............

[AlphaOmega]

No, because he is a criminal. Not so hilarious.



OK. Just remember what goes around comes around. Be careful what game you choose to play.

Remember, what happens in this impeachment hearing is precedent for future ones.

Yeah hes a criminal in your imaginations. There is 0 evidence that Trump has done anything wrong. Zeeero. Zip, zilch, nada.

 

[AlphaOmega]

Whether they are doing what you say they are doing that is not the point of the OP. The point of the OP is whether new evidence of guilt "or" innocence should be allowed to be shown. Evidence is not partisan. It is the truth and uncovers the truth. Both Republicans and Democrats should be looking for the truth. It is something everyone should seek, no matter the party.

Are you saying you are not for evidence to be shown that would make the accusation either true "or" false. If you are so convinced that Trump has done no wrong, you should be supporting all evidence being shown, right?

Only a guilty party does not want evidence shown! That is a universal truth that has no bias attached to it.

Im ok with witnesses. Are you ok with Joe Biden and his cokehead son getting on the stand? Adam Schiff isnt.

 

[vegas giants]

Whether they are doing what you say they are doing that is not the point of the OP. The point of the OP is whether new evidence of guilt "or" innocence should be allowed to be shown. Evidence is not partisan. It is the truth and uncovers the truth. Both Republicans and Democrats should be looking for the truth. It is something everyone should seek, no matter the party.

Are you saying you are not for evidence to be shown that would make the accusation either true "or" false. If you are so convinced that Trump has done no wrong, you should be supporting all evidence being shown, right?

Only a guilty party does not want evidence shown! That is a universal truth that has no bias attached to it.

Trump is terrified the truth will get out

 

[Deuce]

So tell us why didn't the Democrats subpoena Bolton to testify prior to sending the impeachment articles over?
Why didn't the Democrats go to the courts to press the issue prior to sending the impeachment articles over?
Why now?

Because Trump’s blocking that information became its own cause for impeachment, obstruction of Congress. Not that you care about that.

 

[Logician Man]

Of course they don't. Dems can't impeach for that thats why they make stuff up for their useful idiots to gorge themselves on. Do you think it's a coincidence dems said they were going to impeach Trump before theu claimed to have a reason to do it? That alone should trigger your full of ****dar but it didn't. I find that fascinating.

It was a logical assumption based on Trump's past history of bigotry, racism, and all around low-life, disrespect for women, to mention a few of his better qualities. His Impeachment was/is well deserved. He clearly withheld funds from Ukraine for personal gain to help him win in November. It backfired, he got caught, he's obstructing justice, and he has only himself to blame for his well deserved Impeachment.But not to worry, he will most likely be removed from further disgracing the Oval Office sooner than later.

 

[Luckyone]

Im ok with witnesses. Are you ok with Joe Biden and his cokehead son getting on the stand? Adam Schiff isnt.

I am okay with any witnesses getting on the stand that go to prove or disprove what Trump is being accused of. I don't know of anything that Biden could say that would go anything for or against Trump insofar as the fact he is accused of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress, but if there is something he could prove or disprove about those charges, then of course he should be called.

Evidence is evidence, no matter where it comes from.

 

[HumblePi]

The Democrats don't want truth. They want their narrative to be validated.

Did you see the desks that both sides were sitting on? The one on the right where Trump's team sat was neat and tidy with just a few small leather-bound briefs laying on top. The democrats table was a mess with piles of documents, narratives, evidentiary statements, photocopies of texts, emails, chronologically compiled depositions, etc.

The democrats came prepared to lay out a case filled to the eyeballs with evidence while Trump's lying lawyers came prepared with lies and obfuscations just attempting to muddy the waters without clearly presenting a shred of exculpatory evidence.

 

[Logician Man]

Trump is terrified the truth will get out

Trump also suffers from a very severe case of Ancraophobia/Anemophobia, as well as Ombrophobia. That flared up in France during the WW1 Veterans Memorial he refused to attend.

 

[Lutherf]

You may be 100% right. If you are though, then it makes no sense for the Republicans not allowing the truth to come out, right? After all, the people they want testifying are all "Republicans" that work or worked for Trump. They are HIS team. and as such, should be biased for him and not against him, right? If Mulvaney, Pompeo and Bolton testified they would be "for" Trump and not against him, unless of course, they value truth over lies and value not being accused of perjury. Why not allow them to testify? How would their testimony support the Democratic narrative if they testify that Trump did no wrong?

See is you can answer that question!

