No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump[W:400]******

[Linc]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Do you know what the term informal means???? There is NO HASTERT RULE AS OFFICIAL POLICY. This is just another lie from you. Is there no end to your distortions?

Why do republicans have to get 218 votes out of their own caucus if there's no Hastert rule?

Or was it 216 out of 430 on trumpcare since there are 5 vacancies?

So of course I've proven that there's been a Hastert rule for over 20 years and you calling me a liar about it is a blatant irrational lie, Conservative .

 

[iguanaman]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Great but what you forget is that the left thinks the American people stupid which is why you lost the election. Seems that the truly stupid people are the ones supporting all the distortion, diversion, and radical activities trying to destroy the Trump Presidency 60 days after taking office totally ignoring the Obama record his first TWO years.

You just don't get it, you want someone to tell you what you want to hear then do what the hell they want which is what Obama did and why the record doesn't match your rhetoric. The American people get it, Hillary was an incompetent lying bitch who is a multi millionaire because of people like you who pay to listen to her speeches and ignore what she did

If the parties were reversed you would be screaming "the Ruskies are coming" louder than anybody so your "rightous indignation" is rejected. If you can't see how abhorrent even the hint of a successful hijacking of our election by the Russian Czar Putin is then I have difficulty finding anything but partisanship that guides you. Selling your soul to get what you want is a dangerous thing. Would you even care if Trump was being controlled and guided by Putin? Perhaps you think Putin's interests are more in line with yours and the USA should be brought down a notch or 2 so he would not feel so outclassed? Maybe a lot of Trump supporters are closet Putin fans? That would explain a lot. Hell you might even be a Russian bot...:lol:

 

[lurchadams]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

If they suggested single payer the Democrats would still oppose them simply because it would be a Trump policy. Hell, if the Republicans proposed giving everyone $1M, a pony and a lifetime supply of ice cream the democrats (and any Republicans associated with McCain) would oppose it just because it was a Trump thing.

Why don't you just admit that the GOP are great at some things, like preaching against gay people while having secret gay sex in restrooms, or naming buildings after Reagan?

Yet when the right-wing/GOP party attempts to govern, they fail miserably, while blaming the Dems for their flailing around helplessly.

So, sad, so sick, it's like McCarthyism, worse than watergate.

 

[Conservative]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Why do republicans have to get 218 votes out of their own caucus if there's no Hastert rule?

Or was it 216 out of 430 on trumpcare since there are 5 vacancies?

So of course I've proven that there's been a Hastert rule for over 20 years and you calling me a liar about it is a blatant irrational lie, Conservative .

I am sorry but you simply aren't worth it any more. Lincoln said it best when he said that "A house divided cannot stand" and you are doing your best to destroy a Presidency after 65 days in office. You have a serious problem and I no longer am going to feed a troll. I really don't give a damn about ACA or Trumpcare, I want jobs, economic activity, and national security. All you are doing is focusing on minutia as well as trumped up charges.

 

[Conservative]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

If the parties were reversed you would be screaming "the Ruskies are coming" louder than anybody so your "rightous indignation" is rejected. If you can't see how abhorrent even the hint of a successful hijacking of our election by the Russian Czar Putin is then I have difficulty finding anything but partisanship that guides you. Selling your soul to get what you want is a dangerous thing. Would you even care if Trump was being controlled and guided by Putin? Perhaps you think Putin's interests are more in line with yours and the USA should be brought down a notch or 2 so he would not feel so outclassed? Maybe a lot of Trump supporters are closet Putin fans? That would explain a lot. Hell you might even be a Russian bot...:lol:

No, sorry, I wouldn't because I understand that what you are doing is nothing more than promoting a leftwing agenda and no matter what I say you aren't going to agree. There is absolutely nothing Trump can do to gain your respect because you have been indoctrinated into a ideology that is a failure wherever tried but you don't get it. The election wasn't hacked, there were no votes changed and believe it or not the American electorate is a lot smarter than you. You obviously have no understanding of civics and no answer to my question as to what control Russia would ever have over Trump. Yours is a cold war rhetoric and mentality ignoring the real problem jobs, economic growth, and national security. China affects all areas but you are too blind to see it. You are so right I am a Russian bot but name calling is all you ever have. I am getting tired of kicking your ass

 

[Blue_State]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

i just want to make sure...we are upset that the conservatives are a group of like minded groups, yet they don't vote as a block entirely. Like the democrats. Am I getting this right?

Government is working in my opinion.

