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[Fiddytree]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

'Just more government power and government control will make everything all right'
Who the ****S brilliant idea is this?

The Heritage Foundation?

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[JANFU]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

The Heritage Foundation?

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Americans want their health care. The genie is out of the bottle.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Americans want their health care. The genie is out of the bottle.

And we refuse to either pay for it or do it well.

 

[apdst]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

I agree. Clearly ObamaCare was designed to do only one thing, which is to usher in single payer, and total government control over the electorate's health and healthcare, regardless of how large the percentage of the electorate's objection to it.

'Just more government power and government control will make everything all right'
Who the ****S brilliant idea is this?

You're exactly right! It was rigged from the git-go.

 

[apdst]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Americans want their health care. The genie is out of the bottle.

Middle classers don't want to pay twice-as-much+, in order to pay someone elses.

 

[Visbek]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

That's fair. I didn't get the impression that this bill was going to be a significant enough step forward, but cautiously note that it might have been better than an imploding ObamaCare.

Sure... If you believe that providing health coverage to people is a bad thing.

There is no question that the AHCA would have resulted in less coverage, worse plans, distorted subsidies, disastrous incentives and no change to premiums -- unless, of course, you are perfectly happy cutting premium costs by insurers offering ****tier plans.

And no, the ACA is not "imploding." This is a conservative myth.

ACA collapsing ?on its own?? Not so, experts say | McClatchy DC

Trump says Obamacare 'is collapsing.' Here's what he's getting wrong - LA Times

Fact check: Obamacare is not in a "death spiral" - CBS News

etc

 

[JANFU]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

And we refuse to either pay for it or do it well.

I have no idea where you stand on this?

 

[eohrnberger]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Middle classers don't want to pay twice-as-much+, in order to pay someone elses.

And, as always, the shrinking middle class are the ones that get stuck with the bill.

 

[eohrnberger]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Sure... If you believe that providing health coverage to people is a bad thing.

There is no question that the AHCA would have resulted in less coverage, worse plans, distorted subsidies, disastrous incentives and no change to premiums -- unless, of course, you are perfectly happy cutting premium costs by insurers offering ****tier plans.

And no, the ACA is not "imploding." This is a conservative myth.

ACA collapsing ?on its own?? Not so, experts say | McClatchy DC

Trump says Obamacare 'is collapsing.' Here's what he's getting wrong - LA Times

Fact check: Obamacare is not in a "death spiral" - CBS News

etc

Well, if that's the case, then everything will be dandy peachy fine then. :roll:

 

[eohrnberger]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

The Heritage Foundation?

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The Heritage Foundation wrote ObamaCare? News to me.

Last I heard was that ObamaCare was passed on Democrat votes only. It's their petard to be hoisted on.

 

[apdst]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

And, as always, the shrinking middle class are the ones that get stuck with the bill.

We're the backbone of the country. That's why the Libbos hate us; we can't be controlled.

 

[mbig]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Long way to go...but, looks like

Obamacare 1; Trumpettes 0

You heard it here first, a month ago.
https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...ays-repealing-obamacare-not-going-happen.html

Boehner’s ’Bamacare Bombshell
Clifton Leaf
Feb 24, 2017
Obamacare: John Boehner Says Repeal and Replace Unlikley | Fortune.com

...
"In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans Never, Ever One time Agreed on what a Healthcare proposal should look like. Not once.”
As Boehner concluded, “Most of the Affordable Care Act, the framework, is going to stay there.”​

 

[Absentglare]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Well, if that's the case, then everything will be dandy peachy fine then. :roll:

As is all too often the case, the best thing for the American people is for republicans to do what they're good at: absolutely nothing.

 

[TobyOne]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

That may have been the long term plan until the public option was nixed. Obamacare is not sustainable. Period. The party that owns healthcare is the party thats in trouble. As of now, thats still the democrats.

If agree if the country wanted single payer Sanders would have won the election.

I have read several articles that said Obamacare by design was meant to fail so the left could usher in single payer.

Don't know if that is true are not. What I do know to be fact is Obamacare is failing.

 

[eohrnberger]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

We're the backbone of the country. That's why the Libbos hate us; we can't be controlled.

I'd revise that to "We resist being controlled".