There is something else beside impeachment that's going on with this process instigated by Democrats. The Democrats are trying to change our very form of government. They want to get rid of the Constitutional Republic and implement a parliamentary system based on Social Justice. They want their "Social Democracy" and are using this process to sway the American public to their way of thinking. We have seen this process bubble up in reaction to the Trayvon Martin case, the Mike Brown case, the Kavanaugh confirmation, abuse of public accommodations laws, reaction to border security and immigration policy and, most distinctly, the opposition to the Electoral College. In order to effect a change such as transition to a new form of government the Democrats need to get the people to believe in a few concepts that our Constitution expressly protects against. The first of those concepts is that "justice" is whatever the majority of the population says it is. That's why we have seen guys like Robert Mueller claim that his investigation couldn't exonerate the accused. That's why we have seen the Senate Judiciary Committee savage Justice Kavanaugh over baseless accusations from 40 years ago and that's why a whole bevy of Democrats are this week arguing that Trump needs to clear his own name. It's a seductive argument because we all want to live a life free from unfounded accusations but if that kind of thinking is allowed to metastasize the result is that it turns the entire concept of individual liberty on which this nation was founded around backward.

If the "Social Justice" method is adopted in this country then we will no longer be a self-governing nation. We will become a nation of subjects forever under the thumb of a ruling class which chooses our destinies for us and punishes us when we fail to properly appreciate their "benevolence".

 

[Lutherf]

Did you see the desks that both sides were sitting on? The one on the right where Trump's team sat was neat and tidy with just a few small leather-bound briefs laying on top. The democrats table was a mess with piles of documents, narratives, evidentiary statements, photocopies of texts, emails, chronologically compiled depositions, etc.

The democrats came prepared to lay out a case filled to the eyeballs with evidence while Trump's lying lawyers came prepared with lies and obfuscations just attempting to muddy the waters without clearly presenting a shred of exculpatory evidence.

The Democrats came to put on the season finale of their made for TV political drama. The Republicans came to insure that the protections of the Constitution were properly held.

 

[Craig234]

It’s not a crime just because half of the House in party lines says so.

So, what's your definition of what makes a presidential crime?

 

[HumblePi]

The Democrats came to put on the season finale of their made for TV political drama. The Republicans came to insure that the protections of the Constitution were properly held.

The democrats came prepared and armed with mountains of evidence that Trump not only abused his power, but broke the law.

 

[Luckyone]

There is something else beside impeachment that's going on with this process instigated by Democrats. The Democrats are trying to change our very form of government. They want to get rid of the Constitutional Republic and implement a parliamentary system based on Social Justice. They want their "Social Democracy" and are using this process to sway the American public to their way of thinking. We have seen this process bubble up in reaction to the Trayvon Martin case, the Mike Brown case, the Kavanaugh confirmation, abuse of public accommodations laws, reaction to border security and immigration policy and, most distinctly, the opposition to the Electoral College. In order to effect a change such as transition to a new form of government the Democrats need to get the people to believe in a few concepts that our Constitution expressly protects against. The first of those concepts is that "justice" is whatever the majority of the population says it is. That's why we have seen guys like Robert Mueller claim that his investigation couldn't exonerate the accused. That's why we have seen the Senate Judiciary Committee savage Justice Kavanaugh over baseless accusations from 40 years ago and that's why a whole bevy of Democrats are this week arguing that Trump needs to clear his own name. It's a seductive argument because we all want to live a life free from unfounded accusations but if that kind of thinking is allowed to metastasize the result is that it turns the entire concept of individual liberty on which this nation was founded around backward.

If the "Social Justice" method is adopted in this country then we will no longer be a self-governing nation. We will become a nation of subjects forever under the thumb of a ruling class which chooses our destinies for us and punishes us when we fail to properly appreciate their "benevolence".

This OP is exclusively about uncovering the truth about whether Trump abused his power and obstructed Congress through evidence being provided. If that is accomplished, the only winner is the TRUTH!. Don't we ALL want the truth?

You did not answer the salient question and tried to change the subject. I suppose you did that because you did not WANT to answer the question given that it would not be in favor of your idol Trump, even though it would support the truth coming out.

It has become evident that you are trying to mimic the people you are complaining about by trying to ply your political platform the same way you are accusing the Democrats of doing. Shame on you! You seem to be of the same ilk than those you bi*ch about.

I am not plying any political platform. I am plying a search for truth.

 

[HumblePi]

The Democrats came to put on the season finale of their made for TV political drama. The Republicans came to insure that the protections of the Constitution were properly held.

By having Trump's lawyers lie in front of the Supreme Court Justice? That's not really a wise strategy considering the stakes.

 

[Moon]

The OP is not about parties but about laws and the Constitution.


Are you are against evidence that proves guilt or innocence being provided? Are you for the defendant deciding what evidence can be provided and which not? Are you against our established laws?

This is the question in the OP. There is nothing in the OP that talks about Party.

What you should be talking about is how this is a political process completely governed by the whims of the House and the Senate. It is not a criminal trial to determine guilt or innocence. The Senate can conduct it however they decide to, and are not bound by any laws regarding trial proceedings or rules of evidence.

It’s not about fairness. It’s not about justice. It’s 100% about politics.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Our legal system presumes innocence. Our democrats do not. Our sense of fairness relates to the accused, not the prosecutors.

That is correct. And the time to procure witnesses and evidence was when Adam Schiff and Nancy was in charge. They came empty handed and want republicans to fill their hands.