 

[iguanaman]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

No, sorry, I wouldn't because I understand that what you are doing is nothing more than promoting a leftwing agenda and no matter what I say you aren't going to agree. There is absolutely nothing Trump can do to gain your respect because you have been indoctrinated into a ideology that is a failure wherever tried but you don't get it. The election wasn't hacked, there were no votes changed and believe it or not the American electorate is a lot smarter than you. You obviously have no understanding of civics and no answer to my question as to what control Russia would ever have over Trump. Yours is a cold war rhetoric and mentality ignoring the real problem jobs, economic growth, and national security. China affects all areas but you are too blind to see it. You are so right I am a Russian bot but name calling is all you ever have. I am getting tired of kicking your ass

LOL Thanks for the explanation. I will just tell you that if Trump did collude with Putin, he's going down. He won't be the first GOP President to resign and my guess is he won't be the last either.

 

[billmesh]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Long way to go...but, looks like

Obamacare 1; Trumpettes 0

American citizens 0; failed government 1


We try so hard to prove each other wrong that we don't do the country right

Sent from my LG-H910 using Tapatalk

 

[Moderate Right]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Why did the terrible trumpcare bill fail ?

Because it was terrible, although slightly better than Obamacare.

 

[Moderate Right]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Stay focused on getting rid of the Hastert rule here in 2017 .

Nice dodge. I'll take you pathetic surrender that Harry Reid was the top obstructionist in the Senate. Hell, the guy even refused to submit budgets he was so bad.

 

[Moderate Right]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Yes, it IS bad for them. In the meeting that Trump had with Congressional leaders, he blew up and told them, if they couldn't pass it, it would hurt his chances for reelection, although I don't believe he's going to make it until next election.

This was supposed to have been an ideological victory for them. Instead it has turned into a huge defeat. Not even a lot of Republicans liked the bill, and they were going to vote against it too.

Look, Republicans control Congress and the Presidency, but they don't control the American people, who put tons of pressure on their own Republican Congressmen, who want to keep their jobs in 2018. If Republicans truly want to come out as heroes instead of Bozos, they need to put something on the table that is not extremist. Otherwise, they are going to be in a world of hurt come midterm elections.

Obama and the Democrats controlled Congress and the Presidency, but they din't control the American people, hence giving Republicans the most control of any party since 1928.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

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We don't need anything better, Healthcare is a personal responsibility issue let the states handle it. You guys? I wasn't for ACA in the first place so I have nothing to replace. You want someone else to pay for your insurance? I doubt that as I believe you just want the issue and the power

The irony of this coming from someone who in another thread pointed out they were on Medicare.

 

[Conservative]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

LOL Thanks for the explanation. I will just tell you that if Trump did collude with Putin, he's going down. He won't be the first GOP President to resign and my guess is he won't be the last either.

With no votes changed you are living in that leftwing little dream world. Why don't you tell us exactly what you want from a President since pro growth, job creation, and national security aren't apparently your priorities?

 

[Conservative]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

The irony of this coming from someone who in another thread pointed out they were on Medicare.

Yes, I am on Medicare, FORCED ON IT which you apparently you don't understand. I paid for my Medicare through my forced contributions. It really is sad that you have no idea what taxes you pay and their purpose. Medicare SUCKS and you are going to find out some day just how great that GOVT. RUN MANDATE SINGLE PAYER system is

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Yes, I am on Medicare, FORCED ON IT which you apparently you don't understand. I paid for my Medicare through my forced contributions. It really is sad that you have no idea what taxes you pay and their purpose. Medicare SUCKS and you are going to find out some day just how great that GOVT. RUN MANDATE SINGLE PAYER system is

You are not forced on Medicare. If it is so terrible, you could try to get private insurance instead. What do you reckon a policy in the private sector would run someone over the age of 65? Maybe what 20k a year from age 65 to 69, 35k a year from age 70 to 75, 50k a year from age 76 to 79? So its doable right. Take a stand against that horrible socialism and open your wallet up. After all, considering that most Medicare beneficiaries get far more paid out to them to pay for their medical care than they paid in, you certainly would not want to be some moocher off the taxpayer would you?

 

[Conservative]

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You are not forced on Medicare. If it is so terrible, you could try to get private insurance instead. What do you reckon a policy in the private sector would run someone over the age of 65? Maybe what 20k a year from age 65 to 69, 35k a year from age 70 to 75, 50k a year from age 76 to 79? So its doable right. Take a stand against that horrible socialism and open your wallet up. After all, considering that most Medicare beneficiaries get far more paid out to them to pay for their medical care than they paid in, you certainly would not want to be some moocher off the taxpayer would you?

You certainly don't understand your taxes do you? YES, I WAS FORCED ONTO MEDICARE and then had to purchase a supplement because my doctor did what a lot of doctors didn't do take that govt. mandated program. One of these days people like you are going to get it, the federal govt. isn't the answer to your personal responsibility issues and that single payer system you want isn't what you think it is. Love how younger people are such an expert on something they don't even participate in.