It's the resistance to the 'wisdom' (tyranny) of the liberal / progressive overlords that is most distressing to them, they all like to think their ideas are correct and infallible (which is just a huge joke on them). Their illusionary omnipotence is just another form of their inflated self egos.

 

[TobyOne]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Do nothing and more importantly stop stupid things from happening.

As is all too often the case, the best thing for the American people is for republicans to do what they're good at: absolutely nothing.

 

[Visbek]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

The Heritage Foundation wrote ObamaCare? News to me.

It shouldn't be.

Heritage and Romney developed most of the key components, including:

• Individual and business mandates
• Guaranteed issue
• Medicaid expansion
• Income-based subsidies
• Exchanges

The ACA is obviously much larger in scope, and is more extensive. But much of its core is a conservative idea. You will eventually need health insurance, and we don't want anyone freeloading, so we make people pay -- just like we do car insurance. (Romney called this the "personal responsibility principle.") We set up exchanges, to put insurers into direct competition with one another, and make it easy for consumers.

 

[Visbek]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Well, if that's the case, then everything will be dandy peachy fine then. :roll:

It'll be significantly better than kicking 20+ million people off of their health insurance.

 

[Top Cat]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

They don't own it because it was never repealed and replaced. .

Tell that to the voters in 2018.

 

[eohrnberger]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

It shouldn't be.

Heritage and Romney developed most of the key components, including:

• Individual and business mandates
• Guaranteed issue
• Medicaid expansion
• Income-based subsidies
• Exchanges

The ACA is obviously much larger in scope, and is more extensive. But much of its core is a conservative idea. You will eventually need health insurance, and we don't want anyone freeloading, so we make people pay -- just like we do car insurance. (Romney called this the "personal responsibility principle.") We set up exchanges, to put insurers into direct competition with one another, and make it easy for consumers.

Writing a study isn't authoring a bill. There's a difference. The Heritage Foundation authored no bill. The Democrats wrote and bribes into pasing, ObamaCare.

It'll be significantly better than kicking 20+ million people off of their health insurance.

Inaccurate. Returning choice isn't the same as 'kicking people off'.
Kicking people off the healthcare choices they made and wanted was a trade mark of ObamaCare.

 

[iguanaman]

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Totally agree, tell that to your leftist friends here. If the majority of Americans liked it why did Obama lose the election? What other results mattered?

We know now that Hillary's loss in 2016 is at least partly due to Russian interference but it is difficult to say when the margin of Trump victory was only a total of 86,000 votes in 4 States. Social media bots spreading "fake news" on social media could have swung those few votes easily and we can't even guess how many stayed home because of them. Only 37% of Americans now approve of Trump and that is probably close to his numbers during the election too. I don't see that improving anytime soon which will severely hamper his ability to advance his agenda on anything. Trump is a bust and a 1 term mistake at best. It will be a minor miracle if we can stay out of recession until 2020 too.
The defeat of Ryan's replacement likely has to do with Trump's promise of "covering all" at less cost when Trumpcare did neither.

 

[Gina]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

It was designed to fail. There's no way it can be fixed.

Ummm, no. It wasn't. On the face of it, Democrats would not purposely design it to fail.

 

[Gina]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Just listened to Trump, people should have waited to see Phases 2 and 3. Then why did they not wait and bundle it???
And then to say, who new health care could be so complicated?? Well yeah it is.
Then states OCare is imploding, many will suffer, and refuses to work with Dems to fix it.
Did he not promise all would be covered. Well we know full well, a substantial number of Repubs are not in favor of that.

That one takes the cake for me. Everyone on the planet knows healthcare is difficult and complicated, hence the democrats took until 2010 to pass it.

He did promise all would be covered. This bill would not have accomplished that. It wasn't a healthcare bill. It was a tax cut bill with offsets from healthcare spending. Because yes, the GOP doesn't believe in healthcare.

 

[disneydude]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

This has been a special report.....we now return you to our regularly scheduled treason investigation........

 

[disneydude]

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

It was designed to fail. There's no way it can be fixed.

Sure it can. If Republicans and the Bluedogs would be willing to embrace a public option, we can eliminate the Republican/Heritage foundation mandate idea that is the part of the ACA that most Americans don't like.