 

[Lutherf]

This OP is exclusively about uncovering the truth about whether Trump abused his power and obstructed Congress through evidence being provided. If that is accomplished, the only winner is the TRUTH!. Don't we ALL want the truth?

You did not answer the salient question and tried to change the subject. I suppose you did that because you did not WANT to answer the question given that it would not be in favor of your idol Trump, even though it would support the truth coming out.

It has become evident that you are trying to mimic the people you are complaining about by trying to ply your political platform the same way you are accusing the Democrats of doing. Shame on you! You seem to be of the same ilk than those you bi*ch about.

I am not plying any political platform. I am plying a search for truth.

Mueller didn't uncover the "truth" about Trump. Cohen didn't expose the "truth" about Trump. Schiff literally made up the "truth" about Trump and then failed to prove even what he had up. Now Democrats want the Senate to find the "truth" about Trump.

Maybe the truth already is out there and maybe that truth is exactly what I said it is.

 

[Lutherf]

What you should be talking about is how this is a political process completely governed by the whims of the House and the Senate. It is not a criminal trial to determine guilt or innocence. The Senate can conduct it however they decide to, and are not bound by any laws regarding trial proceedings or rules of evidence.

It’s not about fairness. It’s not about justice. It’s 100% about politics.

Which, frankly, is rather sad. At one point in our nation's history impeachment would have been about justice and fairness.

 

[Luckyone]

What you should be talking about is how this is a political process completely governed by the whims of the House and the Senate. It is not a criminal trial to determine guilt or innocence. The Senate can conduct it however they decide to, and are not bound by any laws regarding trial proceedings or rules of evidence.

It’s not about fairness. It’s not about justice. It’s 100% about politics.

Yes it is and the people paying the price is the nation. Politics will never leave us as it is part of our style of government but there should be occasions when the health of the nation should come first (above politics) and on those few occasions where that important situation develops is when we know whether the political or patriotic feelings are of first importance in each person.

On those singular occasions, history will remember who was a patriot and who was a political hack. This applies to both parties. The deciding factor on those occasions will be truth and not politics.

For example, some stealing might be acceptable (such as stealing an apple to feed your family) but on those occasions where stealing ended up hurting an innocent person, politics should be put aside and the overall health of the person/nation should take precedence.

 

[What if...?]

The Democrats don't want truth. They want their narrative to be validated.

Well, if it didn't happpen, then a whole bunch of people lied under oath.

And trump has that evidence, if so.

So why has no one been arrested and charged with perjury?

Somebody is lying.

Or crazy.

Still haven't ever gotten a trump supporter to explain the second "ask" in the "perfect" call.

Maybe you can do it.

What's up with the DNC servers hidden in Ukraine by one of their "rich guys" at their business Crowdstrike?

Your "stable genius" might as well have asked for a genuine unicorn horn.

So lets hear your take on that.

 

[Luckyone]

Mueller didn't uncover the "truth" about Trump. Cohen didn't expose the "truth" about Trump. Schiff literally made up the "truth" about Trump and then failed to prove even what he had up. Now Democrats want the Senate to find the "truth" about Trump.

Maybe the truth already is out there and maybe that truth is exactly what I said it is.

I once again ask, why don't the Republicans want the Republicans that are in-the-know-about-Ukraine and work for Trump to testify? I have asked this question a thousand times and no one has been able to answer it.

Republicans that work for Trump and are in favor of Trump would be the perfect witnesses to exonerate Trump, wouldn't they be? By allowing them to testify, not only would Trump be able to show his innocence beyond a reasonable doubt but prove at the same time that the Democrats are on a which hunt?

Isn't all of that what Trump wants? Why is he and McConnell stopping it from happening?

 

[Lutherf]

I once again ask, why don't the Republicans want the Republicans in-the-know-about-Ukraine to testify. I have asked this question a thousand times and no one has been able to answer it.

Republicans that work for Trump and are in favor of Trump would be the perfect witnesses in favor of Trump, wouldn't they be? By allowing them to testify, not only would Trump be able to show his innocence beyond a reasonable doubt but prove at the same time that the Democrats are on a which hunt?

Isn't all of that what Trump wants? Why is he and McConnell stopping it from happening?

It's not their job to testify about something that Schiff simply made up.

 

[azgreg]

tweet

In an incredible exchange at Davos, @realdonaldtrump admits he is comfortable with the status of the impeachment trial because the White House is withholding evidence. "Honestly, we have all the material. They don't have the material." As always, he says the quiet part out loud.

The above tweet has a video where Trump is bragging about withholding evidence.

 

[Moon]

Which, frankly, is rather sad. At one point in our nation's history impeachment would have been about justice and fairness.

Even the first impeachment was 100% political engineered by a Congress who hated the President.

I think what’s happened over the last 20 years is both parties have lowered the bar to impeachment so much that in the future it will essentially be a routine event.

 

[Manc Skipper]

If new evidence is disallowed, then new impeachments are the obvious way to go.The only multiple impeached President has a certain ring...