If you are working and have a job you are "CONTRIBUTING" to SS and Medicare. After 35 years or at age 65 you can throw that investment away and do what you propose that I and everyone else over 65 do. There is a reason so many liberals are failures in business, they have no problem throwing away 35 years of contributions.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

You certainly don't understand your taxes do you? YES, I WAS FORCED ONTO MEDICARE

You didn't pay for your Medicare when you were working, you were paying for the Medicare of the beneficiaries at the time. Right now, you are a beneficiary of Medicare, and I am paying for your Medicare.

and then had to purchase a supplement because my doctor did what a lot of doctors didn't do take that govt. mandated program.

You take a supplement the same reason everyone on Medicare Part A and B take a supplement (or go with Medicare Advantage), it is to pay for care that Medicare doesn't cover.

One of these days people like you are going to get it, the federal govt. isn't the answer to your personal responsibility issues and that single payer system you want isn't what you think it is. Love how younger people are such an expert on something they don't even participate in.

If you are working and have a job you are "CONTRIBUTING" to SS and Medicare. After 35 years or at age 65 you can throw that investment away and do what you propose that I and everyone else over 65 do. There is a reason so many liberals are failures in business, they have no problem throwing away 35 years of contributions.

Once again, you didn't pay for your Medicare, you paid for those that were on it at the time. Similarly, right now I am not paying for my Medicare, I am paying for yours.

The reason why we have Medicare is that there is no way from an actuarial standpoint that any insurance company could sell medical coverage to those aged 65 and older at a price they could make any money off of and at a cost that anyone that age could afford. Medicare is simply a recognition that seniors represent a huge financial risk in terms of healthcare thus the reason why it required a public sector solution. Medicare is not a huge expensive government program because its somehow wasteful and inefficient. Its a big expensive government program because healthcare for seniors is very, very expensive. You should be thanking God that LBJ signed it into law because if it were not for Medicare, there is no way (unless you are a multimillionaire) that you could ever afford health coverage through the private sector as a senior. It would be extremely expensive for someone aged 65 and every year it would only get more and more expensive as they got older and were more of a risk to the insurer.

 

[Conservative]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

SouthernDemocrat;1067029471]You didn't pay for your Medicare when you were working, you were paying for the Medicare of the beneficiaries at the time. Right now, you are a beneficiary of Medicare, and I am paying for your Medicare.

Thank you, and why is that? why didn't my contributions go into that promised lockbox and used to fund my Medicare as promised by the Federal Govt??

You take a supplement the same reason everyone on Medicare Part A and B take a supplement (or go with Medicare Advantage), it is to pay for care that Medicare doesn't cover.

Yes, paid for Medicare and paid for the Supplement and you have no problem with that, do you? Wonder if your tone will change when you find out the choices you have with Medicare?

Once again, you didn't pay for your Medicare, you paid for those that were on it at the time. Similarly, right now I am not paying for my Medicare, I am paying for yours.

Yes, I did pay for MY MEDICARE and when you answer the question I posed you will figure out why

The reason why we have Medicare is that there is no way from an actuarial standpoint that any insurance company could sell medical coverage to those aged 65 and older at a price they could make any money off of and at a cost that anyone that age could afford. Medicare is simply a recognition that seniors represent a huge financial risk in terms of healthcare thus the reason why it required a public sector solution. Medicare is not a huge expensive government program because its somehow wasteful and inefficient. Its a big expensive government program because healthcare for seniors is very, very expensive. You should be thanking God that LBJ signed it into law because if it were not for Medicare, there is no way (unless you are a multimillionaire) that you could ever afford health coverage through the private sector as a senior. It would be extremely expensive for someone aged 65 and every year it would only get more and more expensive as they got older and were more of a risk to the insurer.

So fast forward to ACA and another single payer system for 330 million Americans less those on Medicare who don't participate in ACA. You just don't get it and never will. This is a state and local issue not a Federal Issue and being forced to pay into a Govt. mandated single payer system shifts that responsibility to the federal taxpayer and not the state.

One of these days you are going to realize that there is a Federal Budget, State budget, and local budget. Every dollar taken out of the state in Federal Taxes is a dollar that isn't used by the states to handle social issues like this. What you and the rest of the left seems to want is a Single budget funding all your personal choice items and taking responsibility away from the states. You don't seem to understand that in countries that have a single payer none have 50 sovereign states with their own budgets and all those countries fund their healthcare both directly and indirectly with other taxes. What you are seeing at various sites aren't the true costs of healthcare for those single payer systems.

