Nielson Admts Russians Meddled

[Master PO]

It is ridiculous to talk about insurrection and your post might be the first time I've seen the word applied to situations and circumstances some others call treason. And to players in the WH some folk call traitors and agents of Putin, KGB, FSA, GRU among other clandestine agencies that comprise the nefarious Russian state and government. You have also missed Geo. Washington, the Founders, the military officer oath, the Constitution and the three coequal and power balanced branches of the government. And what the Founders led by Washington handed down to us should a tyrant ever gain authority and power in the WH. Which brings us to the present, with the integrity of the election in November holding it all in the balance.

let me play it back for you, from you own posting, which sounds like some sort of insurrection to me.

If the 2018 election in November turns out to resemble in any way the 2016 election, the Putin-Trump-Fanboyz will likely precipitate a crisis that will involve a swift and sudden action of state to arrest the destruction of our democracy and to restore the national sovereignty first and the national integrity foremost.

 

[Master PO]

Not to worry. Trump will come to an end and it will be sooner than you think. He's as guilty as sin.

well i do not this, when trump was elected there were several people here saying " HE will be gone in 6 months"

 

[Slavister]

well student, you look at many stories accross the news and not just 1, because if you really want to know the information's there

Oh, so now you admit that at the end much of what you rely on is what you read and hear about a candidate! Who would have guessed. Thanks for admitting the obvious.

So, in the end, with Russians successfully disseminating propaganda about Trump, would it be a surprise that people, even those doing their homework, would change their votes accordingly... ? People heard from all these seemingly "different" sources, which really were just Russians creating all kinds of fake news.

So, in the end, we circle back to the origin of your baseless argument, which is that StuPedaso was actually correct when s/he said.

That’s not the same as “no votes were influenced” by Russian meddling.

I have no idea why you tried to argue with that.

 

[Tangmo]

let me play it back for you, from you own posting, which sounds like some sort of insurrection to me.

I went through insurrection and a coup d'etat two times in Thailand, in 2006 and in 2014-15. Each time the insurrection led to a coup. Each is different and distinct from the other. Insurrection is a rebellion by citizens or subjects against the government. A coup is commonly known as a military mutiny against the government and it is a sudden, swift and closed to the public action.

I have stated regardless not to expect either in the USA. I have said that, rather, civilian and military leadership and commanders to include leaders of the three branches of the government and prominent figures of the public sphere, business and industry, corporate America, academia and other elites would approach Trump to exit. Nixon was approached in a smaller scale presentation by senior party leaders to advise him to leave because he no longer had support in the Congress. If Trump might choose to go the die hard route so to speak then so be it.

You yourself are so out there on the margin you can't recognize this or follow the line of thought and action which is mainstream.

 

[Master PO]

Oh, so now you admit that at the end much of what you rely on is what you read and hear about a candidate! Who would have guessed. Thanks for admitting the obvious.

So, in the end, with Russians successfully disseminating propaganda about Trump, would it be a surprise that people, even those doing their homework, would change their votes accordingly... ? People heard from all these seemingly "different" sources, which really were just Russians creating all kinds of fake news.

So, in the end, we circle back to the origin of your baseless argument, which is that StuPedaso was actually correct when s/he said.



I have no idea why you tried to argue with that.

i just told you, you have to gather info, but to do it across the board you cannot go from 1 source, i thought you would obviously understand that

 

[Master PO]

I went through insurrection and a coup d'etat two times in Thailand, in 2006 and in 2014-15. Each time the insurrection led to a coup. Each is different and distinct from the other. Insurrection is a rebellion by citizens or subjects against the government. A coup is commonly known as a military mutiny against the government and it is a sudden, swift and closed to the public action.

I have stated regardless not to expect either in the USA. I have said that, rather, civilian and military leadership and commanders to include leaders of the three branches of the government and prominent figures of the public sphere, business and industry, corporate America, academia and other elites would approach Trump to exit. Nixon was approached in a smaller scale presentation by senior party leaders to advise him to leave because he no longer had support in the Congress. If Trump might choose to go the die hard route so to speak then so be it.

You yourself are so out there on the margin you can't recognize this or follow the line of thought and action which is mainstream.

:doh



Originally Posted by Tangmo View Post
If the 2018 election in November turns out to resemble in any way the 2016 election, the Putin-Trump-Fanboyz will likely precipitate a crisis that will involve a swift and sudden action of state to arrest the destruction of our democracy and to restore the national sovereignty first and the national integrity foremost.

 

[Slavister]

One of us is speculating. You.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/comey-republicans-hacked-russia/index.html

I am sorry but you are mostly wrong. You are right that there appears to be less evidence that Russians were successful at breaking into RNC specifically. However,

(1) we still don't know - it's not like Russians wanted publish that part of their attack. How far they got in stealing information is not an easy thing to KNOW for sure

(2) it IS known that they got into MANY Republican targets, from many individual Republican compaigns to simply all kinds of high-level Republicans that were not even campaigning.


Some examples:

In June, DCLeaks.com, believed by U.S intelligence to be linked to the Russian government, released hacked emails dating from 2015 of some Republican targets, including staffers for the campaigns of John McCain and Lindsey Graham -- both Putin critics -- and staffers from state parties.
...
One prominent Republican, former Bush administration Secretary of State Colin Powell, had his personal emails hacked and released last month via DCLeaks.com
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In 2015, at least one Trump campaign staff member’s email account was infected with malware and then sent malicious emails to colleagues, according to the advisor, who said that and other concerns prompted the campaign to upgrade its security.
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Another senior Republican official confirmed that they were aware of widespread targeting of GOP operatives in the current campaign, both at the campaigns and on Capitol Hill.
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Last month, House Homeland Committee Chairman Mike McCaul (R.-Texas) told CNN that the Republican National Committee had been hacked. Spicer, the RNC spokesman, was quick to tweet that there had been no known breach “of @gop networks" and McCaul issued a quick retraction.

Here is interesting observation:

The website DC Leaks published about 200 emails related to Republican Party business

Finally, here is a good example of why it's hard to know what they really have

“It’s entirely possible that they did it and we just never knew,” said one GOP veteran who worked on a Republican presidential primary campaign. “And I remember many times where the campaign server was running slowly and we’d just switch to Gmail or G-chat. Maybe it was naïve on my part but I never attributed it to hacking.”

 

[Fledermaus]

I am sorry but you are mostly wrong. You are right that there appears to be less evidence that Russians were successful at breaking into RNC specifically. However,

(1) we still don't know - it's not like Russians wanted publish that part of their attack. How far they got in stealing information is not an easy thing to KNOW for sure

(2) it IS known that they got into MANY Republican targets, from many individual Republican compaigns to simply all kinds of high-level Republicans that were not even campaigning.

Citation?

Or just random CLAIMING?

 

[Fledermaus]

Groundhog Day hit and run snipe posts are common over there when it comes to the untouchable Putin-Trump & Fanboyz. I reiterate that if you boyz over there had at least a critique of Putin or Trump or some criticism of Putin-Trump you all might not appear so unrelenting in your campaign to make the USA more like Putin's Russia. Trump is meanwhile doing nothing to protect the United States and its people from the Russian attackers who are fixed on our elections to create and force the great divide that split open at the 2016 election and campaign.

So if the 2018 election becomes another Putin-Trump & Fanboyz disaster then our history of free and fair elections will be ended. As will our democracy. And Constitution. A restoration of it will be needed and it will occur -- efficiently and effectively at the top only. To say insurrection misses this point entirely. It's both the 800 pound gorilla and the elephant in the room. To paraphrase a famous actor, if you want a guarantee buy a toaster but after that this post and its statement will be the next best thing to invest in.

Its all Tangmobabble to me....

 

[Irwin Corey]

Oh, so now you admit that at the end much of what you rely on is what you read and hear about a candidate! Who would have guessed. Thanks for admitting the obvious.

So, in the end, with Russians successfully disseminating propaganda about Trump, would it be a surprise that people, even those doing their homework, would change their votes accordingly... ? People heard from all these seemingly "different" sources, which really were just Russians creating all kinds of fake news.

So, in the end, we circle back to the origin of your baseless argument, which is that StuPedaso was actually correct when s/he said.



I have no idea why you tried to argue with that.

I have no idea why you think Russia meddling had no influence on the election.

 

[Tangmo]

:doh



Originally Posted by Tangmo View Post
If the 2018 election in November turns out to resemble in any way the 2016 election, the Putin-Trump-Fanboyz will likely precipitate a crisis that will involve a swift and sudden action of state to arrest the destruction of our democracy and to restore the national sovereignty first and the national integrity foremost.

I have put meat on those bones at this thread and at other threads. That is, I have gone on record for some time now that there won't be a coup in the USA and why. So kindly see my post above.

The consequence is that the Groundhog Day posts that hit and run are valueless not to mention worthless.

 

[Fledermaus]

I have put meat on those bones at this thread and at other threads. That is, I have gone on record for some time now that there won't be a coup in the USA and why. So kindly see my post above.

The consequence is that the Groundhog Day posts that hit and run are valueless not to mention worthless.

More babble.

 

[iguanaman]

well i do not this, when trump was elected there were several people here saying " HE will be gone in 6 months"

Our justice system may not be the fastest but it is the best in the world. I have total faith in it. Patience grasshopper.

 

[Master PO]

Our justice system may not be the fastest but it is the best in the world. I have total faith in it. Patience grasshopper.

OK,...by the way i am Master Po, grasshopper is my student

 

[Slavister]

CLUE: Unless you have proof, 'in all likelihood' doesn't cut it when telling another they are wrong.

CLUE: Read my post again. What I effectively said is that the poster does not know / cannot know for sure whether Russians were unsuccessful in hacking Republicans. So, yes, 'in all likelihood' is perfectly fine in that context.

 

[Slavister]

I have no idea why you think Russia meddling had no influence on the election.

I am guessing they did and in fact I am guessing they did more directly than most people want to think possible. I was agreeing with you and disagreeing with the poster I replied to...

 

[WarmPotato]

New York Times interview with her -
When Alexander asked if Russians had interfered in favor of Donald Trump, Nielsen responded, “I haven’t seen any evidence that the attempts to interfere in our election infrastructure was to favor a particular political party. I think what we’ve seen on the foreign influence side is they were attempting to intervene and cause chaos on both sides.”

So in her eyes they tried and failed to meddle, but good job trying to spin that as though she thinks they succeeded

 

[holbritter]

CLUE: Read my post again. What I effectively said is that the poster does not know / cannot know for sure whether Russians were unsuccessful in hacking Republicans. So, yes, 'in all likelihood' is perfectly fine in that context.

That makes no sense.