 

[Greenbeard]

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Yes, I did pay for MY MEDICARE and when you answer the question I posed you will figure out why

You paid for the Medicare of someone in some previous generation. I pay for your Medicare. If Ryan succeeds and slashes your benefits, I get a tax cut.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Why won't you discuss the 'Hastert Rule', which has given the Freedom Caucus all of its power? There's only 37 of them. They chased Boehner and Boehner predicted this mess a month ago.

Your problem is you're losing some of your 50-member moderates in the Tuesday group to please the HFC. Once the 5 special elections fill the house, 4 that are GOP seats and assuming you lose none, you can only lose 23 of the 241 GOPs by the Hastert rule.

This is the same HFC that cost us the grand bargain in 2011 and the ensuing credit downgrade. If you lose all 37 HFCs, you can surely bet on Pelosi delivering 14 DEMs to get to 218 if DEMs have input, probably more like 80 or 90.

If you give me another very short reply, I'll give up with you again .

You are free to "give up" any time. I don't post about the Hastert Rule because that's internal GOP business of no concern to me. Your attempts to push me into the GOP have become tiresome.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Success and trump have not been used in the same sentence for the last 65 days, especially from GOPs .

I suspect your prejudice is coloring your analysis.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

LOL Actually his 37% approval is a guarantee of his failure. A President power to pursue his agenda is based on his approval ratings.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/analysis-presidential-agenda-setting-carlton-smith

You are confusing your hopes with analysis.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Debate Politics does not talk about the depth of a poster's hatred. Not even GOPs like you can describe trump as a success. It's posts like yours that cause DEMs to go back to the highly successful scorched earth obstruction of Cantor and McConnell .

I have no stake in Trump beyond my hope for good things for our country. Dems are free to adopt any tactics they wish. Your attempts to identify me with the GOP are tiresome.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Great but what you forget is that the left thinks the American people stupid which is why you lost the election. Seems that the truly stupid people are the ones supporting all the distortion, diversion, and radical activities trying to destroy the Trump Presidency 60 days after taking office totally ignoring the Obama record his first TWO years.

You just don't get it, you want someone to tell you what you want to hear then do what the hell they want which is what Obama did and why the record doesn't match your rhetoric. The American people get it, Hillary was an incompetent lying bitch who is a multi millionaire because of people like you who pay to listen to her speeches and ignore what she did

What's wrong with thinking people are stupid?

Trump called the people of Iowa stupid, and still carried the state.

 

[mbig]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

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Once again, you didn't pay for your Medicare, you paid for those that were on it at the time. Similarly, right now I am not paying for my Medicare, I am paying for yours.

The reason why we have Medicare is that there is no way from an actuarial standpoint that any insurance company could sell medical coverage to those aged 65 and older at a price they could make any money off of and at a cost that anyone that age could afford. Medicare is simply a recognition that seniors represent a huge financial risk in terms of healthcare thus the reason why it required a public sector solution. Medicare is not a huge expensive government program because its somehow wasteful and inefficient. Its a big expensive government program because healthcare for seniors is very, very expensive. You should be thanking God that LBJ signed it into law because if it were not for Medicare, there is no way (unless you are a multimillionaire) that you could ever afford health coverage through the private sector as a senior. It would be extremely expensive for someone aged 65 and every year it would only get more and more expensive as they got older and were more of a risk to the insurer.

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Yes, I did pay for MY MEDICARE and when you answer the question I posed you will figure out why
So fast forward to ACA and another single payer system for 330 million Americans less those on Medicare who don't participate in ACA. You just don't get it and never will. This is a state and local issue not a Federal Issue and being forced to pay into a Govt. mandated single payer system shifts that responsibility to the federal taxpayer and not the state.
One of these days you are going to realize that there is a Federal Budget, State budget, and local budget. Every dollar taken out of the state in Federal Taxes is a dollar that isn't used by the states to handle social issues like this. What you and the rest of the left seems to want is a Single budget funding all your personal choice items and taking responsibility away from the states. You don't seem to understand that in countries that have a single payer none have 50 sovereign states with their own budgets and all those countries fund their healthcare both directly and indirectly with other taxes. What you are seeing at various sites aren't the true costs of healthcare for those single payer systems.

Just as there is no way reasonably policies can be written for 65 and older..
the same is true for pre-existing..
and those who can't afford market rate: app 10% of the population.

So why not Single Payer for everyone?
You seem to acknowledge Medicare works. It does spectacularly well for me.
My cost (Medicare's highest base rate: 100, 200, 400), including the best supplementals: 290 more), went down by 2/3 from my previous Aetna policy.

Medicare pays out 96% of it's revenues to actual health care, Private cos, 85%, and that 85 is only because it was legislated to avoid greed.
100 Private Ins cos, 100 CEOs, 100 mgts, etc, etc, are inefficient and costly.